Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Mon Dieu, Madame Joly a zipperhead?

She likes onesies..

 

[Cloud Cover]

So who does the Infantry get?

Eco minister?

Too much risk of a grease fire in the LAV.

 

[daftandbarmy]

So who does the Infantry get?

Eco minister?

The Infantry will get 'the usual'

 

[OldSolduer]

Too much risk of a grease fire in the LAV.

Who then - and can she be hot? Sorta?

 

[cavalryman]

Who then - and can she be hot? Sorta?

Chrystia Freeland enters the chat

 

[Cloud Cover]

Who then - and can she be hot? Sorta?

No, we need to keep you guys angry, repulsed and a little nauseous so you don’t eat all of the grub. I wonder who that could be…

 

[daftandbarmy]

No, we need to keep you guys angry, repulsed and a little nauseous so you don’t eat all of the grub. I wonder who that could be…

 

[KevinB]

Let’s all be very clear eyed about all of this. The current government and every other follow on government will lie, cheat, obscure, fudge and frig around the books but they will not go past 2% and I doubt they will actually even get that far.

And they will get away with it even with Trump and he will let them. They’ll figure out a way to give him some ego boosting win on another matter and lie to him about defence.

Edit: unless he hands the file to Vance, in which case even Melanie Joly will be reporting to the Armour School.

Canada need to understand they are in receive mode only at this point.

Trump47 has the House and Senate. So you are going to get assfucked hard unless you open your purse.

He’s going to kick you out of NORAD unless you get well above 2%. We don’t need Canada in NORAD anymore as we can use OTHR and other means to do what Canada was needed for before, and we can use Canada as the impact area for incoming.

Then your little economy is going to get destroyed, partial from American business that will be strongly motivated to leave Canada, and through tariffs.

Then we will take your water.

 

[Kirkhill]

Canada need to understand they are in receive mode only at this point.

Trump47 has the House and Senate. So you are going to get assfucked hard unless you open your purse.

He’s going to kick you out of NORAD unless you get well above 2%. We don’t need Canada in NORAD anymore as we can use OTHR and other means to do what Canada was needed for before, and we can use Canada as the impact area for incoming.

Then your little economy is going to get destroyed, partial from American business that will be strongly motivated to leave Canada, and through tariffs.

Then we will take your water.

And thus the need for autonomy.

Not just autonomous toys but also an autonomous government.

 

[KevinB]

And thus the need for autonomy.

Not just autonomous toys but also an autonomous government.

Not sure I am following you there.

You are less than a 10th of the population, and significantly less than a 10th in many more areas - except land and fresh water.

You cannot be autonomous, and your parents just got sick and tired of paying your rent.

 

[Good2Golf]

We have no desire or political will to do that. That is in part because we have been favouring butter over guns for half a century; in spite of the increasing cost of guns due to regular and defence industry inflation.

CPC or LPC, we're never spending that kind of dough unless the butter is threatened. I imagine tariffs will be more of a motivator than common sense....

Canadians have for half a century+ taken half of the Pearson legacy as the National gospel…being the peace broker of the developed world. Nobel award to Pearson notwithstanding, Canadians all too easily forget, or if younger, just don’t know/appreciate that Pearson also worked with Uncle Sam to bring nuclear weapons onto Canadian soil at the same time as the peacekeeper (not maker, btw) legacy was storming, forming and norming.

@rmc_wannabe, speaking of ‘butter’…this is where Canada will get its self-important non-competitive industrial ass handed to it…butter…and milk and eggs and cheese and softwood… USMC Trade 2 will make USMC Trade 1 look like a walk in the park.

Canada need to understand they are in receive mode only at this point.

Trump47 has the House and Senate. So you are going to get assfucked hard unless you open your purse.

He’s going to kick you out of NORAD unless you get well above 2%. We don’t need Canada in NORAD anymore as we can use OTHR and other means to do what Canada was needed for before, and we can use Canada as the impact area for incoming.

Then your little economy is going to get destroyed, partial from American business that will be strongly motivated to leave Canada, and through tariffs.

Then we will take your water.

Yep, pretty much. The water may be up for grabs though…doesn’t Nestle already control a chunk of it?

And thus the need for autonomy.

Not just autonomous toys but also an autonomous government.

You aren’t serious, are you? Fortress Canada?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Canada need to understand they are in receive mode only at this point.

Trump47 has the House and Senate. So you are going to get assfucked hard unless you open your purse.

He’s going to kick you out of NORAD unless you get well above 2%. We don’t need Canada in NORAD anymore as we can use OTHR and other means to do what Canada was needed for before, and we can use Canada as the impact area for incoming.

Then your little economy is going to get destroyed, partial from American business that will be strongly motivated to leave Canada, and through tariffs.

Then we will take your water.

More than 77% of Canadian exports go the the US... talk about a lack of diversification leading to massive exposure to risk.

Who was in charge of building that strategic plan I wonder?

Trump's victory sparks concerns over ripple effect on Canadian economy​

https://army.ca/forums/javascript:;
Donald Trump's impending return to the White House has cast a spotlight on Canada-U.S. economic ties amid worries that the president-elect's protectionist stance could complicate the vast levels of trade between the two countries.

Some Canadian business leaders have expressed uneasiness over Trump's promise to introduce a universal 10 per cent tariff on all American imports.

A Canadian Chamber of Commerce report released last month suggested those tariffs would shrink the Canadian economy, resulting in around $30 billion per year in economic costs.

Trump's victory sparks concerns over ripple effect on Canadian economy

Donald Trump's impending return to the White House has raised worries that he could complicate the Canada-U.S. trade relationships.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Kirkhill]

Not sure I am following you there.

You are less than a 10th of the population, and significantly less than a 10th in many more areas - except land and fresh water.

You cannot be autonomous, and your parents just got sick and tired of paying your rent.

Fine. Buy me out and I will retire to the Isle of Man.

 

[Kirkhill]

Canadians have for half a century+ taken half of the Pearson legacy as the National gospel…being the peace broker of the developed world. Nobel award to Pearson notwithstanding, Canadians all too easily forget, or if younger, just don’t know/appreciate that Pearson also worked with Uncle Sam to bring nuclear weapons onto Canadian soil at the same time as the peacekeeper (not maker, btw) legacy was storming, forming and norming.

@rmc_wannabe, speaking of ‘butter’…this is where Canada will get its self-important non-competitive industrial ass handed to it…butter…and milk and eggs and cheese and softwood… USMC Trade 2 will make USMC Trade 1 look like a walk in the park.



Yep, pretty much. The water may be up for grabs though…doesn’t Nestle already control a chunk of it?



You aren’t serious, are you? Fortress Canada?
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I know it is late in the game now. But the lack of any sense of autonomy got us here. Which is too bad because my sense is that we have just started to reach that stage in history and technology where it IS possible to defend Canada.

And not Fortress Canada. But Good Neighbour Canada.

 

[Kirkhill]

More than 77% of Canadian exports go the the US... talk about a lack of diversification leading to massive exposure to risk.

Who was in charge of building that strategic plan I wonder?

Trump's victory sparks concerns over ripple effect on Canadian economy​

https://army.ca/forums/javascript:;
Donald Trump's impending return to the White House has cast a spotlight on Canada-U.S. economic ties amid worries that the president-elect's protectionist stance could complicate the vast levels of trade between the two countries.

Some Canadian business leaders have expressed uneasiness over Trump's promise to introduce a universal 10 per cent tariff on all American imports.

A Canadian Chamber of Commerce report released last month suggested those tariffs would shrink the Canadian economy, resulting in around $30 billion per year in economic costs.

Trump's victory sparks concerns over ripple effect on Canadian economy

Donald Trump's impending return to the White House has raised worries that he could complicate the Canada-U.S. trade relationships.

www.ctvnews.ca

Is Trump paying off the BC Port workers?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Is Trump paying off the BC Port workers?

I doubt it - with the NDP in power $250,000 per year for supervisors just isn't a big enough salary for those poor people down there on the (largely already automated) container terminal docks....

B.C. port shutdown enters third day, no end in sight

The BCMEA says there has been no engagement with ILWU or federal mediators since the port lockout started on Monday.

vancouver.citynews.ca

 

[calculus]

Canada need to understand they are in receive mode only at this point.

Trump47 has the House and Senate. So you are going to get assfucked hard unless you open your purse.

He’s going to kick you out of NORAD unless you get well above 2%. We don’t need Canada in NORAD anymore as we can use OTHR and other means to do what Canada was needed for before, and we can use Canada as the impact area for incoming.

Then your little economy is going to get destroyed, partial from American business that will be strongly motivated to leave Canada, and through tariffs.

Then we will take your water.

That's awesome. Make an enemy of that big friendly country to the North. Can't argue with that kind of logic. I'm totally in favour of spending more on defence, but Jesus. That kind of rhetoric will not make it easier to sell this to the general public, who, by all accounts, are actually coming around to the idea of increased defence spending.

 

[George Wallace]

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I think this sums up the current situation in Canada.

I've come to the conclusion that Justin rehearses his speeches overnight, not really paying attention to the the meaning of the words, and then spews them out, still not knowing what they mean. An actor on a stage. How many times now has he said one thing and done the exact opposite. As for accepting responsibility for his words and/or actions; he doesn't. Any failure, is someone else's fault.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Canada need to understand they are in receive mode only at this point.

Trump47 has the House and Senate. So you are going to get assfucked hard unless you open your purse.

He’s going to kick you out of NORAD unless you get well above 2%. We don’t need Canada in NORAD anymore as we can use OTHR and other means to do what Canada was needed for before, and we can use Canada as the impact area for incoming.

Then your little economy is going to get destroyed, partial from American business that will be strongly motivated to leave Canada, and through tariffs.

Then we will take your water.

Kevin you know damned well they aren’t going to spend 2%, and Canada still isn’t going to get kicked out of NORAD ( it will be dissolved and Canada will become target practice and Ottawa still won’t care and certainly won’t tell the truth or act earnestly about it.)

 

[Kirkhill]

I doubt it - with the NDP in power $250,000 per year for supervisors just isn't a big enough salary for those poor people down there on the (largely already automated) container terminal docks....

B.C. port shutdown enters third day, no end in sight

The BCMEA says there has been no engagement with ILWU or federal mediators since the port lockout started on Monday.

vancouver.citynews.ca

One engineer drawing 7 ploughs with one steam tractor.
One ploughman putting 6 ploughmen out of work.

There is a photo that I can't locate just now of a similar, but larger rig, with each plough (or bottom) manned by its own ploughman.
Unionized farm labour?

Of course now there is no need for either the plowman or the engineer. The farmer can drive the rig herself.


And next year she won't have to drive at all

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/farmers-turn-automation-address-labour-shortage-1.7323405

'I don't need to be in the tractor'​

Sarauer's 1,450 hectare farm in Saskatchewan is normally a two-person operation: him and his dad. But the harvest season requires extra help from his uncles.

Sarauer is getting a new tractor that is supposed to be autonomous ready and hopes to be able to use it within the next five years. The more high-tech the farm gets, the easier it'll be to run it himself.

Ken Sarauer turns his combine around at the end of a row of barley during the fall harvest. To his right are a series of screens that show real-time data on the quality of his crops, including moisture levels. (Alexandre Silberman/CBC)
There are some drawbacks to automation for family farms.

The technology can come with steep costs: up to $100,000 for self-driving equipment after subscription costs for software. Unlike large farms, which could test out one autonomous tractor in a fleet, small operations are forced to go all in.

Some types of autonomous tech, like the SWAT CAM, are more reasonable in price. It costs $3,500 for the device and then $0.50 per acre (0.4 hectares), with farmers agreeing to a long-term contract for the software.

Sarauer's current combine is equipped with several types of autonomous technology, but it still requires him to occasionally take the wheel or adjust the settings if something goes wrong. (Alexandre Silberman/CBC)
Still, Sarauer said he's a "big fan" of automation and willing to adapt where it makes his job easier.

"The problem is 90 per cent of the time, I don't need to be in the tractor. I could be out doing something else," he said. "My time is better spent marketing and doing the books."

....

The family business ... doesn't have to worry about unions, or inertia. No doubt some will fail before many succeed.