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Haitian leaders must all agree before Canada would lead a potential military intervention, Trudeau says

U.S. has suggested Canada could lead a multinational force in Haiti

Dylan Robertson · The Canadian Press · Posted: Nov 20, 2022 1:27 PM ET

A potential Canadian military intervention in Haiti can't happen unless all political parties in the troubled nation agree to it, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Sunday.

Speaking from Tunisia on the final day of the two-day Francophonie summit, Trudeau announced $16.5 million to help stabilize Haiti, where gangs are strangling access to fuel and critical supplies amid a worsening cholera outbreak.

About half the money is going toward humanitarian aid, and some of the rest is intended to help weed out corruption and prosecute gender-based violence.

But Haiti's government has asked for an international military intervention to combat gangs who have strangled access to fuel and critical supplies in the middle of the outbreak.

The United States wants Canada to lead any military intervention.

Trudeau said Sunday that Canada is working with CARICOM, the organization of Caribbean governments, along with "various actors in Haiti from all different political parties" to get a consensus on how the international community can help.

"It is not enough for Haiti's government to ask for it," he said. "There needs to be a consensus across political parties in Haiti before we can move forward on more significant steps."

He did not rule out eventually establishing a Canadian military mission on the ground in Haiti.

"Canada is very open to playing an important role, but we must have a Haitian consensus," Trudeau said in French.

New sanctions on prominent former officials
A Global Affairs Canada assessment team sent to Haiti to establish some understanding of what is happening and what could help has already returned and provided a report at meetings Trudeau said he attended.

He said the response is complicated because many "political elites" and "oligarchs" in Haiti have used the country's humanitarian crises "to enrich themselves on the backs of the Haitian people."

"So that is why our approach now is not about doing what one political party or the government wants," Trudeau said. "It's calling for a level of consensus and coherence from all actors in Haiti to call for solutions that we can actually get behind and lead on as an international community."

On Saturday Canada expanded its economic sanctions freezing the Canadian assets of Haitian political elites to now include former president Michel Martelly and former prime ministers Laurent Lamothe and Jean-Henry Ceant.

Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Joly accused the trio of helping gangs undermine Haiti's current government and called on international partners to follow Canada's lead.

"Our goal is to make sure that these people that are profiting from the violence, that are part of a corrupted system, are facing accountability," she said.

Haitian Foreign Affairs Minister Jean Victor Geneus said the new sanctions put real consequences on those causing a "nightmare" in his country.

"These sanctions will have a dissuasive impact," he said in French, while seated between Trudeau and Joly.

Geneus said gangs are raping women and girls, preventing children from attending school and not letting sick people through roadblocks when they seek medical treatment. That means refugees are leaving for neighbouring islands.

"If the necessary conditions for safety are not re-established in a fast and urgent manner, a humanitarian catastrophe is possible in Haiti," he said in French.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-haiti-intervention-sanctions-1.6658254
 
State building may actually work in Haiti as the key to the situation is developing an actual middle class. It certainly won't be easy though, their natural distrust of the middle class goes back all the way to the days of Dessalines who despised the "mulâtres".
It won't work there, for the same reason it didn't work in Afghanistan. The voting public doesn't have the interest or the stomach for the job.

The only way to fix a place like that is the imposition of the rule of law for generations, followed by a transition local institutions that have been built up over those generations.
 
It won't work there, for the same reason it didn't work in Afghanistan. The voting public doesn't have the interest or the stomach for the job.

The only way to fix a place like that is the imposition of the rule of law for generations, followed by a transition local institutions that have been built up over those generations.
If it's a German style occupation, so be it. It's in North America's best interest that our local failed state doesn't remain as such. It'll be expensive but so are asylum claims and associated medical, social assistance and housing costs, Haitian gangs spreading to the continent and the DR, etc etc. Occupy it, tear it down and start fresh.
 
If it's a German style occupation, so be it. It's in North America's best interest that our local failed state doesn't remain as such. It'll be expensive but so are asylum claims and associated medical, social assistance and housing costs, Haitian gangs spreading to the continent and the DR, etc etc. Occupy it, tear it down and start fresh.
So a Grenada style invasion followed by a couple of hundred Bradleys patrolling every street with shoot to kill as orders of the day. There isn't a western government anywhere that would undertake that and I cannot visualise anything less as being effective
 
It won't work there, for the same reason it didn't work in Afghanistan. The voting public doesn't have the interest or the stomach for the job.

The only way to fix a place like that is the imposition of the rule of law for generations, followed by a transition local institutions that have been built up over those generations.

11 million people.

Over half a million guns.

No way to reliably identify the 'enemy'.

My guess is that any attempt to 'impose' the rule of law on that would make a conflict like Northern Ireland look like a kindergarten scrap ;)

 
11 million people.

Over half a million guns.

No way to reliably identify the 'enemy'.

My guess is that any attempt to 'impose' the rule of law on that would make a conflict like Northern Ireland look like a kindergarten scrap ;)

It would make the the fall of Carthage look like a bar fight, but it would get results.
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Sometimes you just have to stand back and let the people fight.

Perhaps this is a time for that.
for how long? Papa Doc has been dead for 50 years and Haiti has been a basket case ever since. So when does the west (supposedly the more humane group) step in
 
That creates a refugee crisis which makes it our business. People don’t become refugees if their country is stable.
 
Why do we have to step in ?

Let them fight it out and do business with the winner.

No one would emerge the winner, of course ...


Haiti's collapse poses serious threats to global trade, regional security, and humanitarian conditions in the Caribbean

The current situation in Haiti has been overlooked by many, a mistake given that the crisis is likely to continue to deteriorate with vast implications for international trade and global supply chains. Indeed, the crisis holds the potential to spiral the western hemisphere into disorder.

 
Then they flood here as refugees, and the same people who piss and moan about us minding our own business, piss and moan about the refugees coming in.

It’s a catch 22.
 
Then they flood here as refugees, and the same people who piss and moan about us minding our own business, piss and moan about the refugees coming in.

It’s a catch 22.
The refugees need to know they are welcome but at the same time sternly warned any Fuck Around will be met with Find Out.
 
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We have to do something because it's destabilizing our backyard and will cost us more grief if the collective North American community does nothing. Unfortunately I think the leadership must naturally fall to Canada on this one, in part due to our large Haitian diaspora and in part being the chief Francophone country of the continent. There are natural bridges there that can be exploited. Troops can't solve this though, beyond providing some stabilization. This has to be an economics first approach, developing industry and opportunity so people don't have to join gangs.
 
The refugees need to know they are welcome but at the same time sternly warned any Fuck Around will be met with Find Out.
Or we can help them create a stable society (don’t ask how; I’m not that smart) and they won’t become refugees washing up on our shores in the first place.
 
I'll take the flak and say the uncomfortable.

We don't need any immigrants period. Process the ones that have applied legally, but close off applications. Make a concerted effort to find and deport all so called students who have overstayed their visas. Find and deport every person who came here illegally, through places like Roxham Road. The US will have to swallow some pride and forget bullying about any we return there as the last safe country. They can grab and deport them as we hand them over. We need to make things almost intolerable for those here illegally. A ban on coming here without a visa. No welfare, no health care, no shelter. We have to get back to where things were by placing Canadians first. Once we are, then we can start allowing legal immigration, with stringent rules this time. If you wish to come here, you need to have something to offer Canada. We have enough cab drivers and Amazon delivery people. We have to stop taking in people just because they have problems in their own country. Why are we taking in people from Gaza when not a single country in the ME will accept them? Because they know the trouble that will eventually raise its head.
Stop kowtowing to the UN and its children, like the UNHCR, who only issue progressive statements and programs, while taking billions in government donations and offering nothing except a white tent and a bag of rice in return. We can't fix anything while running around trying to innefficiently block the the myriad of holes in the dike. We need to get back down to a reasonable, manageable status before we fix things. If you are not contributing to Canada, you don't need to be here.

Now, I'm sure there is flaws in my plan and some may even take umbrage. Feel free to offer your own solutions for those that come here, illegally, with two wives and eight kids and then just sit back and collect the largesse of our welfare system, supplied by our taxes, without even learning one of the two official languages, getting a job or contributing to the society that is supporting them in their now comfortable lives while Canadians need to buy blue tarps and become new residents of the local trudeauvilles. While our newcomers get 4 star hotels, food, medical and clothing for free.

This just a man on the street rant and as such, likely has all the regular flaws, mistakes and misunderstanding, that these rants have.
 
We don't need any immigrants period.

I think you meant refugees, but overall yes.

Now, I'm sure there is flaws in my plan and some may even take umbrage. Feel free to offer your own solutions for those that come here, illegally, with two wives and eight kids and then just sit back and collect the largesse of our welfare system, supplied by our taxes, without even learning one of the two official languages, getting a job or contributing to the society that is supporting them in their now comfortable lives while Canadians need to buy blue tarps and become new residents of the local trudeauvilles. While our newcomers get 4 star hotels, food, medical and clothing for free.

Whatcha talking about...... /s


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We have to do something because it's destabilizing our backyard and will cost us more grief if the collective North American community does nothing. Unfortunately I think the leadership must naturally fall to Canada on this one, in part due to our large Haitian diaspora and in part being the chief Francophone country of the continent. There are natural bridges there that can be exploited. Troops can't solve this though, beyond providing some stabilization. This has to be an economics first approach, developing industry and opportunity so people don't have to join gangs.
in theory, I agree but as far as providing military stability we have nothing to give and with the circus going on in OW, who would entrust us with heading up a government growing exercise
 
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