2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux
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None of the MSM, including any you may like, has been on the up and up for years.
Just a friendly reminder that any such alleged irregularities were the subject of dozens of lawsuits by team Trump. They lost all of them. That’s the larger context of the sort of stuff Rasmussen has talked about. While there are ongoing ‘hearings’ and sundry partisan tantrums, there’s no live controversy before any of the courts. They might as well report on public hearings on the conduct of the 2020 Stanley Cup.
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Absolutely.
But probably not in the way you’re suggesting.
Virginia officials find misreported 2020 election votes added to Trump’s total
Biden received 1,648 fewer votes than he should have and Trump was awarded 2,327 too many, county director of elections says
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Much more has now been learned, I don't think this issue is going to be buried for good just yet.
While there will no doubt be similar tantrums in a few months, the courts are where this gets resolved. Nothing remotely approaching a legitimate challenge of the election results has materialized. The only ongoing court proceedings of any significance regarding electoral fraud is the prosecution of the Republican fraudulent electors. Several accused in the conspiracy have pled and flipped, and the first actual fraudulent elector herself just took a guilty plea.
By all means remain interested in allegations of election fraud. I am. But look at the facts and be honest about what it actually was and who was mostly doing it.
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To try and swerve this back somewhat connected to the thread at hand...
There are numerous avenues of electoral interference going on in the US and in Canada. We've seen it up here with the Chinese interference scandal. Of course we've all heard that it didn't affect the outcome... But we, as the general public, will not know just how much interference took place or to what degree. I don't think any country is going to publicly admit their sitting government is potentially not legitimate - there would be chaos. Even PP has been more quiet on that then I'd like to see.
Come on Brihard, didn't you watch the Narcos season where the cartel changed the outcome of the election by bribing and threatening the IT guy to mess with the algorithm of the electronic vote tabulator? If it happened in Netflix land it can happen here or the US too.
But more seriously, the only way I see to strengthen electoral integrity is to go exclusively to paper ballots cast by proven citizens that are hand counted on the day with multiple observers from all sides. Oddly in the US, one party specifically and a number of establishment types are totally against even proof of citizenship while keeping the border wide open for illegal entries in the millions now. Nothing good can come of that.
There are numerous avenues of electoral interference going on in the US and in Canada. We've seen it up here with the Chinese interference scandal. Of course we've all heard that it didn't affect the outcome... But we, as the general public, will not know just how much interference took place or to what degree. I don't think any country is going to publicly admit their sitting government is potentially not legitimate - there would be chaos. Even PP has been more quiet on that then I'd like to see.
Come on Brihard, didn't you watch the Narcos season where the cartel changed the outcome of the election by bribing and threatening the IT guy to mess with the algorithm of the electronic vote tabulator? If it happened in Netflix land it can happen here or the US too.
But more seriously, the only way I see to strengthen electoral integrity is to go exclusively to paper ballots cast by proven citizens that are hand counted on the day with multiple observers from all sides. Oddly in the US, one party specifically and a number of establishment types are totally against even proof of citizenship while keeping the border wide open for illegal entries in the millions now. Nothing good can come of that.
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God, I hope not.
My apologies, I lost track of which thread we were in. I thought I was replying in a US one or I’d not have gone on that tangent.
Sadly no, I’ve heard Narcos is good but have barely any time to watch shows anymore. Life’s too busy.
I’ve seen nothing to suggest our vote tabulation is actually at risk of compromise. All of our ballots are paper ballots, and though machine tabulated for speed and efficiency, they’re all physically available for manual review and recount. Our system works wel.
I share the general concern about foreign interference in our various democratic processes, it’s just not something I’m prepared or able to get into much discussion about. I do still intend to post a summary of our recent updates to criminal and other law around foreign interference, sorry.
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Until you get busloads of Chinese students coming from another riding to vote for a Red Chinese backed candidate.
Yup, one (or more) of the new FISOIA offences will cover that kind of meddling in candidate selection.
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The new rules will be interesting to see. They won't amount to anything though unless they come with hefty penalties including jail time and a willingness to prosecute them.
That particular carries carries a maximum of life, and is to be served consecutively to any other sentence for conviction on other charges arising out of the same events. It’s a no-bullshit charge for sure.
This comes into force in about a week and a half. My best guess is it’ll be the RCMP INSET units that would be investigating that. Admissible evidence will still be the biggest challenge.
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You know what they say, though, about some people and certain facts out there
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Poilievre questions government supporting local journalism
Federal Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre doesn't believe outlets that serve the nation’s “news deserts” deserve financial help to continue giving Canadians the important and accurate information that affects the areas they work and live.
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I have no idea why he would think that the media (aside from the town Crier) has been a thing longer than the printing press…
Is he trying to make a joke or be sarcastic? I can’t even tell.
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He's wrong about the general idea that freedom of expression has a long history. Only relatively recently have large numbers of people enjoyed the right without risking punishment up to and including death. Rhetoric aside, the actual time measurement doesn't matter.
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Prior to printing, media would travel town to town to verbally deliver the news. Or a written copy would be posted in the town square, for those that could read.Poilievre questions government supporting local journalism
Federal Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre doesn't believe outlets that serve the nation’s “news deserts” deserve financial help to continue giving Canadians the important and accurate information that affects the areas they work and live.
I have no idea why he would think that the media (aside from the town Crier) has been a thing longer than the printing press…
Is he trying to make a joke or be sarcastic? I can’t even tell.
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Agreed.
But why I focused on the time measurement (aside from the fact that it’s wrong) is that it’s hyperbolic. I’m going to assume that he doesn’t just randomly spout stuff like Trump and that his remarks are thought out. Maybe I’m incorrect there, but for the sake of argument let’s say it’s true.
If so, why would he say something so obviously fact-checkably wrong? And something so meme-ably wrong for a future LPC or other attack ad?
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