And the CF seems to be taking advantage pretty quickly ...Jarnhamar said:What a dumb decision. Transgendered soldiers are burried on the beaches in Normandy. I haven't seen a lot from our own government to make me proud to be Canadian lately but this move by the US does.
Jarnhamar said:What a dumb decision. Transgendered soldiers are burried on the beaches in Normandy. I haven't seen a lot from our own government to make me proud to be Canadian lately but this move by the US does.
Rifleman62 said:And how in the hell would you know that?
But the 2016 RAND study estimated that between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender service members are in the active duty military, while between 830 and 4,160 members are in reserves duty. RAND based its study on data from previous research, and estimated midrange figures of 2,450 transgender people in active duty and 1,510 in reserves. There are about 1.2 million active duty military servicemembers overall.
tomahawk6 said:The number of transgender people serve in the US military is thought to be small. Unfortunately the Obama administration let this genie out of the bottle by allowing gays to serve in the military. I am glad that Trump has taken this opportunity to reverse the social engineering conducted by the democrats.
RocketRichard said:'Unfortunately the Obama administration let this genie out of the bottle by allowing gays to serve in the military.'
These statements are still being made in 2017?
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UnsatHumphrey Bogart said:In America they are.
RocketRichard said:Unsat
Yes, but we are commenting on Trump's decision. And on a Canadian forum to boot eh? Pretty sure invading the U.S. for Trump's tweets is not an option...PuckChaser said:Not sure why anyone is surprised, the US still hasn't opened all MOS to women while Norway has an all-Female SOF unit. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/inside-world-s-first-all-female-special-forces-unit-norway-n746041
The rationale Trump is using is interesting, if everyone can get away from the emotion of the topic. Despite the small number of serving transgendered pers, how much does it cost in the US healthcare system for a single gender reassignment (not all of these troops are going to want the surgery)? Trump could have went to the "I don't like you because you're different" angle, but he went to the "We can't afford to pay for all the medical care required". It's like a drop in the bucket of a giant defense budget, but when Mattis is trying to streamline non-essential training to put more money/time into the warfighter, the link (however small) is there.
Unfortunately we don't get to tell another country how to think unless we're willing to invade it. We can't drop our societal values and beliefs on another place and make it work.
PuckChaser said:Not sure why anyone is surprised, the US still hasn't opened all MOS to women while Norway has an all-Female SOF unit. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/inside-world-s-first-all-female-special-forces-unit-norway-n746041
The rationale Trump is using is interesting, if everyone can get away from the emotion of the topic. Despite the small number of serving transgendered pers, how much does it cost in the US healthcare system for a single gender reassignment (not all of these troops are going to want the surgery)? Trump could have went to the "I don't like you because you're different" angle, but he went to the "We can't afford to pay for all the medical care required". It's like a drop in the bucket of a giant defense budget, but when Mattis is trying to streamline non-essential training to put more money/time into the warfighter, the link (however small) is there.
Unfortunately we don't get to tell another country how to think unless we're willing to invade it. We can't drop our societal values and beliefs on another place and make it work.
Humphrey Bogart said:Hence my point about us not being a serious military, vice the US military, which is a serious military.
PuckChaser said:Concur, didn't catch your post while I was posting.
That being said, society would be unable to accept a modern-day equivalent to the Spartan (Unsullied for those who didn't take Ancient Civ and watch Game of Thrones) army where the soldiers are focused from birth on combat with the weak culled instead of coddled. We've basically created civilians in uniforms for most trades, with no warrior spirit or will to fight.
PuckChaser said:Concur, didn't catch your post while I was posting.
That being said, society would be unable to accept a modern-day equivalent to the Spartan (Unsullied for those who didn't take Ancient Civ and watch Game of Thrones) army where the soldiers are focused from birth on combat with the weak culled instead of coddled. We've basically created civilians in uniforms for most trades, with no warrior spirit or will to fight.
gryphonv said:Yeah I would think in a real world war where will have to commit fully, not some focused event. No more endless patrols but active combat all around. Our force will be wholefully inadequate. I wouldnt be surprised if as much as half of our numbers would pull the plug.
recceguy said:Navel gazing, hacking on the US. We'd do well to mind our business and put our own house in order instead of second guessing POTUS decisions for the US military.
We can't even figure out how to buy boots for our troops. Op Honour and similar initiatives have become the military's raison d'être, instead of war fighting. We best clean a bunch of black off our kettle before we start calling their pot out.
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