Ontario Politics in 2018

[Fishbone Jones]

WYNNE PROROGUES THE ONTARIO LEGISLATURE
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/toronto/wynne-proroguing-1.3752965

<snip>Premier Kathleen Wynne has prorogued the Ontario legislature so her government can deliver a throne speech Monday,
pressing the reset button to outline a new list of priorities less than two years before the next election<snip>

 

[Remius]

Here is a more recent link. RG your link seem to be from the last time she did that.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/legislature-prorogation-throne-speech-wynne-1.4577894

 

[PPCLI Guy]

WYNNE PROROGUES THE ONTARIO LEGISLATURE
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/toronto/wynne-proroguing-1.3752965

<snip>Premier Kathleen Wynne has prorogued the Ontario legislature so her government can deliver a throne speech Monday,
pressing the reset button to outline a new list of priorities less than two years before the next election<snip>

Ummmm....the election is not in 2 years - it is on 7 June

 

[mariomike]

Ummmm....the election is not in 2 years - it is on 7 June

And if that doesn't go his way, he can campaign for the October 22, 2018 civic election.

Voters are in for an extra-large serving of Doug this year. 

 

[Loachman]

Here is a more recent link. RG your link seem to be from the last time she did that.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/legislature-prorogation-throne-speech-wynne-1.4577894

"We are at a critical moment in Ontario, when we know people are dealing with a lot of uncertainty in their lives,"

Like a lot of Liberal MPPs wondering what other employment they can find post-June.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Here is a more recent link. RG your link seem to be from the last time she did that.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/legislature-prorogation-throne-speech-wynne-1.4577894

Tanks! Remus You're right, sausage fingers on a phone with links crammed together.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Ummmm....the election is not in 2 years - it is on 7 June

Yes of course. As I acknowledged to Remius when he corrected me so politely, well before you did.

 

[pbi]

We've all had 'health class'. It's not sex education that people are complaining about, it's the curriculum most seem upset with. 

Of course there's always this. Ben Levine. Don't know what his input was, but the fact that he had input at all, to me is very disturbing. I don't think the liebrals will ever be able to get out from under his cloud, nor will their sex ed program.

Well... who is "most"? Are most Ontarians upset with it, or only certain groups? This is meant to be a legitimate question, not a rhetorical one.  Certain groups are always upset with various parts of any educational curriculum, because it teaches things they don't agree with. Since we have a public education system, what portion of the public gets to decide its content?

On the Dr Levine case, I agree fully that a criminal being associated with the formulation of public policy is disgraceful. Once they knew of his charges, he should have been instantly removed from any position of influence. No questions. 

But, that said, does the curriculum actually excuse or normalize paedophilia? I don't know, because I haven't read it myself. Maybe I should do that.

Did Dr Levine have any impact on content? Or are we at risk of some sort of binary argument like " If you support Wynne's Sex Ed you support paedophiles" Not from you, RecceGuy, but my concern is that sort of inflammatory speech gets deployed too easily once populism gets the blood boiling.

 

[Jed]

Well... who is "most"? Are most Ontarians upset with it, or only certain groups? This is meant to be a legitimate question, not a rhetorical one.  Certain groups are always upset with various parts of any educational curriculum, because it teaches things they don't agree with. Since we have a public education system, what portion of the public gets to decide its content?

On the Dr Levine case, I agree fully that a criminal being associated with the formulation of public policy is disgraceful. Once they knew of his charges, he should have been instantly removed from any position of influence. No questions. 

But, that said, does the curriculum actually excuse or normalize paedophilia? I don't know, because I haven't read it myself. Maybe I should do that.

Did Dr Levine have any impact on content? Or are we at risk of some sort of binary argument like " If you support Wynne's Sex Ed you support paedophiles" Not from you, RecceGuy, but my concern is that sort of inflammatory speech gets deployed too easily once populism gets the blood boiling.

,so why do you think populism gets it blood boiling,? Maybe people are waking up to ludicrous bumf being shoved down their throats by incompetent know it alls who keep telling them to sit down and shut up. First they do it politely, then mockingly, and finally with with physical force.

 

[mariomike]

Well... who is "most"? Are most Ontarians upset with it, or only certain groups? This is meant to be a legitimate question, not a rhetorical one.  Certain groups are always upset with various parts of any educational curriculum, because it teaches things they don't agree with. Since we have a public education system, what portion of the public gets to decide its content?

Not sure what percentage of the vote they represent, but they do look upset,
https://www.google.ca/search?q=%22sex+education%22+protest&cr=countryCA&dcr=0&tbs=ctr:countryCA&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN6pvp7_DZAhXh6YMKHXlfCxMQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=603

On the Dr Levine case, I agree fully that a criminal being associated with the formulation of public policy is disgraceful. Once they knew of his charges, he should have been instantly removed from any position of influence. No questions. 

Statement by Minister Sandals Regarding Dr. Ben Levin
https://news.ontario.ca/edu/en/2013/07/statement-by-minister-sandals-regarding-dr-ben-levin.html

 

[pbi]

,so why do you think populism gets it blood boiling,? Maybe people are waking up to ludicrous bumf being shoved down their throats by incompetent know it alls who keep telling them to sit down and shut up. First they do it politely, then mockingly, and finally with with physical force.

So, have you read the curriculum? Has anybody here? I haven't (I just found it on the Net today) Is it ludicrous bumf? And are the people who put it together "incompetent know it alls?"

Who is being told to sit down and shut up, by who? And what "physical force" is being threatened, against who?

This is what I meant: we start cranking things up without knowing what the facts are. That is  the basic failing of the type of populism based on exploiting ignorance, fear and anger.

 

[Rifleman62]

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/ontarios-lost-decade-2007-2016

Ontario’s Lost Decade: 2007–2016 — March 15, 2018

Summary

Between 2007 and 2016, Ontario was mired in a prolonged period of economic weakness during which it lost ground compared to the rest of the country on many important economic indicators.

This bulletin examines the extent of Ontario’s economic weakness during this decade by examining a range of economic metrics.
Ontario underperformed the rest of the country in each of the metrics examined in this study, specifically, real economic growth per person, private sector job growth, progress in real median household incomes, or debt accumulated per capita.

In fact, out of the 10 provinces, Ontario finishes near the bottom of the provincial pack (between 7th and 10th place) for each of the indicators examined.

Such a prolonged and severe period of economic weakness will have long-lasting implications for Ontario’s prosperity. As such, we characterize the period as a “lost decade” of economic growth for Ontario.

Ontario’s economy picked up in 2017, but it will take more than one year of solid growth for Ontario to make up for the lost ground of the preceding decade and reclaim its historical place as a leading economy within Canada.

 

[pbi]

Not sure what percentage of the vote they represent, but they do look upset,

The last thing I read (National Post, I think) was that about 12 percent of the Ontario population have considered pulling their kids out of school over it, and about 3% have actually done it. About 48% "disapprove" of the curriculum, but I don't know how strongly, or on what grounds. I also don't know how many have actually read it.

I found the document: about 80% of the content appears to be about health and fitness, with the sex education part being fairly small. I'm starting at the elementary school level to see what the content is, since that seems to be one of the concerns: that it teaches too much too early.

 

[Strike]

Here's a summary from the government web site...

https://www.ontario.ca/page/sex-education-ontario

 

[mariomike]

How Ontario's sex education program compares to other provinces.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/02/26/how-ontarios-new-sex-education-program-compares-to-other-provinces.html

( If one prefers multiple sources to choose from ),
https://www.google.ca/search?dcr=0&biw=1280&bih=603&ei=NdOrWuqqC4HPjwSJwYu4Aw&q=%22other+provinces%22++%22sex+education%22&oq=%22other+provinces%22++%22sex+education%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i8i30k1.15922.17213.0.18561.7.7.0.0.0.0.266.677.2j2j1.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..2.1.110....0.wAuZHp0w61E

 

[mariomike]

The last thing I read (National Post, I think) was that about 12 percent of the Ontario population have considered pulling their kids out of school over it, and about 3% have actually done it.

PBI, we know that Toronto is a city of neighbourhoods. Mileage may vary, depending on the neighbourhood.

eg: Half the school population in Thorncliffe Park - possibly "the largest elementary school in North America" * - actually was pulled out in protest.

*
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:J57zuogZZu8J:www.thorncliffe.org/about-thorncliffe/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

 

[Journeyman]

That is the basic failing of the type of populism based on exploiting ignorance, fear, and anger.

Facts?  We don't need no stinkin' facts.  ~sneer ~

  :sarcasm:


Edit: while it shouldn't be necessary, I figured I would add the "Sarcasm" just to be safe.

 

[Remius]

So, I'm still ready to give him a bit more time to square away the platform but...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-globe-editorial-doug-ford-is-off-to-a-bad-start-as-pc-leader/

I heard the interview and I agree with that editorial.  It was not a good start.  I was hoping for more substance.

Doug Ford is going to have to be a bit more specific.

on the sex ed thing I really hope they don't make this an issue.  he may not have a choice given who his king maker was but still.

 

[mariomike]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-globe-editorial-doug-ford-is-off-to-a-bad-start-as-pc-leader/

QUOTE

Mr. Ford vowed to find unnamed “efficiencies,” said it would be “simple” to do, and repeated his empty slogan, “Just watch me.”

END QUOTE

Deja vu all over again,

QUOTE

"Mayor Rob Ford will deliver $50-million in "efficiencies" in the way the city is run, he announced without giving any hint as to what the efficiencies will be."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rob-ford-promises-50-million-in-savings-in-budget-1.2513042

END QUOTE

For those who have not had a chance to read it yet,

Ford Nation: Two Brothers, One Vision
by Rob Ford (Author),‎    Doug Ford (Author)

 

[Jed]

So, have you read the curriculum? Has anybody here? I haven't (I just found it on the Net today) Is it ludicrous bumf? And are the people who put it together "incompetent know it alls?"

Who is being told to sit down and shut up, by who? And what "physical force" is being threatened, against who?

This is what I meant: we start cranking things up without knowing what the facts are. That is  the basic failing of the type of populism based on exploiting ignorance, fear and anger.

No I am not from ON so it does not affect me personally. I am not cranking it up by merely making an observation about people's reactions and stating my opinion. You would have to remain tone deaf to not see the rising sentiment about the On provincial government. There is no way anyone could find solid facts on this matter. Its more akin to finding intel from arm's length sources.  In my opinion, the silent majority is starting to push back against the Politically Correct crowd and those esteemed leaders who have parked their brains in neutral (Elites) It is obvious to me that the Left is getting more and more militant and activist on what used to be minor issues.

IMO, People are mad as hell and they are not going to take it anymore. Facts are meaningless at this point.