Ontario Politics in 2018
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Remius said:
Watched an interview with him where he said that abortion issues and sex ed curriculum are the two bottom rungs of the ladder. Finances at the top.
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Yep, this must be one of the Politics threads. :brickwall:Jed said:
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Funny youtube video about Homer, but it illustrates the point I was attempting to make. The Simpsons Cartoons have been running as least as long as the Looney Tunes on TV, the medium of the masses. They are a bit of a humorous window into the soul of the masses. Like I have said, it is only my opinion, but I predict a shift in the general attitude of the populous. Maybe something like when Jack Layton suddenly became a hero and everybody voted NDP. At times like these, Facts don't matter.mariomike said:
recceguy said:
Well his plan is only supposed to have 5 key points so it's a small ladder. Finances are good but he needs to get into the details or at least provide better info than he has when asked very basic questions.
Like his Ring of fire plan. I want to see more of that type of thinking.
Side note (and it will agree a bit with RG's assessment of the media) : I noticed the CBC and other outlets use terms like "PC Leader Doug Ford plans to scrap sex ed curriculum" but used " Progressive conservatives outline plan for Northern Ontario". both articles are from the same outlet but there is a subtle difference on how it is presented. One links ford himself to the plan and the other title excludes him. Minor but didn't go unnoticed.
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Jed said:
To paraphrase a post I'd made previously here, some people's 'thinking' is informed solely by clichés [ie - bumper stickers] and spamming this site from one or two zealot blogs.... obviously I should have included the Simpsons. :
For some of us, facts matter. But that is "only my opinion."
Journeyman said:To paraphrase a post I'd made previously here, some people's 'thinking' is informed solely by clichés [ie - bumper stickers] and spamming this site from one or two zealot blogs.... obviously I should have included the Simpsons. :
For some of us, facts matter. But that is "only my opinion."
Some of us actually share that opinion.
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mariomike said:
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Everyone's opinion is allowed.Journeyman said:To paraphrase a post I'd made previously here, some people's 'thinking' is informed solely by clichés [ie - bumper stickers] and spamming this site from one or two zealot blogs.... obviously I should have included the Simpsons. :
For some of us, facts matter. But that is "only my opinion."
Facts? Sure, if they are needed to prove a point, but I don't think there's a requirement to validate every single word someone uses.
I prefer posting as if I was having a conversation, not sitting in a reference library full of explanations, foot notes, links and attributions. Yes, those things have a place, I'm not discussing that.
I use 'just my opinion' so there is no confusing the gist of my post. For the same reason we've had :2c: here from the very start. If I think I need links and things for a technical or similar discussion, I'll go find them. If I write. "This idiot is batshit crazy and I don't like his platform." That is my personal opinion and it doesn't need to be qualified. There is nothing there to prove to anyone. Sometimes, you just don't like someone and how they operate. There's more than one looking at me now (
) I don't think it warrants all kinds of attacks, back handed or otherwise, especially knocking people's ignorance on a subject, identifying them personally or generally, through innuendo of being right or left wing freaks, bumper sticker** or otherwise, because someone doesn't agree. Yes, I'm guilty, but there's others here also, and not just a few. I'm trying to move towards personal change, for the better. I stumble lots, that's no secret. It's just too bad some others may feel too superior to try the same thing. :waiting:Hey, but that just MY opinion. :rofl:
** - The phrase I could care less. When I mentioned it, I wanted to know what defined it. I got one good answer, from PBI and that worked. I now have context to it's use. He used it, he defined it. I'm happy. The other explanation(s) were bumpf.
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With respect to Facts Matter. Yes, I agree. Facts Matter greatly. Consequences and Actions matter a lot more. At some point every individual will have reached a saturation point on the Facts, especially when there are a myriad of difficult to substantiate versions of the Facts. Some individuals will spiral down the drain in confusion and indecision. Most people will make some sort of decision and get on with it. (Like pick the candidate they want to vote for)
The smarter individuals pick a position, based on the available facts, back it and don't waste time waffling back and forth. At least until a substantiated Critical Fact smacks them in the face.
The ignorant individuals ignore Critical Facts until reality forces itself upon them. In my personsal opinion, that would be the Leftist Snowflakes who are and hopefully always will be, a minority of the voting population.
The smarter individuals pick a position, based on the available facts, back it and don't waste time waffling back and forth. At least until a substantiated Critical Fact smacks them in the face.
The ignorant individuals ignore Critical Facts until reality forces itself upon them. In my personsal opinion, that would be the Leftist Snowflakes who are and hopefully always will be, a minority of the voting population.
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Jed said:
Well, maybe not. I'd like to think that anybody trying to form a government in the Province I live in would base their plans and policies in facts, since I will have to live under that Government. As far as finding solid facts in this matter, here is the link to the Ontario curriculum that people are so worked up about (or at least the part that covers Grades 1 to 8
http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/curriculum/elementary/health1to8.pdf
I've looked through it and I honestly can't find what would make people angry enough to pull their kids out of school. Here are a few quotes that seem pretty reasonable to me:
So, it encourages young people to "set personal limits" and to avoid "reacting without thought". Seems fine to me.
Yawn.
OK, that sounds like what I got in Grade 8.
And, as far as I can see, lots more of the same sort of stuff. I would be happy to have the perverted, dangerous, corrupting parts pointed out to me.
Ohh, wait...that sounded wrong :tsktsk:
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With respect to the Health and Physical Education Curriculum. In the end it boils down to the delivery by the teachers / instructors. I looked through it but I hurt my head as is bounced of the desk when I fell asleep.
When I was going through school, when someone I knew and at another time, I, personally, was pawed up by an 'in the closet, Gay teacher' who was well thought of by most people, not a damn thing was done about the incidents even though they were discreetly brought to the attention of the powers that be.
People have long memories and resentments. Teachers bare a massive amount of responsibility. God bless the good ones.
When I was going through school, when someone I knew and at another time, I, personally, was pawed up by an 'in the closet, Gay teacher' who was well thought of by most people, not a damn thing was done about the incidents even though they were discreetly brought to the attention of the powers that be.
People have long memories and resentments. Teachers bare a massive amount of responsibility. God bless the good ones.
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Jed said:
One final stab at this, then I'll bow out.
My point wasn't aimed specifically at the left or right, where it seems the further out you go, the more vocal, repetitive, and ill-informed the views become -- neither end of the spectrum has cornered the market. No, I'm actually denouncing IGNORANCE.
Some people dismiss facts saying they already have an opinion, or live in an echo chamber of confirmation bias where they read only what they already agree with (eg: a blogger who claims to provide insight because he's insightful? Seriously?). With that sort of senselessness taking hold and spreading, society is f*cked; look how increasingly divided several communities have already become. If facts are dismissed out of hand, how can one even attempt a discussion -- Use only upper-case font? Try to out-stupid them? Assume that name-calling qualifies as an informed opinion?
Sadly, because such posts do little to actually inform, they serve only as a place to vent while diminishing the overall tone and content of the site.
For a growing number here, I suspect that they simply avoid the Politics threads, leaving the soapbox orators -- at both political ends --to run amok. I can't say I blame them.
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I wonder what the reaction would be if she used another colour?
https://soundcloud.com/brianlilley/kathleen-wynne-tells-students-to-vote-or-old-white-people-will
https://soundcloud.com/brianlilley/kathleen-wynne-tells-students-to-vote-or-old-white-people-will
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Journeyman,
Your points are well said
Sadly, I don't post my views as the site is too politically polarized. It's simply easier to read than to post. Sadly, I know it limits discussion and informed thought. One of the many reasons for this site.
Thank you for calling out the need for discussion.
Your points are well said
Sadly, I don't post my views as the site is too politically polarized. It's simply easier to read than to post. Sadly, I know it limits discussion and informed thought. One of the many reasons for this site.
Thank you for calling out the need for discussion.
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