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Election 2015

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And another poll, this one from ABACUSDATA showing the CPC and LPC tied at the top and the NDP well back, in third place:

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n =1632 (committed voters, only)
 
Good news for the Liberals; ABACUSDATA says that they have come waaaaay up in a key category: people who think they can win the election:

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That is what Momentum is made from ...
 
E.R. Campbell said:
The Globe and Mail has a new Election Forecast to kick off the last two weeks of the campaign. The data suggests that there is a:

74% chance that the Conservatives get the most seats

5% chance that the NDP gets the most seats

22% chance that the Liberals get the most seats

And a

19% chance that the Green party gets more than one seat

7% chance that all three main parties win 100 seats or more

8% chance that any party gets a majority
...


The Globe and Mail's Election Forecast has been updated this morning, there is now a:

75% chance that the Conservatives get the most seats ~ that's up, very slightly

4% chance that the NDP gets the most seats ~ that's down, also very slightly

22% chance that the Liberals get the most seats ~ unchanged

And a

20% chance that the Green party gets more than one seat

7% chance that all three parties win 100 seats or more

5% chance that any party gets a majority ~ that's down from 8%, a statistically considerable drop in one day
 
Not so good news for the Liberals: even Jeffrey Simpson, a usually reliable shill for the (generally Liberal) Laurentian Consensus, has some real doubts about M Trudeau's capability to keep his promises which he explains in this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/globe-politics-insider/liberals-platform-promises-much-but-how-much-can-they-deliver/article26690262/
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Liberals’ platform promises much, but how much can they deliver?

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Jeffrey Simpson
The Globe and Mail

Published Wednesday, Oct. 07, 2015

Any political party’s election platform that projects spending and revenue four years into the future is like a child’s game of pin the tail on the donkey.

The party might place the tail in the correct place – that is, its projections might come close to reality; more likely, reality will unfold in unpredictable ways, thereby causing the tail to miss the donkey altogether.

So when the Liberal Party projects deficits a shade under $10-billion for the first two years of a government it would lead, followed by $5.7-billion in the third year and a $1-billion surplus in the fourth, the projections are guesstimates.

The party can only surmise that future economic growth will be strong, hope the public money it will invest stimulates economic activity as forecast, and cross its fingers the cuts it will necessarily have to make in government administration plus the elimination of yet-unidentified tax expenditures will balance the budget.

In other words, the Liberal platform, much like the NDP’s, is directional rather than something to be counted on in detail. In the Liberals’ case, the platform promises much – more than it can deliver.

Two costly centrepieces dominate the platform: a whopping, tax-free Canada Child Benefit and investments in infrastructure.

The benefit, plus a middle-class tax cut, would trump, in cost to the Treasury, the Conservatives’ family allowance cheques that began to be delivered in the mail just before the election was called. The cost of the Liberal plan would be a staggering $25-billion a year. The child benefit is income-related and would put a lot of money into low-income families – the right social-policy approach – but it would also enrich, by almost $6,000 a year, the better-off, two-child families, defined as those earning more than $90,000 a year. For those earning $140,000 with two children, the transfer would be about $3,100. Such a transfer for these families makes no economic sense.

But the entire Liberal pitch is built around the “middle class” and “those working hard to join it.” So, large sums would be handed to families, from the poorest to those earning $140,000, paid for in part by higher taxes on those earning $200,000 or more – an increase that would push the marginal tax rate above 50 per cent in some provinces, with the result that tax avoidance would soar. This would mean, most assuredly, that the sum the Liberals hope to secure from these wealthier Canadians is exaggerated.

In contrast to the $25-billion a year for families, the Liberals would be spending about $5-billion on “infrastructure,” more than pledged by the Conservatives. The gap between the two would hardly be enough to kick-start the economy “now,” as the Liberals claim.

Whatever the impact of the $5-billion, it represents only about 15 per cent of the Liberals’ planned additional spending, although listening to Leader Justin Trudeau and his candidates, the unwary might suppose the share to be much higher.

Put another way, the pledge to run deficits to kick-start the economy through infrastructure, which is the way the party presents the plan, is misleading because so much more money is being allocated on a plethora of new and existing programs or tax cuts.

Most of this spending – for health, job training, clean technology, arts and culture, aboriginal people, veterans, immigration – gets baked into base government appropriations. It’s not one- or two-time stimulus, but rather permanent additional spending to the government’s bottom line.

The Liberals therefore would be changing the structure of the budget – by not proceeding with income splitting (except for seniors) and not allowing contributions to tax-free savings accounts to increase, and a few other small revenue changes – while adding a larger sum in the baked-in spending.

Something would have to give for the budget to snap back to balance in four years, and the Liberal platform, although wordy on the subject, is not very clear (many words sometimes being a camouflage for unclear or wishful thinking).

High economic growth would be expected to fill some of the gap, but who knows about such projections?

Most economists, looking at the country’s aging population, lower commodity prices, ensnarled resource projects and weak productivity, do not forecast robust economic growth. The Liberals had better hope that the economists are wrong.

As a political document, shaped by extensive polling and focus-group testing, the Liberal platform is enticing, which partly explains why the party’s campaign has proved to be better than all but its diehard supporters had dared to hope.

But in the unlikely event that the party were to get four years to implement the platform, some of its elements would have to change.


Put simply: if you believe the Liberal platform then I have bridge that's for sale ...
 
This late in the campaign, how many folks outside of their base out there will really be paying attention to the small details like that.  Might it be too little information too late to be noticed?  (If it's honestly a real concern.)
 
jollyjacktar said:
This late in the campaign, how many folks outside of their base out there will really be paying attention to the small details like that.  Might it be too little information too late to be noticed?  (If it's honestly a real concern.)


At this stage of the campaign, if I was a CPC tactician, I would want to say three things, over and over again:

    1. "Look, folks, even Jeffrey Simpson says that Justin Trudeau's 'pledge to run deficits to kick-start the economy through infrastructure ... is misleading.' You cannot trust him; he doesn't have a plan, except to take money out of your pockets;"

    2. "Justin Trudeau wants to let convicted terrorists stay in Canada, and he wants to let them continue to force their sisters to hide their faces behind niqabs;" and

    3. "We've just signed the world's biggest, best ever, free trade deal: I'm for it, Mulcair's against it, and Justin Trudeau just doesn't understand it."
 
PPCLI Guy said:
Really.  So there isn't a separate dress code for men and women who are "real Canadians"...of which I am not one, as I am also an immigrant to this wonderful country.

Did you happen to also look from your balcony and see young Canadian (for you, read white) girls of, say 10-12 years old that were dressed in a distressingly sexualized manner?  Did you notice the well heeled and well dressed soccer Mom next to her slovenly fat and ill-dressed (white) husband?

Did you also notice the dress code for Canadian girls of Jamaican, Chinese, Korean, Slovenian, Ukrainian and Russian decent?  And how their "dress code" differed from the men that they were with?

I'm fine with you being a racist xenophobe - it is a free country....but I will insist that you admit it.

Rather than waste space here, we can carry this conversation by PM.
 
Retired AF Guy said:
Rather than waste space here, we can carry this conversation by PM.

What?! And deny the rest of us the show?!
 
This image is now showing up on social media:

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It is good Conservative blue but doesn't have the CPC logo.

It's a good piece of advertising, no matter who made it.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
This image is now showing up on social media:

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It is good Conservative blue but doesn't have the CPC logo.

It's a good piece of advertising, no matter who made it.
speaking of advertising, I hope that who ever wins power stops letting political parties lie in their advertising
 
Altair said:
speaking of advertising, I hope that who ever wins power stops letting political parties lie in their advertising


It's deceptive rather than being an outright lie.

All those quotes are real enough, albeit incomplete, of course ... no "but," or "excepts." All were made in the no too distant past, while Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government was in power, but they are not all, current, 2015, statements.
 
Altair said:
speaking of advertising, I hope that who ever wins power stops letting political parties lie in their advertising
Yeah, the Liberals would have gotten hammered for the "CPC would put troops with guns in the streets" campaign in 2006 (or was it 2011).
 
1. So the NDP "promise to maintain stable defence spending and equip the military to resume leadership in the United Nations peacekeeping", and "readily acknowledge the F-35 joint strike fighter is not something that belongs in peacekeeping arsenal", and envision "a refined Canadian military", and "would 'maintain budgetary expenditures on defence to meet our commitments.'"

They have figured out that the key to lowering military spending is to lower the requirements.  Think about everything that isn't needed to monitor a cease-fire and zero it out refine it.

2. Simpson's article about the LPC "middle class" spending proposals prompts the question: why does the middle class need any more tax breaks or transfers?  (My view: personal income tax rates need not be lowered any further; non-refundable tax credits - expenditures - need to monotonically decline; transfers to families are already generous enough.)  The LPC is promising a retrograde step.

3. The garment ("niqab") pig-wrestle actually has two aspects.  Currently it suits the anti-Harper factions to use it as a point of attack against Harper, arguing "xenophobia" or "racism".  Absent Harper, the second aspect would be preeminent and the anti-Harper factions would mostly reverse their opposition: most women are not choosing to wear the garments, but are forced to do so by men.  Yes; surely there are a few women who freely choose to do so who are not under the thumb of fathers, uncles, husbands, brothers, sons, etc.  Now do a gut-check and think about the cultures and cultural pressures in question: how likely do you really think that is?  People who believe or claim there is a lot of free choice involved are clinging to an implausibly slender reed.
 
Brad Sallows said:
2. Simpson's article about the LPC "middle class" spending proposals prompts the question: why does the middle class need any more tax breaks or transfers?  (My view: personal income tax rates need not be lowered any further; non-refundable tax credits - expenditures - need to monotonically decline; transfers to families are already generous enough.)  The LPC is promising a retrograde step.

The middle class is where most of your economic engine is based off of.

Also keep in mind that families are driving the economy. Kids need things, lots of things. More food, bigger home, bigger car, clothes, healthcare, etc. Putting money back into the pockets of those families is going to have them spend it to get things they need or want to support those children.
 
PuckChaser said:
The middle class is where most of your economic engine is based off of.

Also keep in mind that families are driving the economy. Kids need things, lots of things. More food, bigger home, bigger car, clothes, healthcare, etc. Putting money back into the pockets of those families is going to have them spend it to get things they need or want to support those children.

True, but putting that money in the hands of government administrators will likely have the opposite effect.
 
Rocky Mountains said:
What is the error?

Hasn't Harper given hundreds of dollars per month per kid?  Hasn't Trudeau said he is going to reverse much of that money?  Has Mulcair said that rich people aren't going to get $15 daycare?  I think that paying people to look after their own kids is much cheaper than providing government funded daycare and a few less dysfunctional kids might be created.
I actually found the LPC child care plan.

You can read it if you like. Be warned, it doesn't fit the narrative the attack ads give. Might be because there are more than a few lies in those attack ads.
 
Why the f@%k should my tax dollars go there anyways?  If the Govt. can hand out this money then it shouldn't have been collected in the first place.
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
Why the f@%k should my tax dollars go there anyways?  If the Govt. can hand out this money then it shouldn't have been collected in the first place.
Considering all three major parties are doing some form of it, Tim Moen might be more your style.

https://www.libertarian.ca/
 
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