CMMA - replacing the CP140 Aurora

[KevinB]

And leave all that beautiful R&D, prototyping money on the table.......Come on now that not how this game works.

Bombardier probably just jockeying for a Boeing takeover…
That’s the way the system tends to work.

 

[dapaterson]

Embraer is still suing Boeing over their failed merger, does Boeing want another identical lawsuit in parallel?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Not so fast boys and girls.......I think the fix is in

MSN

"Ford asks Trudeau to let Bombardier bid

Did Trudeau ask Ford to ask him to help Bombardier? I would put a strong bet on this. Trudeau is looking for cover to not give to Boeing. But even if not I get why Ford is asking.

We can in this country really make easy hard!

Fuck it - let them “bid”. The HLMRs etc are publicly available.

I’ll order my retro Fisher Price plane off Amazon so I can place higher with my real aircraft that exits in material form.

 

[dapaterson]

Did they submit a response when it was posted?

Can they do a fly off against a P8 tomorrow?

 

[Spencer100]

Bombardier probably just jockeying for a Boeing takeover…
That’s the way the system tends to work.

Long term.....I would say that is the play for Bombardier to be taken over. Get the liabilities down. Boost profits and sales. But don't wait too long as they don't have the ability or resources to design new clean sheet aircraft.

 

[Good2Golf]

I’ll order my retro Fisher Price plane off Amazon so I can place higher with my real aircraft that exits in material form.

EITS, you know that was a DC-9, right?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Did they submit a response when it was posted?

I’m guessing no…

Can they do a fly off against a picture of a P8 tomorrow?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

EITS, you know that was a DC-9, right?

I was today-years old when I learned that!

 

[Spencer100]

More with the PR machine moving to high gear.

Bombardier patrol planes will have price 'competitive' with Boeing jets

Bombardier Inc.'s patrol planes will have a price "competitive" with that of jets from rival Boeing Inc. Find out more.

financialpost.com

As the saying goes....this is where the fun begins......

The odds are changing on the bets. I was at 80% for the Boeing, I would put it back 50/50.

The "For" P8 side

5 eyes and other Allies compatible
Real Plane and working
Good supply chain
Upgrade path
Makes US happy
First and really only choice of RCAF

The Against side AND for Bombardier

Quebec Inc
Trudeau and the Family
Made Canada people
Ontario now
GD Canada
Canadian Unions (they next in the PR war to be heard from)


Oh one mistake I think Bombardier did was use GD mission systems. They would than be able to pitch it as a product they can sell others. But GD won't because of Gulfstream.

 

[YZT580]

More with the PR machine moving to high gear.

Bombardier patrol planes will have price 'competitive' with Boeing jets

Bombardier Inc.'s patrol planes will have a price "competitive" with that of jets from rival Boeing Inc. Find out more.

financialpost.com

As the saying goes....this is where the fun begins......

The odds are changing on the bets. I was at 80% for the Boeing, I would put it back 50/50.

The "For" P8 side

5 eyes and other Allies compatible
Real Plane and working
Good supply chain
Upgrade path
Makes US happy
First and really only choice of RCAF

The Against side AND for Bombardier

Quebec Inc
Trudeau and the Family
Made Canada people
Ontario now
GD Canada
Canadian Unions (they next in the PR war to be heard from)


Oh one mistake I think Bombardier did was use GD mission systems. They would than be able to pitch it as a product they can sell others. But GD won't because of Gulfstream.

I don't understand what Ford expects to get out of it. ZD is scheduled to be closed and become development land for Toronto. Toronto itself has been foaming at the mouth for years now having all those acres that they can't use right on the 401. If ZD closes Bombardier is outta there and there is no other place for them in all of Ontario unless they resume their lease for the hangers in YB

 

[Spencer100]

I don't understand what Ford expects to get out of it. ZD is scheduled to be closed and become development land for Toronto. Toronto itself has been foaming at the mouth for years now having all those acres that they can't use right on the 401. If ZD closes Bombardier is outta there and there is no other place for them in all of Ontario unless they resume their lease for the hangers in YB

If nothing else GD mission systems is in Ottawa.

I thought Bombardier committed to Global finishing in Ontario? I may not be remembered correctly. Something to Unifor?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

More with the PR machine moving to high gear.

Bombardier patrol planes will have price 'competitive' with Boeing jets

Bombardier Inc.'s patrol planes will have a price "competitive" with that of jets from rival Boeing Inc. Find out more.

financialpost.com

As the saying goes....this is where the fun begins......

The odds are changing on the bets. I was at 80% for the Boeing, I would put it back 50/50.

The "For" P8 side

5 eyes and other Allies compatible
Real Plane and working
Good supply chain
Upgrade path
Makes US happy
First and really only choice of RCAF

The Against side AND for Bombardier

Quebec Inc
Trudeau and the Family
Made Canada people
Ontario now
GD Canada
Canadian Unions (they next in the PR war to be heard from)


Oh one mistake I think Bombardier did was use GD mission systems. They would than be able to pitch it as a product they can sell others. But GD won't because of Gulfstream.

The claim “cost comparable to P-8” is ridiculous. They are absorbing all the R and D?

They still can’t put aircraft on the line as quickly as needed. The Aurora is getting tired.

 

[dimsum]

The claim “cost comparable to P-8” is ridiculous. They are absorbing all the R and D?

They still can’t put aircraft on the line as quickly as needed. The Aurora is getting tired.

The line that it is “normal” for a contract to be awarded to something not in place yet is laughable.

It is, in Canada, but we’ve had several examples why it is a stupid idea compared to an aircraft that actually exists.

Also, saying it would be price competitive but then not actually naming a price, and basically saying “we’ll we won’t say it until there is a competition” made me

As an aside, if it was ever public, I would want to know what percentage of the bid is Value Proposition and ITBs.

 

[armrdsoul77]

I’ll order my retro Fisher Price plane off Amazon so I can place higher with my real aircraft that exits in material form.

Fond memories

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Fond memories
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That plane is still more real than the Bombardier one!

 

[YZT580]

If nothing else GD mission systems is in Ottawa.

I thought Bombardier committed to Global finishing in Ontario? I may not be remembered correctly. Something to Unifor?

here is the press. The way this reads the only way a global will leave downsview is on a railcar.:
Danish studio Henning Larsen Architects, local studio KPMB and landscape architecture studio SLA are set to convert an airstrip outside of downtown Toronto into a residential district.


Downsview Airfield, 15 kilometres northwest of downtown Toronto, will be turned into a residential and commercial district with strong transport connections to the city.

The development will be arranged around the two-kilometre-long runway, which will be turned into a "pedestrian corridor" that links the communities built within the 520-acre site.

 

[Mick]

here is the press. The way this reads the only way a global will leave downsview is on a railcar.:
Danish studio Henning Larsen Architects, local studio KPMB and landscape architecture studio SLA are set to convert an airstrip outside of downtown Toronto into a residential district.


Downsview Airfield, 15 kilometres northwest of downtown Toronto, will be turned into a residential and commercial district with strong transport connections to the city.

The development will be arranged around the two-kilometre-long runway, which will be turned into a "pedestrian corridor" that links the communities built within the 520-acre site.

Bombardier will gradually be moving Global production to a new facility at the northwest corner of YYZ, next to FedEx (once facility is complete).

Most recent article I could find:

$500-million jet-building plant to begin operations by late summer at Pearson Airport in Mississauga | INsauga

A $500-million state-of-the-art business jet-manufacturing plant being built by Bombardier at Pearson Airport in Mississauga is on schedule to begin operations late this summer, the global aviation company’s president and CEO said last week. The 770,000-sq.-ft. Global Manufacturing Centre, the...

www.insauga.com

 

[YZT580]

Bombardier will gradually be moving Global production to a new facility at the northwest corner of YYZ, next to FedEx (once facility is complete).

Most recent article I could find:

$500-million jet-building plant to begin operations by late summer at Pearson Airport in Mississauga | INsauga

A $500-million state-of-the-art business jet-manufacturing plant being built by Bombardier at Pearson Airport in Mississauga is on schedule to begin operations late this summer, the global aviation company’s president and CEO said last week. The 770,000-sq.-ft. Global Manufacturing Centre, the...

www.insauga.com

thx

 

[MTShaw]

If Saab pulled it out, they could offer a GlobalEye/Swordfish hybrid.

 

[Rifleman62]

Bombardier patrol planes will have price 'competitive' with Boeing jets​

Until, eventually, it is built, years from now. But the vote purchasing will be now.