Boeing to offer P-8 as CP-140 Replacement

[Edward Campbell]

Bombardier can talk to the MND all they want; if they aren't compliant, they don't have a chance. Anita Anand seems to be building her portfolio on quick wins and successes, not boondoggle kickback bids.

There's a reason she insisted on bringing her own DM with her when Trudeau assigned her to be MND.

 

[OldSolduer]

Meanwhile at Bombardier

Stop the insults to the scarecrow!! If Bombardier had him as a CEO they’d be successful.

Brains indeed…

Sorry for the sidetrack.

 

[Kirkhill]

Bombardier’s energy would be best spent on expanding the RCAF’s capability with some AEW&C capability (think E-11/P-7(ish), not try to fights CANUS/FVEYs ASW pan-alliance P-8 interoperability/capability thing.

That would require forethought, planning and risk management.

They want a cheque.

 

[FormerHorseGuard]

Bombardier and the government of Canada should come to a deal something like this.

Instead of loans ( more like gifts of tax payers money)

They need 500 Million to float them along.
RCAF needs new VIP jets, we buy the jets or lease them at a reduced cost they get the money. Our government uses the jets to fly around the world, show off the Bombardier products. We become a traveling billboard for Canadian products. Just have to make sure final work is done in Canada to make the Canadian content rules.

Trade the planes in every 10 years or 30% of the airframe life span. Because we know Bombardier will need another loan to float them along.

Our RCAF has new bright and up to date aircraft for VIP and medvac flights.

Yes I see a need for larger troop lift aircraft, but a long term leasing deal or trade in deal would benefit the tax payer, at least we are getting something for the money, show support for Canadian Aircraft industry, and does not look like unfair government funding when it comes to other countries who think Bombardier has an unfair advantage in trade deals because they get free money from the government.

 

[KevinB]

Bombardier and the government of Canada should come to a deal something like this.

Instead of loans ( more like gifts of tax payers money)

They need 500 Million to float them along.
RCAF needs new VIP jets, we buy the jets or lease them at a reduced cost they get the money. Our government uses the jets to fly around the world, show off the Bombardier products. We become a traveling billboard for Canadian products. Just have to make sure final work is done in Canada to make the Canadian content rules.

Trade the planes in every 10 years or 30% of the airframe life span. Because we know Bombardier will need another loan to float them along.

Our RCAF has new bright and up to date aircraft for VIP and medvac flights.

Yes I see a need for larger troop lift aircraft, but a long term leasing deal or trade in deal would benefit the tax payer, at least we are getting something for the money, show support for Canadian Aircraft industry, and does not look like unfair government funding when it comes to other countries who think Bombardier has an unfair advantage in trade deals because they get free money from the government.

Maybe they should be a commercially viable business or just go under.

 

[FormerHorseGuard]

Maybe they should be a commercially viable business or just go under.

That would help too, they have good product lines, just cursed with having Canada as home base. The Buy American Plan hurts them a lot

 

[Spencer100]

Bombardier and the government of Canada should come to a deal something like this.

Instead of loans ( more like gifts of tax payers money)

They need 500 Million to float them along.
RCAF needs new VIP jets, we buy the jets or lease them at a reduced cost they get the money. Our government uses the jets to fly around the world, show off the Bombardier products. We become a traveling billboard for Canadian products. Just have to make sure final work is done in Canada to make the Canadian content rules.

Trade the planes in every 10 years or 30% of the airframe life span. Because we know Bombardier will need another loan to float them along.

Our RCAF has new bright and up to date aircraft for VIP and medvac flights.

Yes I see a need for larger troop lift aircraft, but a long term leasing deal or trade in deal would benefit the tax payer, at least we are getting something for the money, show support for Canadian Aircraft industry, and does not look like unfair government funding when it comes to other countries who think Bombardier has an unfair advantage in trade deals because they get free money from the government.

The unfair trade thing is a non thing now. They have just one competitor now General Dynamics. That company won't do anything ti unset the apple cart.

 

[dimsum]

Remplacement d’avions militaires | Ottawa se laisse séduire par un avion « en fin de vie », clame Bombardier

Bombardier estime que l’Aviation royale canadienne se laisse séduire par un « produit en fin de vie » en envisageant d’acheter des avions de surveillance militaire de Boeing de gré à gré. L’avionneur québécois, qui convoite ce contrat multimilliardaire, n’entend pas rester les bras croisés s’il...

www.lapresse.ca

 

[calculus]

Remplacement d’avions militaires | Ottawa se laisse séduire par un avion « en fin de vie », clame Bombardier

Bombardier estime que l’Aviation royale canadienne se laisse séduire par un « produit en fin de vie » en envisageant d’acheter des avions de surveillance militaire de Boeing de gré à gré. L’avionneur québécois, qui convoite ce contrat multimilliardaire, n’entend pas rester les bras croisés s’il...

www.lapresse.ca

It begins....

 

[Rifleman62]

As I posted previously, let Quebec decide what the CAF needs. If during a world war the Liberals were afraid to lose the Quebec vote over conscription, what do expect this Liberal government to do?

 

[Good2Golf]

Remplacement d’avions militaires | Ottawa se laisse séduire par un avion « en fin de vie », clame Bombardier

Bombardier estime que l’Aviation royale canadienne se laisse séduire par un « produit en fin de vie » en envisageant d’acheter des avions de surveillance militaire de Boeing de gré à gré. L’avionneur québécois, qui convoite ce contrat multimilliardaire, n’entend pas rester les bras croisés s’il...

www.lapresse.ca

…I suppose this part is factually true..

Le Poseidon – qui s’apparente à la famille d’avions 737 – peut larguer des torpilles. Ce n’est pas le cas des appareils convertis par Bombardier, mais cela est réalisable, affirme l’entreprise.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

There's a reason she insisted on bringing her own DM with her when Trudeau assigned her to be MND.

So she might be the next "Bill Graham" as a decent MND?

 

[OldSolduer]

So she might be the next "Bill Graham" as a decent MND?

From what I’ve seen in her announcements she’s about the best one we’ve had in a long while. Appears competent and is not an “architect “

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Remplacement d’avions militaires | Ottawa se laisse séduire par un avion « en fin de vie », clame Bombardier

Bombardier estime que l’Aviation royale canadienne se laisse séduire par un « produit en fin de vie » en envisageant d’acheter des avions de surveillance militaire de Boeing de gré à gré. L’avionneur québécois, qui convoite ce contrat multimilliardaire, n’entend pas rester les bras croisés s’il...

www.lapresse.ca

I guess it’s entirely plausible that Bombardier didn’t know about the publicly available to the entire world RFI that was released over a year ago. I guess they weren’t seduced by those HLMRs they found in it.

P8 at its end of life…if you’re going to say absolutely stupid things, it shouldn’t be publicly.

 

[Good2Golf]

P8 at its end of life…if you’re going to say absolutely stupid things, it shouldn’t be publicly.

It has lasted longer than the Bombardier CS-100/300…

Just sayin’.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

It begins....

And “it” looks like this…

 

[OldSolduer]

And “it” looks like this…

Bombardier should be told to go piss up a rope. Nothing but legalized theft.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Bombardier should be told to go piss up a rope. Nothing but legalized theft.

I would just forward them this link in a semi-nicely worded email that told them to pay particular attention to Section 5…

https://buyandsell.gc.ca/cds/public/2022/02/10/40e474721d25ec41e82e2941aa3754f5/canadian_multi-mission_aircraft_project_request_for_information_02.10.2022.pdf