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US Election: 2016

Read an article in 27 Dec., 2016, The New York Times said, "The 2009 crowd of nearly two million people, a record, included few, if any, protesters and did not lead to a single arrest, according to Christopher T. Geldart, the director of homeland security for the District of Columbia."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/27/us/politics/donald-trump-inauguration-security.html?_r=0

There did not seem to be any problems with the 2013 crowd either.

Hopefully, there will be no mayhem with the 2017 crowd!







 
Unlike the two previous elections, the losing side took their loss and carried on without carrying on as is the case this time.  I don't expect these sore losers to quit the whining, dripping and moaning for some time to come yet.
 
jollyjacktar said:
Unlike the two previous elections, the losing side took their loss and carried on without carrying on as is the case this time.  I don't expect these sore losers to quit the whining, dripping and moaning for some time to come yet.

My recollection of the post Obama election Republican reaction was more like this:

When conservatives freaked the hell out after Barack Obama was first elected (and really throughout the entire eight year hissy fit that’s followed), they “feared” him for things that weren’t true. Republicans were sold a long-list of ridiculous conspiracy theories and most bought nearly every damn one of them. Since his election and over the past eight years conservatives were told he is/was:

-Not an American citizen.
-Living under an alias.
-A secret Muslim.
-Working with the Muslim Brotherhood.
-Never went to Harvard or Columbia since none of his classmates recalled him being there.
-Ordering authorities to keep his transcripts sealed to hide the fact he’s lying about his education.
-Capable of forging two forms of his birth certificate.
-Going to use FEMA camps to round up Republicans.
-Going to confiscate guns.
-Anti-American.
-Going to outlaw Christianity.
-Waging a war on Christmas.
-Changing the Constitution so he could run for a third term.
-A dictator.
-Someone who hated white people.
-Took his Oath of Office on the Koran.
-A socialist/Marxist/communist.
-Anti-capitalism.
-Faking jobs reports and lying about the unemployment rate.
-Using a military exercise to declare martial law to confiscate guns.
-Allowing terrorists to come to the United States to kill Americans.
-Literally the anti-Christ.
-Using the Affordable Care Act to set up death panels to kill Americans.

The list goes on and on — a list filled with nonsense that’s so incredibly ridiculous you’d have to want to hate him to believe any of it.
Read more at:http://www.forwardprogressives.com/bull-equate-liberal-reaction-trumps-win-conservative-reaction-obamas-2008/

Let's be honest. Neither party has a monopoly on whiners and complainers. Judging by the last eight years I would expect the whining will go on for the next four years at which point there will be another crop of whiners to take over.

:subbies:
 
jollyjacktar said:
I don't expect these sore losers to quit the whining, dripping and moaning for some time to come yet.

Sadly, based on what we have seen so far, you may be right.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=trump+protest&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPktKFy5XRAhUk3IMKHRgoCyUQ_AUICigD&biw=1536&bih=770

As far as finger-pointing, predictions for a non-violent transition were less than optimistic, even before the election. Regardless of the outcome.

What to look forward to if the Republicans lost,
https://www.google.ca/search?q=if+trump+loses&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=eARjWNCgO4GN8QfV5ZOICw&gws_rd=ssl

Any predictions on fatal and non-fatal shootings, stabbings, bludgeoning, vehichicular, roof toss and a$$ stompings in D.C., and across America, on Inauguration Day?

Whatever happened to disgruntled people taking it out on their keyboards, instead of each other?


FJAG said:
My recollection of the post Obama election Republican reaction was more like this:

There were a few disgruntled protestors,
https://www.google.ca/search?q=obama+protest&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKv9zq4ZXRAhUM9YMKHSCGCzUQ_AUICSgC&biw=1536&bih=770

See also,

Dissing Obama - The worst moments of disrespect to President Obama and his family.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/politics/gallery/dissing-obama/




 
FJAG said:
My recollection of the post Obama election Republican reaction was more like this:

Let's be honest. Neither party has a monopoly on whiners and complainers. Judging by the last eight years I would expect the whining will go on for the next four years at which point there will be another crop of whiners to take over.

:subbies:

Ok, yes you have me there.  There was that moan about his place of birth.  True. 

I should have been clear.  I don't honestly remember mobs of Republicans taking to the streets in demonstrations against the then President-elect in cities across the country.  That is what I meant by them taking their lumps.
 
jollyjacktar said:
I don't honestly remember mobs of Republicans taking to the streets in demonstrations against the then President-elect in cities across the country. 

I don't honestly remember mobs of Democrats taking to the streets in demonstrations against the then President-elect in cities across the country.

( Seven Republican Presidents in my lifetime. )

ALBANY, N.Y. — A former Donald Trump campaign official who wrote that he wanted to see Barack Obama dead of mad cow disease and Michelle Obama living with a gorilla in Africa now says those comments weren't meant for publication but were nevertheless "inappropriate."

Not just politicians.

First Responders are still getting themselves in trouble on social media over politics.

"Keep your racist, sexist and homophobic rants off the internet. The ProTip that First Responders continue to ignore."
https://twitter.com/NYCEMSwatch/status/813857133074714625


 
Then pray, let me remind you.  If you want to split hairs, then sure, they were not all Democrats in all probability.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/anti-trump-protests-not-letting-up-for-sixth-straight-day-after-presidential-election/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/election-results-reaction-streets/

 
The Republicans have just spent the past eight years blocking any bill presented by President Obama.  :(

And they wonder why people have lost faith in Congress!
 
That isn't so really different than what happens here to some extent.  The next wave rolls into power and starts to dismantle the work of the previous administration if it doesn't meet their views, the Liberals are gleefully ripping apart what they wish of the Harper era.  That's politics, their system just works a little different in how the kids kick sand over each other as opposed to our system.
 
There is a one word solution: Consensus.

And that is what the representatives are supposed to be paid for - to find the common ground that will accommodate the needs of both factions and will survive an election.  But that common ground also has to reflect the wishes of the electors (both general and specific) or the electors will opt for "none of the above".
 
Baden Guy:
The Republicans have just spent the past eight years blocking any bill presented by President Obama.  :(

And they wonder why people have lost faith in Congress!

I don't think so. Harry Reid, as Majority Leader, was a nasty and refused to put Bills on the Senate floor for a vote. The GOP has passed many Congressional Bills. Here is a fair summary: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/aug/06/lynn-jenkins/rep-lynn-jenkins-blames-harry-reid-do-nothing-sena/

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/statistics  This table breaks down the bills and resolutions introduced in each two-year Congress by their final status.

You may be interested in this article from July as an indication.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/11/gop-led-senate-passing-bills-at-rate-not-seen-in-d/

GOP-led Senate passing bills at rate not seen in decades
 
The GOP Congress passed lots of legislation, but was blocked by Obama, who prefers to ignore the Congress (and the rules laid down in the Constitution) to rule with a "pen and a phone".

As for the future, we have already seen President Trump signalling he will be renegotiating government contracts and reorganizing the Federal Bureaucracy to save money. Here is another look at some potential game changers for the Trump Administration. Saving money is the first order effect, cutting out a large swath of rent seekers will be a rather large second order effect. President Trump building a large scale political machine of his own based on infrastructure rebuilding is the likely third order effect (transferring the loyalties of the construction trades and unions from the Dems to his new American Populist party [can hardly call them Republicans anymore]):

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/12/27/a-test-for-the-democratic-party/

REBUILDING AMERICA
A Test for the Democratic Party

A story in The New York Times, about how New York State has slowly embraced the design-build construction process, demonstrates both the past failures of blue governance, and possible opportunities awaiting the Democratic Party, which has struggled to win state and local elections recently:

The replacement of the Kosciuszko Bridge, a vital link between Brooklyn and Queens, with a new crossing has succeeded where many New York transportation projects have failed. It is on time and on budget.

The first of two side-by-side, cable-stayed bridges will open in the spring, just three years after state transportation officials awarded $555 million to a project team. It was built using a contracting process that saves time and money by bundling together the design and construction phases of a project instead of carrying them out separately.

This integrated approach — known as “design-build” versus “design-bid-build” — eliminates the need for two separate contracts and bidding processes, reduces the lag time after a design is completed but construction has yet to begin, and ensures closer coordination among project owners, architects, engineers and construction workers from the start.

But design-build projects like the new Kosciuszko Bridge remain the exception in New York even as they have become widely used elsewhere. The State Legislature in Albany has authorized the use of the design-build process for only a few state agencies and authorities since 2011, despite efforts by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio, both Democrats, to expand its use.

Design-build is a big step in the right direction, and it’s one that New York (which lags other states) couldn’t be taking soon enough. In a sign that he understands this, Governor Cuomo reportedly pressed President-elect Donald Trump to embrace the design-build model for his own infrastructure proposals last month. But design-build faces opposition from special interests that Democratic politicians can’t easily ignore:

ome state legislators, state labor leaders, construction industry groups and others have raised concerns about expanding the use of design-build. These critics say it could lead to fewer public sector jobs as more design and engineering work is contracted out by government agencies as opposed to being done in-house, and could allow for a more subjective selection process as contracts are evaluated for the “best value” and not simply the lowest bid.

Translation: unions and groups that benefit from the need to hire additional employees and lawyers to coordinate procurement contracts, change orders, and other issues don’t want a new system that saves money by cutting labor costs.

Labor is the biggest driver of infrastructure costs, and you can’t save much money without touching it. Over the past few decades, private firms across industries have become more efficient by replacing people with machines and by streamlining processes so they don’t have to hire as many workers and outside consultants. Because of pressure from special interests and organized labor, governments (blue and red) haven’t been able to realize these efficiencies. As the cost of hiring a single employee continues to skyrocket thanks to health care and pension expenses, the urgency of reducing labor needs grows.

Both New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio and Cuomo have come around to supporting design-build, but special interests continue to stand in the way. How blue politicians manage this opposition will be a key determinant of the future of Democratic Party. The old system is unworkable, and states that rely on it are bordering on ungovernable in some ways—if the government can’t afford to maintain public roads, what is it good for? But the new system weakens core Democratic constituencies by reducing the government payroll. Balancing these interests is a big challenge, and it remains to be seen whether there are Democratic politicians up to the task. The future of the Party may depend on the issue.

 
The use of analytics (especially "Big Data") is supposed to allow users to reveal interesting patterns and trends hidden in large amounts of data. As this article demonstrates, Big Data and analytics suffer from the same issue as other computer driven solutions: Garbage In, Garbage Out. Of course, given the blatant manipulation of polling data, I doubt that polls would have helped much either:

https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/646194?unlock=O0PSAHTAHF7G58Y1

How Analytical Models Failed Clinton
Her campaign was so confident in its data that it opted not to do tracking polls in states that decided the election.
Charlie Cook
Dec. 26, 2016, 8 p.m.

The Novem­ber elec­tions pit­ted Demo­crats against Re­pub­lic­ans, con­ser­vat­ives against lib­er­als, Trump-style pop­u­lists and tea parti­ers against the es­tab­lish­ment and con­ven­tion­al politi­cians. An­oth­er con­test, fol­lowed mainly by polit­ic­al afi­cion­ados, matched tra­di­tion­al poll­sters against newly fash­ion­able ana­lyt­ics wiz­ards, some of whom—pre­ten­tiously in my opin­ion—called them­selves “data sci­ent­ists.”

It was well known that tra­di­tion­al polling was hav­ing prob­lems. The numb­ing ef­fect of bil­lions of tele­market­ing calls and the ad­vent of caller ID and voice mail had re­duced re­sponse rates (the per­cent­age of com­pleted in­ter­views for every hun­dred at­tempts) from the 40s a couple of dec­ades ago to the high single di­gits. As they struggled to get truly rep­res­ent­at­ive samples, poll­sters “weighted” their data more than ever be­fore, mak­ing as­sump­tions of what the elect­or­ate would look like on elec­tion days that were weeks, months, or even a year or more away.

Prob­lems with tra­di­tion­al, live-tele­phone polling led to ex­per­i­ment­a­tion and more re­cently a grow­ing ac­cept­ance of new meth­ods like In­ter­act­ive Voice Re­sponse, pop­ularly known as robo-polls, and on-line polling. Each new meth­od brings both good and bad at­trib­utes. As a tra­di­tion­al­ist, I see the new tech­niques as bad ideas whose time is re­gret­tably com­ing.

The oth­er trend is “ana­lyt­ics,” which in­cor­por­ates in­form­a­tion from a vari­ety of sources—Census Bur­eau stud­ies, com­mer­cially avail­able mar­ket data com­bined with past elec­tion res­ults, and con­clu­sions gleaned from polling, voter can­vassing, and eco­nom­ic meas­ures such as the un­em­ploy­ment rate. This “big data” en­able cam­paigns to mod­el the an­ti­cip­ated elect­or­ate, identi­fy voters most likely to be sym­path­et­ic to their can­did­ates, and shape their mes­sages ac­cord­ingly.

The roots of cam­paign ana­lyt­ics go back to the 1970’s when Demo­crat­ic cam­paign con­sult­ant Matt Reese and Re­pub­lic­an con­sult­ant Ed­die Mahe pro­moted a new tech­no­logy branded Clar­itas, a geo-demo­graph­ic tar­get­ing sys­tem centered on life­styles and neigh­bor­hoods based on a mar­ket-seg­ment­a­tion plat­form de­veloped by com­puter sci­ent­ist Jonath­an Rob­bin (Clar­itas is now owned by Nielsen). It was an idea ahead of its time, too ex­pens­ive for most cam­paigns, and it even­tu­ally left the polit­ic­al theat­er al­to­geth­er.

In 2004 the Howard Dean, George W. Bush-Dick Cheney, and John Kerry-John Ed­wards pres­id­en­tial cam­paigns ad­vanced the uses of data to con­tact voters, but it was the 2008 cam­paign of Barack Obama that took ana­lyt­ics to a whole new level. The in­fatu­ation with ana­lyt­ics after Obama’s reelec­tion in 2012 promp­ted some of his op­er­at­ives to say they didn’t need tra­di­tion­al polling any­more.

When Hil­lary Clin­ton began put­ting to­geth­er her 2016 cam­paign, she brought on board many Obama vet­er­ans, go­ing all in for the new tech­no­logy. Don­ald Trump’s gen­er­al-elec­tion cam­paign also em­ployed ana­lyt­ics, though how soph­ist­ic­ated and im­port­ant it was in his vic­tory is a mat­ter of con­sid­er­able de­bate. House and Sen­ate cam­paign com­mit­tees and su­per-PACs also used ana­lyt­ics to vary­ing de­grees.

The re­li­ance, or per­haps over­re­li­ance on ana­lyt­ics, may be one of the factors con­trib­ut­ing to Clin­ton’s sur­prise de­feat. The Clin­ton team was so con­fid­ent in its ana­lyt­ic­al mod­els that it op­ted not to con­duct track­ing polls in a num­ber of states dur­ing the last month of the cam­paign. As a con­sequence, de­teri­or­at­ing sup­port in states such as Michigan and Wis­con­sin fell be­low the radar screen, slip­page that that tra­di­tion­al track­ing polls would have cer­tainly caught.

Ac­cord­ing to Kantar Me­dia/CMAG data, the Clin­ton cam­paign did not go on the air with tele­vi­sion ads in Wis­con­sin un­til the weeks of Oct. 25 and Nov. 1, spend­ing in the end just $2.6 mil­lion. Su­per PACs back­ing Clin­ton didn’t air ads in Wis­con­sin un­til the last week of the cam­paign. In Michigan, aside from a tiny $16,000 buy by the cam­paign and a party com­mit­tee the week of Oct. 25, the Clin­ton cam­paign and its al­lied groups didn’t con­duct a con­cer­ted ad­vert­ising ef­fort un­til a week be­fore the elec­tion.

In fact, the Clin­ton cam­paign spent more money on tele­vi­sion ad­vert­ising in Ari­zona, Geor­gia, and the Omaha, Neb­raska mar­kets than in Michigan and Wis­con­sin com­bined. It was Michigan and Wis­con­sin, along with Pennsylvania (the Clin­ton cam­paign and al­lied groups did spend $42 mil­lion on tele­vi­sion in the Key­stone State), that ef­fect­ively cost Demo­crats the pres­id­ency.

In the end, the na­tion­al polls fared bet­ter than com­monly thought. The Real­Clear­Polit­ics av­er­age of na­tion­al polls showed Clin­ton ahead by 3.2 per­cent­age points go­ing in­to Elec­tion Day, and the fi­nal ABC News/Wash­ing­ton Post, CBS News, NBC News/Wall Street Journ­al, and Fox News polls each had Clin­ton ahead by 4 points (the last CNN na­tion­al poll was taken two weeks be­fore the elec­tion and had Clin­ton ahead by 5 points). She ended up win­ning the na­tion­al pop­u­lar vote by 2.1 per­cent­age points, 48.2 to 46.1. Thus the RCP av­er­age was off by 1.1 per­cent­age points, the net­work polls were off by 1.9 per­cent­age points. They were off by far more in 2012, but nobody no­ticed be­cause the pop­u­lar vote and Elect­or­al Col­lege tally went the same dir­ec­tion. If one buys the ar­gu­ment that the race changed con­sid­er­ably in the last week, for whatever reas­on, then some of these polls may not have been off by much if at all.

Like so many oth­er as­pects of this elec­tion, a lot of small misses ad­ded up to one gi­ant er­ror on the out­come of the elec­tion. In 54 out of our 58 pres­id­en­tial elec­tions, the win­ner of the pop­u­lar vote also pre­vailed in the elect­or­al vote. A good rule of thumb is that if a can­did­ate wins the pop­u­lar vote by at least 2 per­cent­age points, he or she will al­most cer­tainly cap­ture the Elect­or­al Col­lege. So in an elec­tion when one can­did­ate is thought to have a com­fort­able lead of more than 2 per­cent­age points, there is a reas­on­able ex­pect­a­tion that the elect­or­al vote will go in the same dir­ec­tion. But if the fi­nal res­ult is hov­er­ing at the 2-point threshold, that’s a wrinkle that can cre­ate an un­ex­pec­ted out­come, as the Clin­ton team learned to its dis­may.

It was the in­di­vidu­al state polling that badly missed the mark. In Wis­con­sin, Clin­ton led in each of the 32 pub­lic polls from mid-Au­gust on. The fi­nal Mar­quette Uni­versity Law School, gen­er­ally con­sidered to be the most re­spec­ted in the state, had the Demo­crat up by 6 points. She lost by eight-tenths of a point.

In Pennsylvania, Clin­ton led in 37 out of 38 polls be­gin­ning in early Au­gust. CNN’s last poll had Clin­ton up by 4 points, the fi­nal Quin­nipi­ac poll had her up by 5 points, and the Real­Clear­Polit­ics av­er­age had her up by 1.9 per­cent­age points. She lost by eight-tenths of a point.

In Michigan, Clin­ton was ahead in 25 out of 26 polls taken from the be­gin­ning of Au­gust on. The De­troit Free Press’s last poll had her up by four points, and the Real­Clear­Polit­ics av­er­age had her up by 3.6 points. She lost by two-tenths of a point.

It’s worth not­ing that state polls con­duc­ted by news or­gan­iz­a­tions and uni­versit­ies vary enorm­ously in qual­ity and soph­ist­ic­a­tion. Few state-based news or­gan­iz­a­tions spend the kind of money on polling that many once did. Much of the state-level polling is of a dime-store qual­ity, con­duc­ted by polling firms that are even un­fa­mil­i­ar to polit­ic­al pros.

Ex­per­i­enced journ­al­ists might ar­gue that the over­re­li­ance by re­port­ers on both polls and ana­lyt­ics has led to a de­crease in shoe-leath­er, on-the-ground re­port­ing that might have picked up move­ments in the elect­or­ate that the polls missed. As the Michigan res­ults came in on elec­tion night, I vividly re­called that two con­gress­men from Michigan—one a Demo­crat, the oth­er a Re­pub­lic­an—had been warn­ing me for months that Michigan was more com­pet­it­ive than pub­licly thought. I wished I had listened.

The ana­lyt­ic­al mod­els for both sides poin­ted to a Clin­ton vic­tory, al­beit not a run­away. The Clin­ton cam­paign and su­per PACs had sev­er­al of the most highly re­garded polling firms in the Demo­crat­ic Party, yet in the places that ended up mat­ter­ing, very little if any polling was done. So while 2016 wasn’t a vic­tory for tra­di­tion­al polling, it cer­tainly took a lot of the luster from ana­lyt­ics. In the end, big data mattered very little.

CLA­RI­FIC­A­TION: Ac­cord­ing to Kantar Me­dia/CMAG, a firm that mon­it­ors polit­ic­al ad­vert­ising, the Clin­ton cam­paign’s ad­vert­ising star­ted the week of Nov. 1 in Michigan and Oct. 25 in Wis­con­sin. The cam­paign also made a $70 mil­lion na­tion­al ad buy, $59 mil­lion of which would have been pri­or to Oct. 25, and some of that would have gone in­to Michigan and Wis­con­sin. The cam­paign also had field or­gan­iz­a­tions in both states.

I should also note that other alternatives like looking at the betting pools and some AI programs which scraped information from the Internet were remarkably precient in predicting the eventual outcomes of the Brexit and the US Presidential election, so the problem is most likely the modelling being used to interpret the data.
 
jollyjacktar said:
Then pray, let me remind you.  If you want to split hairs, then sure, they were not all Democrats in all probability.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/anti-trump-protests-not-letting-up-for-sixth-straight-day-after-presidential-election/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/election-results-reaction-streets/

WOW. Whatever happened to just sprinkling a few  >:D and hitting "Send"?

That seems to be the Canadian way.

As bad as these protests / riots are, I wonder how his followers would have reacted had he lost the Electoral vote?

If Trump loses: We’ll be at the White House — ‘in arms’
http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/trump-fans-say-hell-win-and-they-wont-accept-less/

Predictions of mayhem - if the Republicans lose the Electoral vote,
https://www.google.ca/search?q=if+trump+loses&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=6D1kWMScNoON8QfwnaHACw&gws_rd=ssl


"Bikers for Trump" will be at the inauguration,
https://www.google.ca/search?q=bikers+for+trump&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjch6vn2ZfRAhWk1IMKHeiBBuIQ_AUICSgC&biw=1536&bih=770

"Bikers for Trump, a volunteer security detail that joined Trump on his campaign stops in order to push back against anti-Trump protestors. They were the first group to secure approval — and are also petitioning to ride along in the inaugural parade."

The Ku Klux Klan will hold a "victory parade",
https://www.google.ca/search?q=kkk+trump+victory+parade&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=uylkWPrYKYiN8QfrkaD4BA&gws_rd=ssl#q=kkk+victory+parade

2017 should prove to be an interesting conglomeration of personalities coming together in the streets of America!



Would President Obama have won a third term if the constitution allowed it?

I believe so. On Inauguration Day, 2017, President Obama would only be 56 years old.

In 2008 he won the Popular vote by 10 million with 365 Electoral votes.

In 2012 he won the Popular vote by 5 million with 332 Electoral votes.

In 2016 the Republicans lost the Popular vote by 3 million with 304 Electoral votes.

 
Doubtful.

During Obamas two terms the Dems have lost a total of 1030 seats at all levels.  Ouch.  It is Obama's fault the Democrats are in total disarray.  He stated over and over that his legacy was on the Clinton ticket in fact he stated it would be a personal insult for anyone to not vote Hillary.  He was desperate. 

Obama must be completely devastated his legacy will be systematically undone over the next few years. 

Crow must be an endangered species by now with all the pundits, media and Obama himself declaring Hillary the winner before it even began.  LOL!!
 
QV said:
Doubtful.

During Obamas two terms the Dems have lost a total of 1030 seats at all levels.  Ouch.  It is Obama's fault the Democrats are in total disarray.  He stated over and over that his legacy was on the Clinton ticket in fact he stated it would be a personal insult for anyone to not vote Hillary.  He was desperate. 

Obama must be completely devastated his legacy will be systematically undone over the next few years. 

Crow must be an endangered species by now with all the pundits, media and Obama himself declaring Hillary the winner before it even began.  LOL!!
IMO Obama would have won. Grateful Trump is not our leader.


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RocketRichard said:
IMO Obama would have won. Grateful Trump is not our leader.


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Tht’s MO; Obama over Trump, although character wise, it might unfold in 2019 with “Mr. Wonderful,” Kevin O’Leary.

Mr. Wonderful comes to Ottawa, and he’s ‘pissed off’

“I’m in Ottawa because I am one pissed-off taxpayer,” O’Leary later tells me in an interview. “I want to get the public engaged. I want to help take our country back.

“Never have I seen such incompetence in a government. Justin Trudeau promised jobs to the millennials, and he screwed them.

“They’re still in their basements.”

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/12/12/mr-wonderful-comes-to-ottawa-and-hes-pissed-off


C.U.
 
[quote author=Chispa]

“Never have I seen such incompetence in a government. Justin Trudeau promised jobs to the millennials, and he screwed them.

“They’re still in their basements.”

[/quote]
That's their safe space, they want to be there.
 
Chispa said:
Tht’s MO; Obama over Trump, although character wise, it might unfold in 2019 with “Mr. Wonderful,” Kevin O’Leary.

Mr. Wonderful comes to Ottawa, and he’s ‘pissed off’

“I’m in Ottawa because I am one pissed-off taxpayer,” O’Leary later tells me in an interview. “I want to get the public engaged. I want to help take our country back.

“Never have I seen such incompetence in a government. Justin Trudeau promised jobs to the millennials, and he screwed them.

“They’re still in their basements.”

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/12/12/mr-wonderful-comes-to-ottawa-and-hes-pissed-off


C.U.

As long as we are on the subject of Canadian politics, I thought the "pissed off" role would go to Ford Nation? Doug's "tell all" book came out just in time for Christmas.

Speaking of Ford Nation, in this morning's headlines,
https://www.google.ca/search?q=renata+ford&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=BjxlWLyFOIuN8Qecl5HwDA&gws_rd=ssl#q=renata+ford&tbs=qdr:d


Most Canadians ‘upset’ by Trump victory

Canadians are anything but mixed in their reaction to the result of the U.S. election. Three-in-five (62%) view the outcome negatively, and nearly half (45%) say they are “very upset” about the Republican nominee’s triumph, more than twice as many as register any other reaction to the results.

Roughly one-in-five say they feel “neutral” about Trump’s victory (20%), or are pleased at this result (18%).

“Upset” is the most common reaction to the results across all regions, ages, and genders in Canada, but women and young people are especially likely to feel this way. Seven-in-ten in each of these groups say they are upset with the election results, as seen in the graph that follows:
http://angusreid.org/post-us-election-trump/

Almost two-thirds of Canadians (62%) say they are upset with the outcome of Tuesday’s election, including nearly half (45%) who are “very upset.”




 
http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/12/28/14088992/brain-study-change-minds

A new brain study sheds light on why it can be so hard to change someone's political beliefs

Why we react to inconvenient truths as if they were personal insults.  ;D
 
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