The Defence Budget [superthread]
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No, but we'd have a metric #^/#-tonne of forage caps for Generals.MilEME09 said:
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kev994 said:
Oh no, we'd know but PSPC would throw so much red tape and monkey wrenches into the transmission we'd be unable to spend it.
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Well... I guess we will see how a Trump administration compels Trudeau to shift gears. Stay embarrassingly low on defence spending and suffer an economic smack with a NAFTA burning party, or increase defence spending to the agreed 2% and do a fair share of the lifting and the NAFTA issue gets only a slight tweak...
Trudeau, I think, will be perpetually between a rock and a hard place as long as Trump reigns.
Interesting times ahead.
Trudeau, I think, will be perpetually between a rock and a hard place as long as Trump reigns.
Interesting times ahead.
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QV:
Since Trump has met with the CEO's of Boeing and MacDonald Douglas re costs we may expect that Canada will get (after a big nudge from Trump) the F-35 as the procurement will further decrease the costs. Trudeau will come up with some cockomany excuse such as Canadian industry benefits etc to CYA.
IMHO and my political bias that it will be a big embarrassment to Canada when Trump and Trudeau meet. Trump will see right through the PM in seconds flat. Trump will be gracious though and tweet that Trudeau has nice hair.
Since Trump has met with the CEO's of Boeing and MacDonald Douglas re costs we may expect that Canada will get (after a big nudge from Trump) the F-35 as the procurement will further decrease the costs. Trudeau will come up with some cockomany excuse such as Canadian industry benefits etc to CYA.
IMHO and my political bias that it will be a big embarrassment to Canada when Trump and Trudeau meet. Trump will see right through the PM in seconds flat. Trump will be gracious though and tweet that Trudeau has nice hair.
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Rifleman62 said:
I'm not so sure it will be an "embarrassment" for Canada but could possibly be an "economic problem" for Canada.
Both these guys are shallow neophytes without "political" negotiating skills. Trump is a bully and Trudeau is a lightweight holding few negotiating cards. Both are fervently nationalistic; Trump overtly so and Trudeau as the inheritor of the Liberals' long-standing hatred of anything American. I'm not so sure that either of the two realises the mutual benefit that accrues to our two countries under our present trade structure and they may both be too enraptured in their own rhetoric to see or accept that.
What worries me more than anything isn't so much JT's shallowness being an embarrassment as his more experienced but intransigent handlers setting up a situation which will trigger Trump's reflex to lash out irrationally.
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FJAG said:
'A leader is a dealer in hope.'
They're both pretty good leaders so far, IMHO, in their own right.
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If we believe what Trump says, my guess is that saving American jobs is a higher priority to him than getting Canada to spend more on defence. If that's the case, bye bye NAFTA, no matter what Prince Valiant does on defence spending.QV said:
More than likely.Rifleman62 said:
:nod:FJAG said:
It's interesting to see how many folks around here seem to be OK with a foreign power squeezing Canada's nutz to get what it wants ...Rifleman62 said:
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milnews.ca said:
I think it's just people being realistic given our geopolitical situation. It's not like we'll deploy by ourselves and will more than likely do so with the US, and also that we need to work hand in glove with the US for NORAD, etc., so it will be a hard sell to not alter our wishes to coincide with theirs (ie. follow them).
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milnews.ca said:
My question to you is when in history hasn't this been the case? Since we became a nation (as well as before it) someone has always been forcing us to do what they want for their benefit. For a while it was the UK, now it is the US. It would be nice if we could just shrug it off, but we have neither the power, or more importantly the will to do so.
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Eaglelord17 said:
I would be okay with what we do (militarily wise) currently if we were just honest about it. Our leaders (political and military) trot out "Multipurpose combat capable military" when we are just barely hanging on to that mantra. I'd be impressed if the Government just came clean and said "We are doing the absolute minimum required because we know that when push comes to shove, the USA will do the job for us. We have no intention of increasing military expenditure and all new purchases will prioritize local jobs over combat capability."
That would be immensely refreshing.
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FSTO said:
That level of honesty would be very refreshing, on the other hand, given human history, I firmly believe we are due for a major conflict soon, and Canada is very much reactionary with defense spending, like both world wars, Korea, and even Afghanistan we were caught with our pants down saying "oh wait we need a military"
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Will a hammer on defence spending come down from new POTUS?
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Read between the lines?
Mark
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Read between the lines?
Mark
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According to this CP story, reproduced under the Fair Dealings provision of the Copyright Act, the MND has announced that Canada will be increasing defence spending. No indication of when and how much was made.
Canada will make new investments in defence, Sajjan says from Brussels
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/canada-will-make-new-investments-in-defence-sajjan-says/
By The Canadian Press — Feb 16 2017
OTTAWA — Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan says Canada is looking at significant new investments in defence that will follow the forthcoming release of its defence policy review.
Sajjan made the remarks today when asked about U.S. President Donald Trump's repeated complaints about NATO members failing to carry their share of the cost of the alliance.
Sajjan is in the middle of a series of defence meetings in Europe, including a gathering of NATO ministers.
Speaking to a teleconference from Brussels, he says he has spoken with U.S. Defence Secretary James Mattis, who stressed the importance of the NATO alliance.
Sajjan says Canada is demonstrating its commitment to NATO by contributing troops and leading a multinational NATO mission in Latvia as part of what is known as Operation Reassurance.
He says the policy review looked at Canadian defence needs for the next 20 years and that means more money — although he didn't say how much.
NATO says member states should aim to spend two per cent of GDP on defence. Canada now spends about one per cent.
"We knew that spending by the previous government was low and the defence policy review allowed us to do a thorough analysis of what was required," the minister said.
"Yes, this will require defence investments."
The government is looking at predictable, planned investments, he said.
"We in Canada need to be able to demonstrate a thorough plan and what type of defence investment is needed, because this is significant money that needs to be invested, but the Canadian taxpayer also requires us to make sure that we are efficient with the money."
As well as the NATO talks and a meeting with a counter-ISIL group led by Mattis, Sajjan also had bilateral meetings with the NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and ministers from Australia, France, Germany, Portugal, Slovenia and the United Kingdom.
He is heading to Germany for the Munich Security Conference, where senior decision-makers from around the world will discuss international security challenges.
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Canada will make new investments in defence, Sajjan says from Brussels
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/canada-will-make-new-investments-in-defence-sajjan-says/
By The Canadian Press — Feb 16 2017
OTTAWA — Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan says Canada is looking at significant new investments in defence that will follow the forthcoming release of its defence policy review.
Sajjan made the remarks today when asked about U.S. President Donald Trump's repeated complaints about NATO members failing to carry their share of the cost of the alliance.
Sajjan is in the middle of a series of defence meetings in Europe, including a gathering of NATO ministers.
Speaking to a teleconference from Brussels, he says he has spoken with U.S. Defence Secretary James Mattis, who stressed the importance of the NATO alliance.
Sajjan says Canada is demonstrating its commitment to NATO by contributing troops and leading a multinational NATO mission in Latvia as part of what is known as Operation Reassurance.
He says the policy review looked at Canadian defence needs for the next 20 years and that means more money — although he didn't say how much.
NATO says member states should aim to spend two per cent of GDP on defence. Canada now spends about one per cent.
"We knew that spending by the previous government was low and the defence policy review allowed us to do a thorough analysis of what was required," the minister said.
"Yes, this will require defence investments."
The government is looking at predictable, planned investments, he said.
"We in Canada need to be able to demonstrate a thorough plan and what type of defence investment is needed, because this is significant money that needs to be invested, but the Canadian taxpayer also requires us to make sure that we are efficient with the money."
As well as the NATO talks and a meeting with a counter-ISIL group led by Mattis, Sajjan also had bilateral meetings with the NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and ministers from Australia, France, Germany, Portugal, Slovenia and the United Kingdom.
He is heading to Germany for the Munich Security Conference, where senior decision-makers from around the world will discuss international security challenges.
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That sounds very positive, but hesitant to get my hopes up.....
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Old Sweat said:
That's great but will those "new investments" be in more serving members (other than admirals and colonels), in ships, tanks, aircraft, boots and logistics vehicles? or will they come from Professor Michael Byers' list?
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