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Yes your right,Lord Cardigan dressed the Light Brigade.
The Cardigan was the waist jacket worn ever the left shoulder in Light Cavelry Reg.‘s.
In the U.K. a button up sweater is still called a cardigan.
As for Blondie I‘ll hold comment as I‘ll get in trouble
But Numm Nummm Numm 
Michael Dorosh
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Great link, Colonel Goebel....!!!
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Ooop‘s I reread your post.
Forgive my presumption
.I have a friend who has collected old Military Post Card‘s of all the old Regiment‘s in full parade dress and I was over at his place to night and I‘m trying to convince him to post them here as they will settle many argument‘s that we have and are having.
He and I argued about the Busby also.
Big mistake!! He pull‘s out his book‘s and his collection of post card‘s and goes your wrong but right!LOL
Some of his Post Card‘s go back to 1901 with stamp‘s and the message‘s on the back‘s!
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These are the books I looked through.
1. Uniforms of great Armys of the World. Galley Books
2. Uniforms of the British Empire 1700-present (1980s)Brook Books
3. Uniforms of Europian Armies. a lil old Royal Books
4. History of the British Army. Britainy Books
1. Uniforms of great Armys of the World. Galley Books
2. Uniforms of the British Empire 1700-present (1980s)Brook Books
3. Uniforms of Europian Armies. a lil old Royal Books
4. History of the British Army. Britainy Books
I think I know what you are referring to - re: Red tunic, black vest and pants and I‘ve uploaded a picture (of two of us) so attired here:
http://www.paradesquare.ca/bpcrr/messkit.jpg
This is a "customary" Officers‘ Mess Kit c.2003 and is not issued to the CF, rather the member must order it made according to CF Specs. ($500 - $1000). Fortuitous for many, the standard walking-out dress with white shirt, bow tie and decorations, are always acceptable at formal mess functions.
http://www.paradesquare.ca/bpcrr/messkit.jpg
This is a "customary" Officers‘ Mess Kit c.2003 and is not issued to the CF, rather the member must order it made according to CF Specs. ($500 - $1000). Fortuitous for many, the standard walking-out dress with white shirt, bow tie and decorations, are always acceptable at formal mess functions.
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Mess kit/dress is the military equivalent to "black tie" (or even "white tie", which is pretty uncommon). It is the most ostentatious and formal order of dress, normally worn for evening events. Usually, only officers attend these sorts of events, and so it is uncommon to find NCM‘s wearing it. But it does occur, I‘m sure.
A regiment‘s ‘scarlets‘ or Full Dress is the equivalent of "Morning Dress" or "Formal Day Dress", and is normally worn for day-time events such as a formal church parade, Remembrance Day ceremony, etc. This is the next most-formal style of dress, and I am sure that some regiments don‘t have them because of budgetary reasons.
DEU‘s are like wearing a business suit, and are suitable for the majority of occasions and events.
And we all know and love our everyday working dress... combats.
I know, I know, there used to be all sorts of variations and orders of dress, but this is the best I can summarize our current orders of dress as they are right now.
And, I didn‘t even bother including navy/air force, as I know nothing about either. I have seen navy reservists dressed up formally only once, and they appeared to have some sort of double-breasted black coat with shiny brass buttons, but have no idea if that‘s as formal as it gets for them.
A regiment‘s ‘scarlets‘ or Full Dress is the equivalent of "Morning Dress" or "Formal Day Dress", and is normally worn for day-time events such as a formal church parade, Remembrance Day ceremony, etc. This is the next most-formal style of dress, and I am sure that some regiments don‘t have them because of budgetary reasons.
DEU‘s are like wearing a business suit, and are suitable for the majority of occasions and events.
And we all know and love our everyday working dress... combats.
I know, I know, there used to be all sorts of variations and orders of dress, but this is the best I can summarize our current orders of dress as they are right now.
And, I didn‘t even bother including navy/air force, as I know nothing about either. I have seen navy reservists dressed up formally only once, and they appeared to have some sort of double-breasted black coat with shiny brass buttons, but have no idea if that‘s as formal as it gets for them.
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No one does uniforms better than the United States Marine Corps...here is a good chart explaining the complexities of dress states pretty similar to ours.
USMC Dress Regs
USMC Dress Regs
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Portiscully Guy, Senior NCO‘s can were Mess Dress, I have seen the RSM and Mac wearing it at some point. We also have the Patrol Dress (Dress Blues) it is rarely seen anymore, you have to get it at your own expense. You will sometimes see an officer wearing at Rememberance day (The Honourary Colonel wears it). But junior ranks wear it too. Last time was the 110th anniversay.
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Hey nice to see you on here Falcon... err... Cpl...
Apparently, I‘ve been told, that mess dress is authorized for jr‘s as well, but good luck ever needing to. I haven‘t yet seen anyone wearing the Dress Blues, and I would imagine they cost a load. Is it still with the kilt?
Apparently, I‘ve been told, that mess dress is authorized for jr‘s as well, but good luck ever needing to. I haven‘t yet seen anyone wearing the Dress Blues, and I would imagine they cost a load. Is it still with the kilt?
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Yup everything is with the kilt, as for the cost of the dress blues, i have no clue. All I know is you can get them at Richardsons. Probably 500-2000. And no need to use rank here
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I get the distinct impression that I‘m walking into the lion‘s den here but I‘ll throw down my 2c anyways.
The original confusion seems to have come from the distinction between Mess Dress and Full Dress.
Mess dress is always worn open with a shirt + bowtie and the jacket has tails on it.
Full Dress is buttoned up short jacket without tails.
Also earlier, someone was referring to the pillbox as a Kepi. As far as I know, Kepi is french for wedge. Just thought I‘d add to the confusion.
Also a quick question. For those of us too poor to own mess kit, at mess dinners we wear #1 dress with a white shirt and a bowtie. Can you wear a wingtip shirt or does it have to be a normal collar?
The original confusion seems to have come from the distinction between Mess Dress and Full Dress.
Mess dress is always worn open with a shirt + bowtie and the jacket has tails on it.
Full Dress is buttoned up short jacket without tails.
Also earlier, someone was referring to the pillbox as a Kepi. As far as I know, Kepi is french for wedge. Just thought I‘d add to the confusion.
Also a quick question. For those of us too poor to own mess kit, at mess dinners we wear #1 dress with a white shirt and a bowtie. Can you wear a wingtip shirt or does it have to be a normal collar?
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Yup, it‘s a lion‘s den. ;-)
Current standard pattern Army mess dress does not have tails on either the red doeskin or the white linen (optional summer variation)jackets. The red is worn with waistcoat, the white with regimental cummerbund.
Full dress, to simplify the description, is the replica dress of the british army‘s ‘redcoat‘, standard soldier attire well into the 19th Century. Length approximately to the hips, full buttoned with regimental buttons, high closed collar.
My French-English dictionary actually translayes "kepi" as a "peaked cap." This would be, then, a forage cap with fairly rigid body and a visor, of which we can find many variations on the actual design.
And the issue of wingtip versus full collar with Mess Kit or service dress - that is usually in accordance with regimental custom. Some regiments have detailed one or the other in their Regimental Standing orders to ensure some degree of conformity.
Mike
Current standard pattern Army mess dress does not have tails on either the red doeskin or the white linen (optional summer variation)jackets. The red is worn with waistcoat, the white with regimental cummerbund.
Full dress, to simplify the description, is the replica dress of the british army‘s ‘redcoat‘, standard soldier attire well into the 19th Century. Length approximately to the hips, full buttoned with regimental buttons, high closed collar.
My French-English dictionary actually translayes "kepi" as a "peaked cap." This would be, then, a forage cap with fairly rigid body and a visor, of which we can find many variations on the actual design.
And the issue of wingtip versus full collar with Mess Kit or service dress - that is usually in accordance with regimental custom. Some regiments have detailed one or the other in their Regimental Standing orders to ensure some degree of conformity.
Mike
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