LPC leadership race - 2025

[FSTO]

I find it somewhat humorous that the ones who stood by and cheered (or worse, said nothing) during the year of half-masting, statue destructions, Canada is a genocidal state, etc are now wrapping themselves in the flag of said genocidal nation.

Would be nice that during the land acknowledgments they’d also acknowledge their hypocrisy.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

I've already conceded your point, I don't owe you a line by line justification of various polices.

And I stand by my counter. You can disagree with it all you'd like. O'Toole lost in no small part because the party and country rejected his ideas. JT continued to win, one must assume with the party in support of his ideas; inclusive of post nationalism. The strength in that specific belief will never be known.

We are both assuming.

Voting for one party or another is taking a bus route, not calling for an Uber.

You can get in a close enough range that you are comfortable having to walk the distance to your destination; but its extremely rare that you're getting door to door service. I also know clearly that the Route 9 is the completely opposite direction of where I want to go, so I don’t get on it; even if its a popular route with other riders.

I don't agree with every policy or thought or soundbite a party leader or platform claims to make. I look at the options, figure out "enh...close enough...." and cast my ballot like anyone else.

If I were to stomp my foot that every politician was "woke" or "said this one thing this one time in this weird context"; I'd be spoiling my ballot every 5 years from here to eternity.

 

[Remius]

I've already conceded your point, I don't owe you a line by line justification of various polices.

You don’t. But you countered.

And I stand by my counter. You can disagree with it all you'd like.

I don’t disagree with what you said. I disagree that it is a counter to your original argument’s fallacy.

O'Toole lost in no small part because the party and country rejected his ideas. JT continued to win, one must assume with the party in support of his ideas; inclusive of post nationalism. The strength in that specific belief will never be known.

That argument was not in play. If you prefer to say his party members members support his statements and policies then yes. That has nothing to do with what voters may support or oppose.

But, the Liberals just ousted their leader just like the conservatives ousted theirs. And the country looked like it was going to do the same if he had stayed on.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Be interesting if only women voted.

What would be interesting about it?

 

[mariomike]

What would be interesting about it?

I wondered if much had changed since 2020.

The biggest divide in Canadian politics? Men vs. Women.
Philippe J. Fournier: If only men voted, the Liberal and Conservatives would be in a statistical tie. Only women: the Liberals win a crushing 226 seats.

Or, since 2023.

The next election will be a battle of the sexes

Pierre Poilievre enjoys a commanding lead over Justin Trudeau’s Liberals among young men, Albertans and those without a post-secondary education. But when it comes to women, polls consistently put him well behind, writes columnist Max Fawcett.

www.nationalobserver.com

But when it comes to women, polls consistently put him well behind both the Liberals and Jagmeet Singh’s NDP.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Its funny how patriotic the post nation state crowd suddenly got eh ?

Like I have said before. Nothing ignites national passion in leftie Canadians like a new reason to hate the USA.

I hope USA wins on Thursday. I despise the game of hockey, its a cancer on our country, and I love watching Canadian heads explode when Canada loses some meaningless hockey game.

I had to Google what post nation state meant so my option may not be worth much lol

But yes the sudden "patriotism" is funny to me. The anti-American fever I'm seeing on social media is interesting. Especially when you look at the posting history of the loudest voices. Lots of people proudly boasting how they will make Americans suffer for every inch of land taken also don't think Canadians should have semi-automatic rifles and we shouldn't spend money on police and military. Or at least believed that up until the fever kicked in.

Canadians live in the US shadow. The first response our prime minister said when asked how Canada defines itself was "We're not American". That's a weak and pathetic response IMO. Unfortunately that's likely the first response for many "proud" Canadians.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I had to Google what post nation state meant so my option may not be worth much lol

Fair.

But yes the sudden "patriotism" is funny to me. The anti-American fever I'm seeing on social media is interesting. Especially when you look at the posting history of the loudest voices. Lots of people proudly boasting how they will make Americans suffer for every inch of land taken also don't think Canadians should have semi-automatic rifles and we shouldn't spend money on police and military. Or at least believed that up until the fever kicked in.

This. My feeling is this patriotism is a mile wide and an inch deep.

Canadians live in the US shadow. The first response our prime minister said when asked how Canada defines itself was "We're not American". That's a weak and pathetic response IMO. Unfortunately that's likely the first response for many "proud" Canadians.

I agree. I would have preferred a more diplomatic approach like,

'we appreciate the US interest in combining our two great nations, but at this time we will have to decline the offer. We do how ever look forward to continuing trade talks in hopes to continue to strengthen our long and mutually beneficial friendship; and we recognize we have work to do to strengthen our border and military forces'.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I wondered if much had changed since 2020.



Or, since 2023.

The next election will be a battle of the sexes

Pierre Poilievre enjoys a commanding lead over Justin Trudeau’s Liberals among young men, Albertans and those without a post-secondary education. But when it comes to women, polls consistently put him well behind, writes columnist Max Fawcett.

www.nationalobserver.com

Looks like if "only women voted" we would have another 10 years of Liberals, but with them in a majority.

Do you think all these women are going to vote for a woman Liberal party leader?

 

[mariomike]

Looks like if "only women voted" we would have another 10 years of Liberals, but with them in a majority.

Do you think all these women are going to vote for a woman Liberal party leader?

I'll let someone else do the man-splaining about who "all these women" should vote for.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I agree. I would have preferred a more diplomatic approach like,

'we appreciate the US interest in combining our two great nations, but at this time we will have to decline the offer. We do how ever look forward to continuing trade talks in hopes to continue to strengthen our long and mutually beneficial friendship; and we recognize we have work to do to strengthen our border and military forces'.

The only one responsible for Trumps continued bullshit is Trump.

That said I suspect if Canadians would have ignored Trump's 51st state commentary, and not responded so emotionally, Trump wouldn't have gotten the dopamine reaction trolls get by upsetting people and moved on.

Our media is inundated with Trump articles; it's like every time he takes a shit a Canadian journalist is right there writing a story about it.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I'll let someone else do the man-splaining about who "all these women" should vote for.

But I didn't ask who they should vote for. I asked if you think these women, who you often point out don't vote conservative, will vote in a female party leader.

It seems like a perfectly reasonable question in line with you saying it would be interesting if only women voted, that's all.

 

[Remius]

The only one responsible for Trumps continued bullshit is Trump.

And he did say he would do what he would do despite apologists saying he doesn’t really mean what he means.

That said I suspect if Canadians would have ignored Trump's 51st state commentary, and not responded so emotionally, Trump wouldn't have gotten the dopamine reaction trolls get by upsetting people and moved on.

When it was just a joke and troll they more or less ignored it. It all really took form when tariffs became real and the joke was no longer a joke.

Our media is inundated with Trump articles; it's like every time he takes a shit a Canadian journalist is right there writing a story about it.

Pretty sure other countries cover trump as well. Given our proximity it makes sense too.

 

[Good2Golf]

Do you think all these women are going to vote for a woman Liberal party leader?

One would think women would vote for an empowered, strong woman with a proven political performance.

It would be surprising if women en masse voted for a wealthy grey-haired man who wears $2000 casual shoes/sneakers.

 

[Remius]

One would think women would vote for an empowered, strong woman with a proven political performance.

Why?

It would be surprising if women en masse voted for a wealthy grey-haired man who wears $2000 casual shoes/sneakers.

Again why?

I think women as a whole are a bit more sophisticated in their voting preferences and why they vote.

 

[QV]

The only one responsible for Trumps continued bullshit is Trump.

That said I suspect if Canadians would have ignored Trump's 51st state commentary, and not responded so emotionally, Trump wouldn't have gotten the dopamine reaction trolls get by upsetting people and moved on.

Our media is inundated with Trump articles; it's like every time he takes a shit a Canadian journalist is right there writing a story about it.

As more details emerge, I hypothesize there is a significant number of Americans working behind closed doors pushing this thing. Trump is just the public face of it and is championing it as POTUS because it briefed well in his mind. I doubt it was ever his idea to begin with, but he sees the value in a more tightly united North America especially in today's security and economic climate.

I also suspect that once the question of who will temporarily replace Trudeau is settled, there might be more serious and detailed discussions on the arcs of negotiating what is actually being sought which I think will land somewhere between a far more integrated relationship up to and including 51st statehood. I gather Canada will vigorously oppose statehood in any form. But I'm curious what other concessions might be on the table and where we will eventually land.

I do not see Canada succeeding in any prosperous way inside the next decade without closer integration with the US in both the economy and defense.

 

[suffolkowner]

women score high on empathy
men score high on sociopathology
relative to each other make of that what you will

im confused why people would assume that the so called post nationalists are the ones with a renewed display of patriotism. Is there evidence of this?
Are we to take the corollary of this that the non post nationalists are not patriotic? Or do we expect this patriotism to show up when faced with a non American threat? Look at the numbers of people that would fight for their country-non Canadians-Ukrainians even-by that score every country would be conquered by another. We know this is incorrect and a ridiculous statement. However perhaps only a small minority are driving the process?

 

[Jarnhamar]

And he did say he would do what he would do despite apologists saying he doesn’t really mean what he means.

Of course. Trump says a lot of stuff, like he was imposing Tariffs for Canada on 1 Feb 2025.

When it was just a joke and troll they more or less ignored it. It all really took form when tariffs became real and the joke was no longer a joke.

People more or less ignoring it wasn't what I witnessed. YMMV of course.

Pretty sure other countries cover trump as well. Given our proximity it makes sense too.

Right on both counts. It's a major issue here no doubt about that. It still seems to reach into the realm of obsessive to me. Maybe I'm just being overly dramatic about it.

 

[suffolkowner]

One would think women would vote for an empowered, strong woman with a proven political performance.

It would be surprising if women en masse voted for a wealthy grey-haired man who wears $2000 casual shoes/sneakers.

if i had to bet i would bet the opposite. Intrasexual competition

 

[Good2Golf]

Why?

Again why?

I think women as a whole are a bit more sophisticated in their voting preferences and why they vote.

Qualified from my own experiences, if there are similarly qualified individuals, I have seen women predominantly choose the women over the man. In this specific case, I would argue/posit that this is a Carney vs Freeland scenario. Are you saying it would be unsophisticated for women to bias a decision towards another women? Do you think this is the case for politics? Business? Social
Interaction?

if i had to bet i would bet the opposite. Intrasexual competition

I wouldn’t. While there could be intragender competition amongst women, in no way would I assume/bet/anticipate a bias toward favouring automatically a man over a woman.

 

[Remius]

Qualified from my own experiences, if there are similarly qualified individuals, I have seen women predominantly choose the women over the man. In this specific case, I would argue/posit that this is a Carney vs Freeland scenario. Are you saying it would be unsophisticated for women to bias a decision towards another women?

If it superficial things like shoes and hair yes.

Do you think this is the case for politics? Business? Social
Interaction?

One has to look at comments from people like Clinton criticizing women who voted for trump. They had their reasons but she turned off a lot of women because she assumed women should vote on gender lines rather than policy preferences.