Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Just to add to this, it may be $5000 but that us the account limit, (1) any single transaction over $1000 has to go to brigade for authorization.

(2) We very much do this to our selves, I would also argue our supply management system is outdated and control is too centralized. Perhaps we should ask the private sector to audit us and see where we can fund improvements?

(1) That must be a local condition set by your Fin folks, we don't have to do that out here.

(2) There is nothing wrong with DRMIS, although I will say its way to complicated for what we need. Material Management is not rocket science. Back to DRMIS its only has accurate and useful as the user who's inputting data and doing the transactions.

The big change is that now commands need to understand is that we have 24/7 connectivity using deployed DRMIS. So Supply sections have to be let to do their work now while underway. Which is much different from days gone by.

 

[Halifax Tar]

If he feels like he isn't trusted, perhaps he could look inwardly at that and ask why fully trained and experienced MM Techs (formerly known as Sup Techs) in the Canadian Army aren't trusted to let out more than a $5000 competitive contract. Everyone talking about how we don't have enough people/capacity? Well guess what, we're doing it to ourselves when we've got a trade for this and we won't let them do what we trained them to do because we don't trust them.... because some idiots in Division and Army HQs think that a "contracting irregularity" is some huge institutional risk (it's not) and so we should just hamstring ourselves so we don't have to staff a fucking form to get signed.

I think it might be worth creating either a new trade for procurement or a sub occupation specialty in Supply; perhaps a duel stream for FSAs and MMTs ? The procurement world is big and complicated, we might do better with dedicated folks.

 

[MilEME09]

I think it might be worth creating either a new trade for procurement or a sub occupation specialty in Supply; perhaps a duel stream for FSAs and MMTs ? The procurement world is big and complicated, we might do better with dedicated folks.

Or perhaps procurement needs it's own trade?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Or perhaps procurement needs it's own trade?

Why does it need to be a uniformed, CAF occupation?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Or perhaps procurement needs it's own trade?

That's what I said. Or a sub occ.

Why does it need to be a uniformed, CAF occupation?

Because we do procurement and contracting while deployed.

 

[Kirkhill]

Or perhaps procurement needs it's own trade?

Is that a FIN trade or a Supply Trade?

Does it start with the Bn Pay Clerk or the CQ? I think there is an argument that the CQ's shop is the one that should be taking the lead in "procurement". That job is to procure those things that the sub-unit needs to do its job. Does the CQ have a cash budget to make good shortfalls from the local economy if the official supply chain is found wanting?

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

That's what I said. Or a sub occ.



Because we do procurement and contracting while deployed.

Pretty big deal on Ship. So many Parts!

 

[Halifax Tar]

Is that a FIN trade or a Supply Trade?

Does it start with the Bn Pay Clerk or the CQ? I think there is an argument that the CQ's shop is the one that should be taking the lead in "procurement". That job is to procure those things that the sub-unit needs to do its job. Does the CQ have a cash budget to make good shortfalls from the local economy if the official supply chain is found wanting?

I think it might be worth creating either a new trade for procurement or a sub occupation specialty in Supply; perhaps a duel stream for FSAs and MMTs ? The procurement world is big and complicated, we might do better with dedicated folks.

 

[MilEME09]

Is that a FIN trade or a Supply Trade?

Does it start with the Bn Pay Clerk or the CQ? I think there is an argument that the CQ's shop is the one that should be taking the lead in "procurement". That job is to procure those things that the sub-unit needs to do its job. Does the CQ have a cash budget to make good shortfalls from the local economy if the official supply chain is found wanting?

Depends on SOAs, certain items the CAF has contracts for to use certain suppliers. If something is not in a SOA for a supplier, you can local purchase where ever you want.

It would need to be a hybrid of fin and supply.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Depends on SOAs, certain items the CAF has contracts for to use certain suppliers. If something is not in a SOA for a supplier, you can local purchase where ever you want.

It would need to be a hybrid of fin and supply.

Do you have experience in CAF contracting ? You're wildly inaccurate.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Pretty big deal on Ship. So many Parts!

Not parts. Units are not funded to buy their own spare parts. That is one of the the jobs of ADM(MAT), the CFSS is theirs to keep stocked.

 

[MilEME09]

Do you have experience in CAF contracting ? You're wildly inaccurate.

Working directly our LPO on several occasions for both purchasing for courses, and maintenance. This is how it was explained to me, so if my information is incorrect, my apologies

 

[Halifax Tar]

Working directly our LPO on several occasions for both purchasing for courses, and maintenance. This is how it was explained to me, so if my information is incorrect, my apologies

Non needed. Just a friendly conversation.

Depends on SOAs, certain items the CAF has contracts for to use certain suppliers. If something is not in a SOA for a supplier, you can local purchase where ever you want.

It would need to be a hybrid of fin and supply.

An SOA is only a preestablished agreement with a supplier for specific material or types of material.

A piece of material not being on an SOA does not equate it to buy where every you want. The only things that should be procured locally are consumable items, that wont have become a reoccurring contract and that aren't already supplied through the CFSS.

 

[McG]

I think it might be worth creating either a new trade for procurement or a sub occupation specialty in Supply; perhaps a duel stream for FSAs and MMTs ? The procurement world is big and complicated, we might do better with dedicated folks.

Or perhaps procurement needs it's own trade?

Why does it need to be a uniformed, CAF occupation?

We also send DCC into deployed theatres to do infrastructure planning and contracting. If the environment is stable enough that the local economy is a substantial source for our sustainment but causes a requirement for specialist procurement officers, then the environment is probably safe enough for us to send civilians.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

I think we should just outsource our entire Military to Halliburton and Kellogg Brown & Root. It would probably be more cost effective

 

[Halifax Tar]

We also send DCC into deployed theatres to do infrastructure planning and contracting. If the environment is stable enough that the local economy is a substantial source for our sustainment but causes a requirement for specialist procurement officers, then the environment is probably safe enough for us to send civilians.

I dunno. I suppose, if that's what you think.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

I dunno. I suppose, if that's what you think.

I like how the main suggestion is that we should do the same thing over again:

Outsource to civilian positions

When it is that exact thing which has made DND such an epic soup sandwich.

Clearly we need to keep doing that. I think we should make every single position a civilian, that will surely improve our combat performance

 

[Halifax Tar]

I like how the main suggestion is that we should do the same thing over again:

Outsource to civilian positions

When it is that exact thing which has made DND such an epic soup sandwich.

Clearly we need to keep doing that. I think we should make every single position a civilian, that will surely improve our combat performance

I agree, just not a position I'm interested in debating.

 

[McG]

There is a point between the extremes of everyone is civilian and “we need combat shoppers.”

 

[Underway]

Financial, intellectual, political, familial, criminal, financial.....

Australia is still way more in bed with China still than we ever will be. I used to live there. It dominates everything they do and their immigration as well.

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