Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Kirkhill]

So how do we get to this magical realm where Canadian laws around procurement, TBS policies, Cabinet direction, international treaty obligations (CITT) etc etc all don't apply and we can just 'go buy shit'. Even in Afghanistan a lot of big procurements still followed basic rules, and a lot of that equipment was a one time use until breakage.

Nothing personal, but pretty tired of people who have no idea of what's involve just say 'do better'. Sure, the current system sucks, but unless the PM, PMO and Cabinet basically burn the current system to the ground and do a complete, GoC wide reform we have to work within it. People working within that system are doing a lot of work to try and jump through all the bullshit and catch a lot of flak about the results, but you can't expect someone to put in Olympic qualifying times if you weight them down, tie their limbs together, and maybe shoot them a few times for good measure. And that's without even having political interference with big ticket items (like the F35).

There is also a lot of downsides to having a mix and match fleet, one off items, and corners cut in procurements to not provide basics like training, spares or repair lines, especially on ships where it has to be integrated into a few millions parts moving in the same general direction.

What rules is Ukraine following? I know their circumstances are different than ours. But that is the point surely. We have created this situation. We have it in our power to change the situation. And still follow international rules.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Well well well, now we know where the exact 6.1$ billion over 5yrs for the CAF is coming from.

Ottawa’s tax on banks and life insurers to deliver $6.1-billion over five years,​

Ottawa’s tax on banks and life insurers to deliver $6.1-billion over five years, 40 per cent less than Liberal campaign pledge

After months of uncertainty on Bay Street, the Liberals released the final details of these tax changes in their federal budget on Thursday, and the total blow is less severe than the initial pledge

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Brad Sallows]

"Hi, we're the GoC and we're passing along some money to you (DND) that we got from pinching the employees and shareholders of banks and insurance companies. Hopefully they'll be angry at us and not at you."

 

[Good2Golf]

"Hi, we're the GoC and we're passing along some money to you (DND) that we got from pinching the employees and shareholders of banks and insurance companies. Hopefully they'll be angry at us and not at you."

Indeed. Already, the experts as gaslighting are setting up a false dichotomy.

Of course we know that taxes come into general revenue and expenditures come from the totality of the Main and Supplemental Estimates, so there is of course no such thing as the bank/insurance tax going to fund DND, but not beyond the Government to sow the seeds of discontent from one against another…

 

[Czech_pivo]

Indeed. Already, the experts as gaslighting are setting up a false dichotomy.

Of course we know that taxes come into general revenue and expenditures come from the totality of the Main and Supplemental Estimates, so there is of course no such thing as the bank/insurance tax going to fund DND, but not beyond the Government to sow the seeds of discontent from one against another…

Now if they can only get the Bank's project management teams set up at DND..... says I tongue in cheek

 

[Edward Campbell]

"Hi, we're the GoC and we're passing along some money to you (DND) that we got from pinching the employees and shareholders of banks and insurance companies. Hopefully they'll be angry at us and not at you."

"Hi, we're the GoC and we're passing along some money to you (DND) that we got from pinching the employees and shareholders of banks and insurance companies. Hopefully they'll be angry at us and not at you."

Those shareholders would be just about every flippin' pension plan in Canada.

 

[OldSolduer]

"Hi, we're the GoC and we're passing along some money to you (DND) that we got from pinching the employees and shareholders of banks and insurance companies. Hopefully they'll be angry at us and not at you."

Those shareholders would be just about every flippin' pension plan in Canada.

Correct and now I am in receipt of CPP and CFSA - plus RRSPs etc this is robbery.

WHILE I am on the soapbox hit WalMart, Amazon, Pfizer, Loblaws etc and have them pay their fair share too. All these industries/businesses made obscene profits during the pandemic. Add more if you choose to.

The ones that aren't making out so good are small businesses.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Those shareholders would be just about every flippin' pension plan in Canada.

You're singing my song. To a corporation, taxes are just numbers on the liability side, along with wages and benefits, dividends, and other costs of whatever it is they do. More of one squeezes the others. Retarding wage/benefit and/or retirement savings growth isn't any kind of public good.

 

[Czech_pivo]

"Hi, we're the GoC and we're passing along some money to you (DND) that we got from pinching the employees and shareholders of banks and insurance companies. Hopefully they'll be angry at us and not at you."

Those shareholders would be just about every flippin' pension plan in Canada.

I don't believe this current Cabinet has a single member that has spent anytime working on Bay Street (or Montreal finance) in any manner whatsoever. It would be interesting to see if this is the first time in Canadian history that this has occurred.

To me, it does clearly state the direction/thought process of this current government.

 

[Brad Sallows]

obscene profits

What part of profits are obscene? The part paid out in wage/benefit gains? Dividends? Reinvestment to increase productive output? Paying down debt that paid for past investment? Setting money aside for future contingencies?

 

[OldSolduer]

What part of profits are obscene? The part paid out in wage/benefit gains? Dividends? Reinvestment to increase productive output? Paying down debt that paid for past investment? Setting money aside for future contingencies?

When XXX Corporation announces that they X billions in profits yet their employees are treated like dog crap. That is obscene.

I have no issue with making money - but some of this needs to be looked at,

 

[Brad Sallows]

Deja vu. (I've written what follows, before.) Unless someone can point to some ill use of "profits", there's no criticism such as "too much was paid into (say) dividends (in many cases, retirement savings) and not enough into increased compensation".

 

[dapaterson]

The government has also put in a strategic program review. Looking for $1B in 24/25, $2B in 25/26, and $3B recurring after that. (Budget chapter 9).

Not all from DND, (obviously), but it's good news that there is an intent to reduce spending.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Yes, now if only they can get the order of magnitude correct.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

The money is going to get largely eaten up by Inflation and cost increases.

It isn't going to even put a dent in the gaping holes.

 

[Good2Golf]

The money is going to get largely eaten up by Inflation and cost increases.

It isn't going to even put a dent in the gaping holes.

Yup, inflation may even be more than this meager plus-up…

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Yup, inflation may even be more than this meager plus-up…

That's why it's pointless even talking about this. From what I can see, there is no need to even rewrite SSE because this new funding we are receiving is simply status quo.

 

[SupersonicMax]

That's why it's pointless even talking about this. From what I can see, there is no need to even rewrite SSE because this new funding we are receiving is simply status quo.

Global Affairs first needs to articulates a national WoG strategy and decide where our areas of interest lie and how we’ll defend those interests. Only then can a military strategy can be devised. Anything else is really just guess work.

 

[Jarnhamar]

this new funding we are receiving

Reminds me of my RSM "promising" me a certain posting. Next conversation; "I've never met you before".

 

[MilEME09]

Global Affairs first needs to articulates a national WoG strategy and decide where our areas of interest lie and how we’ll defend those interests. Only then can a military strategy can be devised. Anything else is really just guess work.

Basically we blind and try to Swiss army knife the policy and be vague so it doesn't seem wrong