Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[DBNSG]

Earlier I said I was concerned that Mark Carney would be a conservative Prime Minister, in the sense that he would try to conserve the green policies that he has been promoting for decades.

Now, I start to wonder. Second-guessing myself again.

Carney has been tightly woven with the WEF/Davos/EU/City of London/Bloomberg set. That set is now suddenly developing some strong pragmatic impulses - Military Debt, Clean Natural Gas, Nuclear Power, the benefit of Nuclear Weapons - all seem reasonable now.

It will be curious to see how far the wind cocks that weather vane. It has already converted the remnants of the Trudeau cabinet.

If the Trudeau cabinet had really got the message they would have dusted off General Eyre's Munition upgrade plans.
Liberals are not equipped intellectually, spiritually , or technically to swing around from victim industries to military.

 

[JLB50]

I think the only LPC leadership candidate who would significantly increase our defence industry is Freeland, possibly because of her Ukrainian roots. I’ll give her that.

 

[Good2Golf]

Another reason to look to South Korea, for both their Surface to Surface ordinance (truck, ship and sub launched) and their Surface to Air ordinance

KM-SAM - Wikipedia

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L-SAM - Wikipedia

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KP-SAM Chiron - Wikipedia

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Although the Germans, French, Swedes and Brits all have some good Manpad and Short to Medium range stuff.

LIG Nex1 makes an incredibly wide range of defence capabilities, worthy of consideration.

LIG Nex1

변화와 혁신으로 미래를 디자인하는 글로벌 기술 기업

www.lignex1.com

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Yeah

I think the only LPC leadership candidate who would significantly increase our defence industry is Freeland, possibly because of her Ukrainian roots. I’ll give her that.

, but she'd give it all to Ukraine

 

[JLB50]

You

Yeah
, but she'd give it all to Ukraine

could be right on that.

 

[Kirkhill]

Further to the "rethink" that is going on wrt defence spending internationally...

Missiles and fighter jets are ethical investments, Labour MPs tell banks

Backbenchers claim British support to Ukraine held back by ‘outdated’ guidelines

www.telegraph.co.uk

Pension savings to be spent on rearming Britain in defence push

City leaders are working with ministers to funnel retirement funds into the arms industry

www.telegraph.co.uk

And in a tangentially related issue

Labour has been a great proponent of the Quangos, NGOs that operate outside of government but tie government's hands. One of those Quangos has just given sentencing advice similar to Canada's, insofar as judges are being required to take into account colour, religion, class, upbringing before coming down with a sentence. This has been decried as two-tier justice. The Justice Secretary, a muslim woman, Shabana Mahmood, agrees and has called for the advice to be withdrawn or she will introduce law over-riding the Quango. This would, IMO, be a good thing. Only the Labour Party can dismantle the Quango system. If it is even marginally contemplating that, while promoting defence, that suggests to me a distinct change in the weather. One of the Quangos is the Climate Change Committee that rules on Net Zero compliance. More and more of their guidance is being set aside.

Another reason to be curious as to what the winner of Sunday's LPC vote has to say for themselves. The carbon tax has already gone with the wind as has open borders immigration.

 

[Kirkhill]

Some of Britain’s biggest pension firms have been accused of blocking Britain’s plans to boost defence in the wake of the Ukraine war.

Aviva, Royal London and the National Employment Savings Trust (Nest) are among a group of pension giants that restrict or block investment in the defence industry on “ethical” grounds.

The companies, which provide pensions to millions of Britons, say the restrictions apply to select funds and offer customers choice.

However, the fact that defence is excluded on claimed ethical grounds has alarmed ministers and is likely to provoke anger among some customers.

Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor, is understood to agree that investment in the British defence sector is ethical. She is working on plans to make it easier for investors to see if environmental, social and governance (ESG) funds exclude military spending.

A Treasury spokesman said on Thursday night: “If opaque ESG ratings are blocking vital private investment to our defence sector, this has to change.”

Top pension funds refuse to back defence industry

Aviva, Royal London and Nest among firms that restrict investment on ‘ethical’ grounds

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[CountDC]

CAF wide used to be 50km, then it was changed in the 90's, I was assuming that there was still some sort of regulation about distance away from ones duty station.

Thought that was the case. Old school stuff.

I lot of units/bases still use 50 km (with some gerrymandering) as the guideline in determining their local area.

interesting considering there are national instructions in regards to local area (geographical boundaries). Regardless that has nothing to do with leave as we are no longer restricted by it. We can travel anywhere in Canada on our own time as long as we are able to make it back on time for work.

Just to be pedantic, 3 PPCLI was never stationed in Chilliwack. They were at Work Point Barracks in Victoria, which was also closed. 1 CER, CFSME, and CFOCS were in Chilliwack at the time of closure. The only remaining military presence in Chilliwack that I am aware of is the HQ of 39 CER which is housed in the former 1 CER HQ building.

39 CER HQ, 54 ES, i forget the infantry unit that expanded there in i think 2014/2015, an MP det, a clothing stores, CMT and real property sect are what I remember there in 2016.

I see some good points made here on this site and truly enjoy reading them. Have to admit some have resulted in me rethinking my stand on things while others have reinforced my own beliefs. Thank you all regardless of if we agree or not.

 

[ytz]

Yeah
, but she'd give it all to Ukraine

And? Honestly, we'd be better off if the Ukrainians absolutely crushed the Russian hoarde in the field. That would buy everybody else a lot more time.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Just to be pedantic, 3 PPCLI was never stationed in Chilliwack. They were at Work Point Barracks in Victoria, which was also closed. 1 CER, CFSME, and CFOCS were in Chilliwack at the time of closure. The only remaining military presence in Chilliwack that I am aware of is the HQ of 39 CER which is housed in the former 1 CER HQ building.

3 PPCLI was based in Chilliwack in the 10/90 years - 94-97

 

[Breacher]

3 PPCLI was based in Chilliwack in the 10/90 years - 94-97

Maybe I'm getting old. I was in Chilliwack 93-96 and don't recall seeing any Patricias stationed there (except for staff positions at CFOCS and CFSME). Perhaps it was the reserve element of the 10/90? I would have thought I would have noticed if the whole battalion had showed up. I guess I could have been blinded by the fact that at the time Chilliwack was the home of the Engineers.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Maybe I'm getting old. I was in Chilliwack 93-96 and don't recall seeing any Patricias stationed there. Perhaps it was the reserve element of the 10/90? I would have thought I would have noticed if the whole battalion had showed up. I guess I could have been blinded by the fact that at the time Chilliwack was the home of the Engineers.

The Bn HQ (and Adm?) were in Chilliwack. The sub units were the Reserve units. I was in Kamloops with the RMRang through some of that

 

[Sprinting Thistle]

Bn HQ and admin was definitely in Chilliwack. Each BC Inf Res unit had a 3VP cadre attached (usually 1 x offr and 2-3 snr NCOs and a few NCMs) with an assigned capability. Can Scots in Victoria were supposed to be pioneer, Westies in Van were TOW, RM Rang were recce. Can't remember what the Seaforths were assigned. When 3 VP was stood back up in Edmonton, the cadres departed and only the RSS was left behind.

 

[FJAG]

If anyone is interested in more information on the 10/90 concept of the 1990s as experienced by the artillery and the infantry then this PhD thesis written by a student at the City University Business School in London in 1996 provides some good detail. It touches specifically on the 3 PPCLI experience.

 

[Kirkhill]

Meanwhile - on the subject of arming our new defence force

Lithuania wants “to buy AMRAAMS for their NASAMS,” he stated. “Five-year wait. I talked to the Bulgarian CHOD [Chief of Defense]. They want to buy Javelins for their Strykers. Seven-year wait. I talked to some of the big allies who want to buy Patriots. 10-year wait. That needs to get fixed.”

NATO Operations Chief's Five Lessons Learned From War In Ukraine

NATO is taking note of opportunities and glaring deficiencies in its ability to wage war, some of which are harder to capitalize on than others.

www.twz.com

 

[NavyShooter]

The old story of 'when war comes, you have what you've got onhand' rings true.

We're looking right now at wars and rumours of wars - Ukraine has had us send a bunch of gear overseas, but little if any has actually been replaced in our stocks yet. Have we replaced the Leos that we sent over? Have we actually got replacement guns for the M777s that have gone over?

Our cupboard is getting more and more bare, and if we had to actually go to war tomorrow, we'd have some pretty sparse capabilities.

Long Lead Times is, sadly, the norm for major weapons systems. Part of the problem with super techie stuff - how long does it take to build and launch a satellite to get improved comms - let alone some form of camera/surveillance?

It's not WW2 anymore where we can go from concept to flying fighter in 120 days like they did with the P-51.

The integration of supply chains and dependence upon computer chips from places like Taiwan makes us that much more behind the curve.

Yes - there is a domestic production capability of some stuff - Senator, Small Arms, LAV, Warships (almost...) but do we have, in Canada, the ability to punch out a production line of our own Javelins? Or NASAMS?

If not, maybe we should have started working on that 3 years ago, as there appears to be a global need.

 

[KevinB]

Meanwhile - on the subject of arming our new defence force

NATO Operations Chief's Five Lessons Learned From War In Ukraine

NATO is taking note of opportunities and glaring deficiencies in its ability to wage war, some of which are harder to capitalize on than others.

www.twz.com

Those are FMS buys. Going direct to Industry could get them much faster but with a significant increase in prices.

Most US Defense firms aren’t expanding heavily as the looming specter of Elon Musk’s random cuts has folks nervous.

 

[suffolkowner]

Whats the deal with the McAlester Ammo Plant firings

Those are FMS buys. Going direct to Industry could get them much faster but with a significant increase in prices.

Most US Defense firms aren’t expanding heavily as the looming specter of Elon Musk’s random cuts has folks nervous.

 

[ytz]

Those are FMS buys. Going direct to Industry could get them much faster but with a significant increase in prices.

Most US Defense firms aren’t expanding heavily as the looming specter of Elon Musk’s random cuts has folks nervous.

I wonder what it would take to build some production in Europe where there's a potential market for their products.

 

[calculus]

First battalion, RCR. Maybe B Sqn, RCD and the various supporters. Borden is the place the Armoured Corps was founded so it has a history as a manoeuvre training

Those are FMS buys. Going direct to Industry could get them much faster but with a significant increase in prices.

Most US Defense firms aren’t expanding heavily as the looming specter of Elon Musk’s random cuts has folks nervous.

Is Industry even allowed to sell sensitive systems without a US intermediary?