Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

So…CAUKUS?

 

[Haggis]

What do we really have to bring to the table? Probably the main thing that the other members might be interested in is our fairly well developed UUV industry.

You wanna see some serious convening? Here comes Canada, eh!

 

[RangerRay]

Hey, Justin, polls show a majority of Canadians now want 2% GDP spending on defence. Maybe you should check it out with your colleagues Boris and Xi to see if they recommend it...after all, that’s the Canadian way of doing things.

About two thirds of Canadians support increasing defence spending to reach NATO target: Nanos

Most Canadians support increasing defence spending to reach the two per cent target set by NATO allies, according to a national survey conducted by Nanos for CTV News.

www.ctvnews.ca

64% is pretty amazing. Not sure how these clowns can avoid this.

Mind you, I think something like 80% of Canadians want us to take a tougher stance with Beijing, yet we still haven’t expelled any Chinese “diplomats” yet…

 

[QV]

Canada has a huge Ukrainian population. So perhaps the Russian invasion has some people finally waking TF up about defence spending.

 

[JLB50]

64% is pretty amazing. Not sure how these clowns can avoid this.

Mind you, I think something like 80% of Canadians want us to take a tougher stance with Beijing, yet we still haven’t expelled any Chinese “diplomats” yet…

I must say, the media, for all its imperfections and generally pro-liberal bias, have been on Justin’s tail for quite some time about his lack of sufficient defence spending.

 

[Quirky]

It's likely already been discussed in this thread, but increasing spending won't make the CAF more effective, we will just have a bigger budget to buy useless crap like desks and chairs. We need a complete overhaul with a massive investment in base housing and infrastructure. Then figure out a way how to recruit and retain people. All these new toys, like the F-35, will just sit in hangars and warehouses with no one around to use them. We are not ready to receive and use new equipment.

 

[shiska]

Canada has a huge Ukrainian population. So perhaps the Russian invasion has some people finally waking TF up about defence spending.

I am seeig this firsthand. I'm a young guy and work in post secondary ed so my surroundings are basically as left leaning as you can get but even here people are talking positively about the military (begrudgingly). Lots of young people here have grandparents in Ukraine that are being affected and the false sense of safety they've had for the last 2 generations has been shattered.

 

[RangerRay]

I must say, the media, for all its imperfections and generally pro-liberal bias, have been on Justin’s tail for quite some time about his lack of sufficient defence spending.

You know, I have come around to thinking that the media, with the exception of CBC and the Toronto Star, actually try to be fair, despite their centre-left biases. As I’ve said before, I believe that centre-left bias is from journalists coming from the same j-schools and other institutions, rather than some nefarious plot. Like a fish in water that doesn’t know it’s wet, many might not even see their biases. Mostly, if a scandal involving the Liberals or NDP lands on their desk, they will probably run with it. CBC will probably excuse it and blame the Tories.

 

[Kirkhill]

It's likely already been discussed in this thread, but increasing spending won't make the CAF more effective, we will just have a bigger budget to buy useless crap like desks and chairs. We need a complete overhaul with a massive investment in base housing and infrastructure. Then figure out a way how to recruit and retain people. All these new toys, like the F-35, will just sit in hangars and warehouses with no one around to use them. We are not ready to receive and use new equipment.

OR....

Plan on spending more money on airfare and let people disperse across the country while operating with 2 to 4 week shifts/tours.

When you claim more real estate per person than anyone else on the planet (Pacific Islanders excluded) then it is going to cost you money to maintain it and secure it.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

It's likely already been discussed in this thread, but increasing spending won't make the CAF more effective, we will just have a bigger budget to buy useless crap like desks and chairs. We need a complete overhaul with a massive investment in base housing and infrastructure. Then figure out a way how to recruit and retain people. All these new toys, like the F-35, will just sit in hangars and warehouses with no one around to use them. We are not ready to receive and use new equipment.

Send all the money to LRP. We have uses for infrastructure and planes and stuff. We will take it all!

 

[FJAG]

Hey, Justin, polls show a majority of Canadians now want 2% GDP spending on defence. Maybe you should check it out with your colleagues Boris and Xi to see if they recommend it...after all, that’s the Canadian way of doing things.

About two thirds of Canadians support increasing defence spending to reach NATO target: Nanos

Most Canadians support increasing defence spending to reach the two per cent target set by NATO allies, according to a national survey conducted by Nanos for CTV News.

www.ctvnews.ca

Here's a link to the report.

https://nanos.co/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/2023-2337-CTV-April-Populated-report-MILITARY-with-tabs.pdf

What I find interesting is that Quebec is in the middle ground when it comes to favouring spending at 2% rather than at the bottom - but not by much.

OTOH, Quebec shows the least concern about Canada's military operational abilities - but not by much.

Wonder if that will have an impact?

 

[TacticalTea]

Here's a link to the report.



What I find interesting is that Quebec is in the middle ground when it comes to favouring spending at 2% rather than at the bottom - but not by much.

OTOH, Quebec shows the least concern about Canada's military operational abilities - but not by much.

Wonder if that will have an impact?

Hah! Thanks for the link, I had the exact same thoughts upon reading the article and was looking for the actual report.

My tentative explanation is that Quebeccers might be least concerned about Canada's standing, but still care about contributing?

Quebec also least supportive of enhanced operation in Haiti, despite the common language. A tinge of anti-imperialism, perhaps?

 

[Quirky]

Plan on spending more money on airfare and let people disperse across the country while operating with 2 to 4 week shifts/tours.

I would rather see enough Q's built for families and condo-style apartments for single members at each base, with no monthly charge. The difference given as an allowance to purchase on the economy. Not a fan of a FIFO type of work schedule, but to each their own.

Send all the money to LRP. We have uses for infrastructure and planes and stuff. We will take it all!

I'd come to comox in a heart beat if I didn't have to live on air force beach in a camper.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I'd come to comox in a heart beat if I didn't have to live on air force beach in a camper.

Well there is always the option to buy an overpriced home in the Valley now, too!

 

[daftandbarmy]

Send all the money to LRP. We have uses for infrastructure and planes and stuff. We will take it all!

But that totally ignores the fact that every key decision maker in Ottawa has just watched the coronation and will now be planning our next new uniform, which will be really expensive but (fortunately) already part Canadian

 

[DBNSG]

But that totally ignores the fact that every key decision maker in Ottawa has just watched the coronation and will now be planning our next new uniform, which will be really expensive but (fortunately) already part Canadian

Watch that shine Soldier

 

[WLSC]

My tentative explanation is that Quebeccers might be least concerned about Canada's standing, but still care about contributing?

Yep, even if Quebec understand that Canada standing = business, I would says that's a good tentative explanation.

Quebec also least supportive of enhanced operation in Haiti, despite the common language. A tinge of anti-imperialism, perhaps?

I don't believe it's anti-imperialism. The last time it was supported because of the ''we're here to hep''. Once, yes, twice, yes third time...come on is more the feeling.

 

[suffolkowner]

No reason we shouldnt be in AUKUS other than our own desire to not be in it. We have followed the path of New Zealand a little too much to my liking. We made our place at the kids table but maybe it is finally getting through to some that we dont have the capability to act in the nations interest anymore. We could certainly use 6 SSN and need to refurbish the NORAD sites. This government is not one I think anyone trusts

 

[TacticalTea]

No reason we shouldnt be in AUKUS other than our own desire to not be in it.

Beg to differ.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1655645440174350368

 

[suffolkowner]

Beg to differ.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1655645440174350368

thats my point though we have chosen this path for ourselves and found ourselves on the outside of a natural partnership. It can be fixed and should be fixed but might require a change in govt