Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Well, since whenever Finland comes up with a new social or environmental program, it immediately follows that the Progressives in Canada begin chattering on CBC about how “in Finland, they do X, so we should too..”, this should now be a no-brainer for Canada.

 

[Good2Golf]

Well, since whenever Finland comes up with a new social or environmental program, it immediately follows that the Progressives in Canada begin chattering on CBC about how “in Finland, they do X, so we should too..”, this should now be a no-brainer for Canada.

One would think…but then one would be forgetting the pick-n-chose nature of Canada’s lauding Scandinavians values.

I foresee Canada getting up to go to the bathroom during the next round of ‘2% is the right number’ discussions.

 

[YZT580]

One would think…but then one would be forgetting the pick-n-chose nature of Canada’s lauding Scandinavians values.

I foresee Canada getting up to go to the bathroom during the next round of ‘2% is the right number’ discussions.

will they be even allowed in the same room

 

[Good2Golf]

will they be even allowed in the same room

Canada needs some time sitting outside in the hallway while the serious countries discuss issues of principle. The sad part is that PMO would spin our time banished *in the hallway as some sort of principled, leadership move to offer an alternative to an interest-driven West…

 

[OldSolduer]

Well, since whenever Finland comes up with a new social or environmental program, it immediately follows that the Progressives in Canada begin chattering on CBC about how “in Finland, they do X, so we should too..”, this should now be a no-brainer for Canada.

I have noticed that Canadians love to admire Europeans "In Europe they do this, in Germany they do that". My response "If you like Europe so much go live there. Foresake your entitlements IE OAS and CCP and go live in Europe"

 

[ArmyRick]

I have noticed that Canadians love to admire Europeans "In Europe they do this, in Germany they do that". My response "If you like Europe so much go live there. Foresake your entitlements IE OAS and CCP and go live in Europe"

We need Canadian solutions for Canadian problems.

 

[OldSolduer]

Canada needs some time sitting outside in the hallway while the serious countries discuss issues of principle. The sad part is that PMO would spin our time banished *in the hallway as some sort of principled, leadership move to offer an alternative to an interest-driven West…

He'd be playing Paddycakes while showing his sock

 

[BrianWL]

Aw, so cute.... the new kid is already getting into the NATO tradition of Canada shaming

NATO's 2 per cent military spending benchmark is 'self-evident': Finnish president​

The president of NATO's newest member nation said the military alliance's two per cent defence spending target seems "self-evident" to him — even as a debate rages over the fact that most NATO members, Canada included, are not meeting the target.

In an interview airing Sunday on Rosemary Barton Live, Finnish President Sauli Niinistö said the Nordic country is committed to its current level of defence spending — around two per cent of GDP. NATO members pledged in 2006 to spend two per cent of their national GDP on defence.

"I think that it's self-evident ... To me, as a Finn, we usually do what we agree [to do]," Niinistö told host Rosemary Barton.

"It's an agreement. To follow it is self-evident."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/finald-president-nato-target-1.6832310?cmp=newsletter_Morning%20Headlines%20from%20CBC%20News_1613_1039028

nothing in NATO politics is self evident. and the closer to Ivan you are, the more motivated you are to spend at or above 2.

 

[brihard]

I have noticed that Canadians love to admire Europeans "In Europe they do this, in Germany they do that". My response "If you like Europe so much go live there. Foresake your entitlements IE OAS and CCP and go live in Europe"

CPP and OAS are payable to expats.

 

[YZT580]

nothing in NATO politics is self evident. and the closer to Ivan you are, the more motivated you are to spend at or above 2.

not really, Germany was a total mess, worse than Canada, until the Ukraine came along and they found out the cupboard was stripped bare.

 

[YZT580]

I have noticed that Canadians love to admire Europeans "In Europe they do this, in Germany they do that". My response "If you like Europe so much go live there. Foresake your entitlements IE OAS and CCP and go live in Europe"

I did. worked there for a decade. Some things are better, some things are worse. The only truly redeeming feature was that nowhere in the 5 countries that I became more than acquainted with did I ever encounter a politician as truly rotten as Trudeau.

 

[OldSolduer]

CPP and OAS are payable to expats.

Yes I know that however if they feel that strongly that Europe is much better they could donate that money to charity….

 

[Edward Campbell]

My guess: some voices, Liberal-friendly voices, including e.g. Hillary Clinton, have been whispering in Justin Trudeau's ear that he is putting Canada and himself on the wrong side of history in the 2020s and his 2015 priorities are no longer in fashion. "Yes, yes," the voices are whispering, "climate is the challenge of a lifetime, but it's not the only challenge. Russia and China matter, too, and they matter a lot right now. The climate will change even more if we get sucked into nuclear war. Canada doesn't look like a serious country anymore; everyone blames you. You need to start doing things to fix it."

 

[RangerRay]

Well this is interesting…

Canada seeks to join non-nuclear pillar of AUKUS alliance

Sources suggest the Department of Global Affairs and the Privy Council Office continue to work to sign up Canada in the non-nuclear aspect of the trilateral security pact

www.theglobeandmail.com

The Canadian government is seeking to join the non-nuclear component of AUKUS, a security pact between Australia, Britain and the United States that was struck to counter China’s rising military might in the Indo-Pacific region, according to two government sources.
Canada was conspicuously absent when AUKUS was first announced in September, 2021. The three member countries are among this country’s closest allies, and like Canada they are members of the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing partnership. National-security experts feared Canada, a laggard on defence spending, was being excluded from a new “Three Eyes” group.
Canada’s reason for wanting to join now is not to acquire nuclear-powered submarines, like Australia, but rather to participate in the second pillar of the AUKUS agreement, the two sources, both senior government officials, said. This non-nuclear part of AUKUS provides for information-sharing and close co-operation on accelerating development of cutting-edge technologies, including undersea defence capabilities, artificial intelligence, quantum technology and hypersonic warfare.
The Globe and Mail is not naming the officials, because they are not authorized to speak publicly on security matters.


The AUKUS partnership was initially framed as an effort to deepen diplomatic, security and defence co-operation in the Indo-Pacific region. Under it, the United States is sharing nuclear-propulsion technology with Australia, as it has with Britain for more than half a century. New submarines will be built for the British and Australians using a combination of British submarine design and U.S. technology.
After the pact was announced, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau played down Canada’s exclusion. “This is a deal for nuclear submarines, which Canada is not currently or any time soon in the market for,” he told reporters.
China, which has an estimated 12 nuclear-powered submarines, has condemned AUKUS as a threat to peace in the Indo-Pacific.
One of the sources said the information-sharing aspect of the second pillar of AUKUS is significant. It has the potential to create a closer circle of sharing among three members of Five Eyes but not the other two, they said.


The source said there is continuing work by the Department of Global Affairs and the Privy Council Office to sign up Canada for AUKUS.
The second source said Canada is waiting to see how the existing three AUKUS members frame the terms of Canada’s possible participation. The official noted that the Communications Security Establishment, Canada’s eavesdropping and surveillance agency, already shares intelligence with its Five Eyes allies, and could expand this work.
The Five Eyes alliance, which consists of the U.S., Britain, Australia, Canada and New Zealand, dates back 75 years. Members share signals intelligence gleaned from intercepted communications, as well as military intelligence and intelligence gathered directly from human sources.
Stephanie Carvin, an associate professor of international relations at Carleton University and a former national-security analyst, has been working with Thomas Juneau, an associate professor in the Graduate School of Public and International Affairs at the University of Ottawa, on a paper about the future of Canada’s relations with AUKUS. She said that if the nuclear submarine deal between Australia, the United States and Britain was “AUKUS 1.0,” then the expanding technological co-operation represents what she calls “AUKUS 2.0.”


Prof. Carvin said it would make sense for Canada to join AUKUS 2.0. “We haven’t had a robust military presence in the Pacific since the 1950s. But that being said, China has an interest in the Arctic. It’s sending icebreakers and ships and buoys. So it does make sense for Canada as an Arctic nation, especially if we’re looking at new naval technologies that will be important to defence.”
There are different opinions in the Canadian security and defence community as to whether Canada needs to join AUKUS. Skeptics say it’s primarily a deal for Australia to acquire nuclear propulsion technology and that it won’t curb any intelligence sharing or co-operation among Five Eyes partners.
But Prof. Carvin said there is worry in the security and defence community that the trilateral pact could one day supplant the existing intelligence order. “I think the concern is that this is the start of a trend that could eventually impact Five Eyes,” she said.
She said the question for Canada and its allies is what benefits Canada might bring to AUKUS.
“It was very clear to me that Canada has always been welcome to join, but we have to bring something to the table,” Prof. Carvin said. “Canada is very good at certain kinds of Arctic technologies and mapping and artificial intelligence.”
In March, New Zealand’s government said it is discussing joining the non-nuclear part of the AUKUS arrangement, according to a report in The Guardian.
“We have been offered the opportunity to talk about whether we could or wish to participate in that pillar-two aspect of it,” Andrew Little, New Zealand’s defence minister, said in March. “I’ve indicated we will be willing to explore it.”

 

[daftandbarmy]

I have noticed that Canadians love to admire Europeans "In Europe they do this, in Germany they do that". My response "If you like Europe so much go live there. Foresake your entitlements IE OAS and CCP and go live in Europe"

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Well this is interesting…

Canada seeks to join non-nuclear pillar of AUKUS alliance

Sources suggest the Department of Global Affairs and the Privy Council Office continue to work to sign up Canada in the non-nuclear aspect of the trilateral security pact

www.theglobeandmail.com

Trying to join a Motorcycle Club with a moped because they both have 2 wheels....

 

[GR66]

Well this is interesting…

Canada seeks to join non-nuclear pillar of AUKUS alliance

Sources suggest the Department of Global Affairs and the Privy Council Office continue to work to sign up Canada in the non-nuclear aspect of the trilateral security pact

www.theglobeandmail.com

I've said before that Canada should try to get in to AUKUS whether or not we go for nuclear submarines or not, but as the posted article states:

It was very clear to me that Canada has always been welcome to join, but we have to bring something to the table,

The highlighted portion is where I see the problem. What do we really have to bring to the table? Probably the main thing that the other members might be interested in is our fairly well developed UUV industry.

 

[KevinB]

Trying to join a Motorcycle Club with a moped because they both have 2 wheels....

I suspect you will end up with a Motorcycle - and claim its a Moped...

 

[JLB50]

Hey, Justin, polls show a majority of Canadians now want 2% GDP spending on defence. Maybe you should check it out with your colleagues Boris and Xi to see if they recommend it...after all, that’s the Canadian way of doing things.

About two thirds of Canadians support increasing defence spending to reach NATO target: Nanos

Most Canadians support increasing defence spending to reach the two per cent target set by NATO allies, according to a national survey conducted by Nanos for CTV News.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[daftandbarmy]

I suspect you will end up with a Motorcycle - and claim its a Moped...

Dude... it identifies as a Moped