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Election 2015

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PPCLI Guy said:
Is it any less irresponsible to buy critical 905 swing votes using those very same swing voters own money via the Renovation Tax Credit?

I don't like most of the spending the CPC has announced, it's mostly unnecessary and some of it is downright wrong ... but I'm going to offer a half-hearted defence of the renovation tax credit because it fits, in a way, with my thesis that it is OK to borrow (long term bonds) for long life infrastructure programmes ~ especially to maintain and upgrade existing infrastructure. Renovating, upgrading your home, is similar and this is a way, not a very efficient way, of encouraging Canadians to hire other Canadians (that jobs! Jobs!! JOBs!!! thing again) and use Canadian products to maintain and upgrade their own, private infrastructure ... all that to say that it is, at least, not social spending: another family allowance thingy might cause me to vote Libertarian or something.
 
Jeffrey Simpson's thesis about what happened to moderate conservatives is wrong.

Here (from Pew Research Center) are some plots of data from attitude surveys, covering the period 1994-2014.

If you click the animation, it illustrates why progressives think conservatives have become dramatically less moderate: for a time, values of Democrats and Republicans were shifting leftward; then, Republican values began moving rightward while Democrats continued drifting left.

Compare 1994 and 2014 to see who has really become "less moderate".

Those are measures from the US (part of Simpson's thesis addresses perceived changes in the US).  But if political attitudes in Canada have undergone similar evolutions, the same general conclusion would apply: that conservatives have not become remarkably less moderate - it just looks that way from a progressive frame of reference which is moving leftward.

Has the conservative faction in Canada become less moderate?  If it has, it's hard to see: this government has avoided revisiting most of the major social changes and is mainly focused on fiscal issues.
 
Renovation Tax Credit:

Basically, what was said above: it's contingent on conditions, and it tends to promote voluntary consumer activity in domestic markets.  The labour can't be off-shored.  While materials can come from anywhere, I find much of what I use is local (particularly landscaping materials) and of the rest most is Canadian.  It mitigates against the deterioration of housing stock.  It can be tuned up or down if the economy is weak or strong.
 
Scott Barlow, writing in a SUBSCRIBER ONLY article in the Globe and Mail says that a "Weak loonie implies election defeat for federal Tories.". His "roundup" says:

    "Macleans magazine and Bloomberg each published reports that, combined, form an excellent summary of the economic issues surrounding the upcoming federal election. Both reports are objective, presenting arguments for and against
      a change in government. The most provocative of the ideas comes from Bloomberg who note,

    “Large dollar drops don’t bode well for sitting prime ministers. Major depreciations also occurred before elections in 1993 and 1984 that saw incumbents Kim Campbell of the Conservatives and John Turner of the Liberals suffer resounding defeats.”

    “Five Must-Watch Charts for Harper During Canada Re-Election Bid” – Bloomberg

    “The top economic indicators to watch before October’s election” – Moffatt, Macleans

      CNBC presented an outsider view of the Canadian economy, emphasizing the term “unusual recession.” The most salient quote was from TD Bank economist Derek Burleton who reported, “[Foreign investors are] worried about Canada;
      they're still short Canada," Mr. Burleton said. "There's not a lot of upside to growth."”

    “Canada is on the brink of a ‘very unusual recession’” – CNBC

Time will tell, of course, but the gloomy economic news doesn't rwally help anyone, very much, I think. Yes: it makes Canadians less trusting in Prime Minister's Harper's leaderrship and managerial abilities. But, it also will make Canadians fearful of Liberal and NDP spending promises.
 
Weak loonie?  Isn't that what Shiny Pony and Angry Tom wanted to cure Dutch disease?  Ontario's economy only seems to work well with a 62 cent dollar.  Every economy in the world is doing a dive for the bottom and we are winning.  They all seem to be looking for economic stimulus brought on by low prices.  Some might say Harper is a genius.  Personally I am not a fan of devaluation.
 
Meanwhile Canadian scientists are starting to abandon their traditionally apolitical stance:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/07/canada-scientists-harper_n_6124598.html


"This government has forced non-partisan organizations such as ours to make a very difficult choice: to remain silent or to speak out. We have chosen to speak out."

Daviau cited several controversial bills as proof that the government has targeted "the very existence of unions and collective bargaining."

A survey commissioned by the union last year found hundreds of scientists who claimed they had been asked to exclude or alter information in government documents for non-scientific reasons. And thousands more said they'd been prevented from talking freely about their work with the media or the public.

"Canadians deserve to know the damage this government is inflicting —unnecessarily and often underhandedly — to their services, their programs and even to their democracy," Daviau said.

 
For the sake of balance:

Also from the Huffington Post:

Thomas Mulcair: An NDP Government Will Ensure Cops Can Track Every Gun

and

NDP's $15 Minimum Wage Pledge: Party Says Promise Isn't Misleading

This video would seem to indicate that it is.
 
Kilo_302 said:
Here's an article that describes the government's dismal record of managing the economy:


http://rabble.ca/columnists/2015/07/worst-canadas-economy-under-harper-government
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Konrad Yakabuski, in the Globe and Mail says Jim Sanford, and others, are cherry picking their data when they accuse Prime Minister Harper of being a bad manager. On the contrary, Mr Yakabuski says, in this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail, whoever take over in Oct will inherit a pretty good situation thanks to Prime Minister Harper's good management:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-commentary/judge-harpers-economic-record-by-the-hand-he-was-dealt/article25867267/
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Judge Harper’s economic record by the hand he was dealt

KONRAD YAKABUSKI
The Globe and Mail

Published Thursday, Aug. 06, 2015

There are many different ways to measure a government’s economic performance, but none is perhaps as relevant as evaluating how it manages the hand it is dealt. That hand is made up of a number of cards, from the budgetary situation it inherits from its predecessors to external factors such as commodity prices, interest rates and long-term demographic trends.

All this makes ranking the performances of successive governments a tricky affair. If demographics are destiny, comparing rates of economic growth experienced in the 1960s with recent trends is bound to yield unfavourable results for current office holders. The baby boom unleashed several decades of above-average population growth and consumption that is ending as the boomers retire and progressively consume less of everything, except health care.

Structural transformations in the economy, resulting from changes in technology and globalization, play a major role in determining the trajectories for growth or unemployment. Attempts to resist these forces with interventionist labour-market or fiscal policies might boost short-term growth and employment, but can result in painful reckonings later on, as much of Europe has discovered. Too much debt lowers a country’s growth potential. The combination of high public debt and an aging population is about the worst hand any government can be dealt.

This is useful to keep in mind when assessing Conservative Leader Stephen Harper’s economic record. Based on 16 economic indicators, Jim Stanford and Jordan Brennan of the Unifor labour union recently ranked Mr. Harper’s nearly 10-year-old Conservative government dead last among the nine federal governments that have held office since 1946. But even if you accept their selective choice of data, the numbers provide an incomplete picture unless placed in context.

Mr. Stanford and Mr. Brennan rank the Harper government second-last on income inequality, based on the average share of income held by the top 1 per cent of Canadians between 2006 and 2012. But Statistics Canada reported that the top 1 per cent’s share peaked at 12.1 per cent in 2006, the year Mr. Harper took office, and declined thereafter to reach 10.3 per cent in 2012.

What’s more, as the Parliamentary Budget Officer noted last year, the tax changes introduced under the Tories since 2006 “have been progressive overall. Low and middle income earners have benefited more, in relative terms, than higher income earners.” Their income-splitting policy slightly shifts benefits up the income ladder, but it still benefits the middle class most.

As StatsCan’s Andrew Heisz and Brian Murphy have noted, one of the main reasons inequality spiked in the late 1990s had to do with cuts to employment insurance and welfare. Why did those cuts happen? In 1994-95, the federal debt had exploded to 68 per cent of gross domestic product and interest costs on that debt surpassed $44-billion, or 34 per cent of government revenues. Canada was dangerously close to hitting a debt wall.

Cuts to EI and in transfer payments to the provinces, which forced the latter to slash welfare benefits, were the consequence of federal spending levels that had become unsustainable. Markets may have forced it, but Jean Chrétien’s government stepped up to the plate. The federal debt-to-GDP ratio was cut in half on its watch and fell more when Paul Martin was Prime Minister.

Despite a surge in stimulus spending during the recession, Mr. Harper has brought the debt-to-GDP ratio back to within a percentage point of its precrisis low. Interest charges on the debt are projected to reach of 8.9 per cent of government revenues this year, a quarter of the level Mr. Chrétien faced when he took office. Low interest rates have helped, but a lower overall debt level is the main reason Ottawa’s books are in good shape.

This means that whichever party forms the government after Oct. 19 will have a decent hand to play in the face of any external shock, such as a global recession or a long-term decline in oil prices.

Still, the Tory record is a mixed one. They’ve drilled holes through the tax code, with paternalistic or crassly political measures that will do nothing to enhance economic competitiveness. They’ve shown a surprising inclination toward 1970s-style industrial policy and corporate welfare. But they have not cut transfers to the provinces (yet) and have sustained high research spending.

The Tories were dealt a good hand when they took office. Just leaving the books in the state they found them probably earns them an above-average rating. Canadians could do worse. The question facing voters on Oct. 19 is whether they could also do better.


I think Konrad Yakabuski asks the right question: Can Canadians "do better" by electing either M Mulcair or M Trudeau?

My answer, based on what each man has promised, to date, is a resounding "No."

Many of you are going to vote against Mr Harper; that's all well and good, and it's your right. But, if you're going to vote against him because you believe some Big Labour claptrap about his poor fiscal record then you are voting based on a very selective and incomplete analysis of the facts.
 
For those who want to see the debate when it kicks off in an hour:
http://www.macleans.ca/national-leaders-debate/
 
MCG said:
For those who want to see the debate when it kicks off in an hour:
http://www.macleans.ca/national-leaders-debate/

Here is a list with links where to other locations that you can watch the debate:

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/the-macleans-national-leaders-debate/
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Konrad Yakabuski, in the Globe and Mail says Jim Sanford, and others, are cherry picking their data when they accuse Prime Minister Harper of being a bad manager. On the contrary, Mr Yakabuski says, in this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail, whoever take over in Oct will inherit a pretty good situation thanks to Prime Minister Harper's good management:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-commentary/judge-harpers-economic-record-by-the-hand-he-was-dealt/article25867267/

I think Konrad Yakabuski asks the right question: Can Canadians "do better" by electing either M Mulcair or M Trudeau?

My answer, based on what each man has promised, to date, is a resounding "No."

Many of you are going to vote against Mr Harper; that's all well and good, and it's your right. But, if you're going to vote against him because you believe some Big Labour claptrap about his poor fiscal record then you are voting based on a very selective and incomplete analysis of the facts.


Here's a more balanced assessment of Stanford's report:

http://thetyee.ca/News/2015/07/31/Unifor-Report/
 
Did you even read it? I would say this is relatively balanced. No one can argue with the veracity of the data, however as Moffatt points out, it was "kind of selective." Of course Unifor is opposed to Harper, but again, the data doesn't lie and while this doesn't paint the whole picture it gets some things right. Namely that the Conservatives have not been good for our economy.

Economist Mike Moffatt of Ontario's Mowat Centre, an independent think tank, reviewed the report and said it holds up to scrutiny.

Moffatt said the figures in the report are accurate, but more context would help explain why the economy has performed poorly.

"They were kind of selective in what they chose to report," Moffatt said, suggesting the authors could have analyzed more categories favourable towards the government, like household wealth. "That's a mild issue with it, but overall a lot of the more obvious economic indicators have been rather poor over the last eight or nine years, which this report points out."

Moffatt added the number crunching and raw data in the report was "fantastic."
 
Kilo_302 said:
Did you even read it? I would say this is relatively balanced. No one can argue with the veracity of the data, however as Moffatt points out, it was "kind of selective." Of course Unifor is opposed to Harper, but again, the data doesn't lie and while this doesn't paint the whole picture it gets some things right. Namely that the Conservatives have not been good for our economy.

"Kind of selective" and "relatively balanced" do not belong in the same sentence. When you hand pick data out to support a conclusion you've already made, that's not an unbiased article. If you present all the data and then present arguments as to why your view on policies would have provided better results, then you have an actual article that is unbiased.
 
You're confusing the article with the report. Of course neither is unbiased, but Moffat (quoted in the article about the actual report) has it exactly right. They have been somewhat selective, but the data is correct and most of the major economic indicators are overwhelmingly negative.
 
When you're citing Rabble and the Tyee citing a Unifor "study", you're basically citing a circle jerk.
 
MCG said:
For those who want to see the debate when it kicks off in an hour:
http://www.macleans.ca/national-leaders-debate/ 
Well, I don't think that will have changed anything for anyone.
 
Pretty Bland......Nothing there convinced me to change my vote from Conservative.
 
MCG said:
Well, I don't think that will have changed anything for anyone.

Missed it (funny, it wasn't playing in the mess for TGIT) but I guess I didn't really miss anything at all. 
 
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