Denial of Access to MIR By Unit

[Brasidas]

Unless they just give him a crap ton of extras for which there is no paper trail

Which has never happened at CFSCE, say after Standards declared a disciplinary action unjustified.

"Oh, he's not being disciplined. We just tasked him with duty for a couple weekends, as his name just happened to come in rotation."

 

[Kat Stevens]

Speaking from many years of bitter experience, there's UNLAWFUL, and there's  unlawful nudge nudge, wink wink.  The people telling you to ignore a direction and just go on your merry way are inviting you to paint a huge bullseye on your back.  Get all your refs and such in a row before you pick the hill you want to die on, there are many varied, and very imaginative punishments that aren't considered punishment.

 

[stokerwes]

Why hasn't his WO stepped in and stopped this? Senior NCO's are in place for a reason, to keep the Officers in check and remind them of the rules. This is a BS policy made by someone who is either unclear of the law or abusing their authority.
It severely p***es me off when I hear of WO's and higher not stepping in and telling the policy maker that this is wrong.
To just follow policy because its easier is just asking for many issues.
There are suggestion boxes in the MIR where you could anonymously describe your situation. These are allegedly looked at by the base surgeon.
Had a similar situation at another base and just told the MO the situation when I got there. Magically the policy went away a few days later and everyone could go to the MIR as long as CoC was informed etc.
Don't just go to the MIR and disregard this policy though as you will suffer and possibly be charged for being AWOL or some other charge. Follow it until you have it changed.
Good luck

 

[George Wallace]

Why hasn't his WO stepped in and stopped this? Senior NCO's are in place for a reason, to keep the Officers in check and remind them of the rules. This is a BS policy made by someone who is either unclear of the law or abusing their authority.
It severely p***es me off when I hear of WO's and higher not stepping in and telling the policy maker that this is wrong.
To just follow policy because its easier is just asking for many issues.
There are suggestion boxes in the MIR where you could anonymously describe your situation. These are allegedly looked at by the base surgeon.
Had a similar situation at another base and just told the MO the situation when I got there. Magically the policy went away a few days later and everyone could go to the MIR as long as CoC was informed etc.
Don't just go to the MIR and disregard this policy though as you will suffer and possibly be charged for being AWOL or some other charge. Follow it until you have it changed.
Good luck

Perhaps the stars have all aligned in this unit, where we have an officer that is accustomed to abusing their power, and Snr NCMs who are careerists, who have 'brown nosed' their way through the ranks.  It happens from time to time, where you will find weak leadership qualities on all levels of the CoC and kills units moral, which will take several rotations of key personnel to turn around. 

 

[Halifax Tar]

Why hasn't his WO stepped in and stopped this? Senior NCO's are in place for a reason, to keep the Officers in check and remind them of the rules. This is a BS policy made by someone who is either unclear of the law or abusing their authority.
It severely p***es me off when I hear of WO's and higher not stepping in and telling the policy maker that this is wrong.
To just follow policy because its easier is just asking for many issues.
There are suggestion boxes in the MIR where you could anonymously describe your situation. These are allegedly looked at by the base surgeon.
Had a similar situation at another base and just told the MO the situation when I got there. Magically the policy went away a few days later and everyone could go to the MIR as long as CoC was informed etc.
Don't just go to the MIR and disregard this policy though as you will suffer and possibly be charged for being AWOL or some other charge. Follow it until you have it changed.
Good luck

One word "Jimmies"

If this is from a Kingston area unit I would bet dollars to doughnuts its a Signals unit of some sort.  Nothing suprises me anymore after spending a few years working with these folks.  Individually some excellent people, as a branch it makes Log look organized, functional and well lead.

 

[ModlrMike]

Don't just go to the MIR and disregard this policy though as you will suffer and possibly be charged for being AWOL or some other charge.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. If they charge  him, it has to go to JAG. You can't just charge someone and hope it sticks. The elements of the offence have to be clearly articulated in the RDP.

 

[MJP]

That, I can believe.  If the Maj who was there when I was in Kingston is still there.  He's an idiot.

Oh that Maj...I mean there can only be one posted there right 

 

[Occam]

I looked at the two CANFORGENs and CFHS Inst 5020-20 this morning, and they should be all the OP needs to keep in his back pocket.  I'll post them up if I can get a stable internet connection.

That said, I'll echo the sentiment that this should be handled by the MIR staff.  The minute they find out what's going on, I would expect a rocket to be fired to the CO advising him of what his (and his staff's) obligations and responsibilities are WRT medical info and patient confidentiality.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

And they won't have to say who told them either

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

CANFORGEN 039/08 CMP 018/08 131851Z FEB 08
DISCLOSURE OF MEDICAL/SOCIAL WORK INFO TO COMMANDING OFFICERS
UNCLASSIFIED


REFS: A. CANFORGEN 026/00 ADMHRMIL 016 181430Z FEB 00
B. CFMO 8-02 (VERSION: CH 50 - 1988-03-24)
C. QR O 19.18
D. QR O CHAPTERS 4, 5
E. PRIVACY ACT R.S.C. 1985 C.P-21



REF A WAS ISSUED TO SUPPORT AND PROMOTE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS AND CO S REGARDING MEDICAL EMPLOYMENT LIMITATIONS (MEL) IN RESPECT TO CF PERSONNEL UNDERGOING MEDICAL TREATMENT AND TO PROVIDE GREATER CLARITY AND OPERATIONAL FOCUS. REF A IS CANCELLED EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, PENDING DEVELOPMENT OF A COMPREHENSIVE POLICY DIRECTION. THIS CANFORGEN PROVIDES INTERIM GUIDANCE TO CLARIFY THE OBLIGATIONS OF CONCERNED PARTIES FOR THE EFFECTIVE SHARING OF INFORMATION


HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS IN THE CF HEALTH SYSTEM HAVE OBLIGATIONS TO SERVICE PERSONNEL THEY SEE FOR TREATMENT AND TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. THEIR PRIMARY OBLIGATION TO SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN IS TO MAINTAIN THEIR HEALTH AND MENTAL WELL-BEING, PREVENT DISEASE, DIAGNOSE OR TREAT ANY INJURY, ILLNESS, OR DISABILITY AND FACILITATE THEIR RAPID RETURN TO OPERATIONAL FITNESS. THE HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS PRIMARY OBLIGATION TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND IS TO SUSTAIN OR RESTORE SERVICE PERSONNEL TO OPERATIONAL EFFECTIVENESS AND DEPLOYABILITY. IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES THIS WILL REQUIRE THEM TO REPORT A SERVICE PERSON S MEL TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. SUCH REPORTING ENSURES PERSONNEL CAN PERFORM THEIR DUTIES SAFELY, RELIABLY, EFFICIENTLY AND AT NO RISK OF AGGRAVATING AN EXISTING MEDICAL CONDITION. THE DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION ON SERVICE PERSONNEL MEL SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE FOLLOWING OBJECTIVES


FIRST, CF PERSONNEL MUST HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE CF HEALTH CARE SYSTEM TO OPENLY DISCLOSE INFORMATION REQUIRED FOR EFFECTIVE TREATMENT. WITHOUT THIS DETAILED INFORMATION THE HEALTH CARE PROVIDER CANNOT OFFER THE BEST POSSIBLE TREATMENT AND THIS COULD JEOPARDIZE THE SERVICE PERSON S HEALTH. THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND WORK ENVIRONMENT MUST RESPECT MEL BOTH IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING THE INDIVIDUAL S LIMITATIONS AND MAINTAINING APPROPRIATE CONFIDENTIALITY


SECOND, COMMANDING OFFICERS ARE CHARGED WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF OPERATIONAL EFFECTIVENESS, CAPABILITY AND THE WELFARE AND SAFETY OF THEIR SUBORDINATES. IN DISCHARGING THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES A CO MUST ENSURE THAT INDIVIDUALS ARE ASSIGNED ONLY THOSE DUTIES THAT CAN BE PERFORMED SAFELY AND EFFECTIVELY. TO PROPERLY EMPLOY A SAILOR, SOLDIER, AIRMAN OR AIRWOMAN AND ENSURE THE CONDITIONS FOR HIS/HER SUCCESSFUL TREATMENT AND RETURN TO FULL DUTY A CO REQUIRES INSIGHT ON MEL AND PROGNOSIS. THIS MAY BE FACILITATED BY ADDITIONAL NON-CLINICAL INFORMATION WHICH MAY BE PROVIDED IF IT IS RELEVANT TO THE ASSIGNMENT OF APPROPRIATE DUTIES TO THE SERVICE PERSON


THIRD, HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS HAVE A PROFESSIONAL DUTY TO SAFEGUARD PATIENT MEDICAL INFORMATION FROM INAPPROPRIATE DISCLOSURE. PATIENTS DISCUSS WITH HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS INTIMATE AND PERSONAL DETAILS. HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS ARE PARTICULARLY COGNIZANT OF AND SENSITIVE TO THE NEED TO MAINTAIN A SERVICE PERSON S CONFIDENCE WHEN CONFERRING WITH THEM ON HEALTH CARE ISSUES. HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS MUST EXERCISE DUE DILIGENCE IN THE CONTEXT OF SUPPORTING OPERATIONAL EFFECTIVENESS WHILE RESPECTING THE LEGAL AND REGULATORY FRAMEWORK IN WHICH THEY WORK


THE ABSENCE OF CLEAR COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE HEALTH CARE PROVIDER AND THE CO IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE CF MISSION. WHILE SPECIFIC INFORMATION SUCH AS DIAGNOSIS AND DETAILED TREATMENT SHOULD NOT BE DISCLOSED, AN OPEN DIALOGUE TO SHARE RELEVANT INFORMATION ON A NEED TO KNOW BASIS IS ESSENTIAL IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE CF HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AND TO ENSURE THAT NEITHER THE INDIVIDUAL NOR THE MISSION IS COMPROMISED. SHARING APPROPRIATE INFORMATION AND TREATING THAT INFORMATION IN A SENSITIVE RESPECTFUL MANNER FOR THE GOOD OF THE SOLDIER, SAILOR, AIRMAN OR AIRWOMAN AND CF OPERATIONAL EFFECT IS A JOINT RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SERVICE PERSON, HEALTH CARE PROVIDER AND CO. THE FOLLOWING PROVIDES SPECIFIC DIRECTION TO FULFILL THAT OBJECTIVE


EVERY MBR HAS THE FOLLOWING DUTIES:


TO SELF REPORT AS SICK WITHOUT DELAY WHEN SUFFERING FROM OR SUSPECTING HE OR SHE MIGHT BE SUFFERING FROM A DISEASE IAW REF C


TO REPORT ANY MEDICALLY BASED INABILITY TO PERFORM DUTIES TO HIS/HER CO


TO INFORM HIS/HER CO OR OTHER SUPERIORS WHEN REQUIRED ANY MEL SPECIFIED BY HIS/HER HEALTH CARE PROVIDER AND


TO FOLLOW THOSE MEL


EVERY CO HAS THE FOLLOWING DUTIES:


TO ASSIST HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS IN UNDERSTANDING THE PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS AND CONDITIONS THAT NORMALLY APPLY TO A PARTICULAR SERVICE PERSON, SO THAT THE MOST APPROPRIATE MEL CAN BE ASSIGNED


TO INFORM HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS WHEN OTHER EMPLOYMENT EXISTS WITHIN THE UNIT THAT THE MEMBER MAY BE ABLE TO PERFORM WHILE UNDER MEL


TO INFORM HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS, WHEN ASSIGNED MEL APPEAR VAGUE OR INAPPROPRIATE IN THE PARTICULAR WORKING ENVIRONMENT


TO RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT IMPOSED MEL WITH THE HEALTH CARE PROVIDER OR BASE SURGEON AS REQUIRED


IN CONSULTATION WITH THE MO, TO IDENTIFY THOSE UNIT SUPERVISORS WHO ARE AUTHORIZED TO RECEIVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON MEL AND


TO ENSURE INFORMATION ABOUT A SERVICE PERSON S MEL IS HANDLED IN CONFIDENCE WITHIN THE UNIT WITHOUT DISCLOSURE TO UNAUTHORIZED PERSONNEL


EVERY HEALTH CARE PROVIDER HAS THE FOLLOWING DUTIES:


PROVIDE CLEAR, DETAILED AND RELEVANT MEL INFORMATION ON SICK REPORT FORM CF2018. THIS INFORMATION SHOULD INCLUDE, BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO, THE TYPE AND DURATION OF WORK THAT THE INDIVIDUAL CAN OR CANNOT DO, IN VIEW OF THE INDIVIDUAL S MEDICAL CONDITION. IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE PATIENT WOULD BENEFIT FROM AN OPEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE MO AND THE PATIENT S CHAIN OF COMMAND WITH RESPECT TO THE DISCLOSURE OF CLINICAL INFORMATION, THE PATIENT S WRITTEN CONSENT TO THE DISCLOSURE OF THAT INFORMATION SHOULD BE SOUGHT


TO DISCLOSE TO THE CO, LIMITATIONS ON THE SERVICE PERSON S ABILITY TO USE WEAPONS, COMPLEX MACHINERY OR EQUIPMENT


TO DISCLOSE ADDITIONAL NON-CLINICAL INFORMATION NECESSARY FOR THE CO TO ASSIGN APPROPRIATE DUTIES TO THE SERVICE PERSON


TO DISCLOSE PRESCRIBED INFORMATION TO APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES WHEN REQUIRED BY FEDERAL AND APPLICABLE PROVINCIAL LAWS AND


TO INFORM THE BASE/AREA SURGEON WHEN THE HEALTH CARE PROVIDER HAS INDICATIONS THAT A CO IS NOT PROVIDING THE REQUIRED SUPPORT TO THE MEMBER OR IS NOT RESPECTING MEL


SIGNED BY MGEN W. SEMIANIW, CMP

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

CANFORGEN 128/03 ADMHRMIL 061 241824Z OCT 03
CDS DIRECTION TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND REGARDING MEDICAL CARE PRESCRIBED AND MEDICAL EMPLOYMENT LIMITATIONS ASSIGNED BY MEDICAL STAFF TO CF MEMBERS
UNCLASSIFIED


REFS: A. QR AND O 3.33
B. QR AND O 16.16
C. QR AND O 34.01
D. CDS DAILY EXECUTIVE MEETING NOTES 29 MAY 98
E. CANFORGEN 076/98
F. CANFORGEN 026/00
G. CANFORGEN 053/02



THE PURPOSE OF THIS MESSAGE IS TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATION WITH RESPECT TO ACTION TO BE TAKEN BY COMMANDING OFFICERS REGARDING MEDICAL CARE THAT HAS BEEN PRESCRIBED, AND MEDICAL EMPLOYMENT LIMITATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED BY MEDICAL STAFF TO CF MEMBERS UNDER THEIR COMMAND. FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS MESSAGE, MEDICAL STAFF MEANS A MEDICAL OFFICER OR OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL WHO HAS BEEN DESIGNATED BY THE BASE / WING SURGEON OR OTHER MORE SENIOR MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL TECHNICAL AUTHORITY AS BEING ABLE TO DETERMINE MEDICAL EMPLOYMENT LIMITATIONS


ON 29 APRIL 1998 THE CDS INSTRUCTED THAT EMPLOYMENT LIMITATIONS ASSIGNED BY MEDICAL STAFF WILL BE HONOURED BY THE CHAIN OF COMMAND WITHOUT ALTERATION


COMMANDING OFFICERS ARE REMINDED THAT THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO OVERRULE OR DISREGARD WHAT MEDICAL STAFF RECOMMEND AS MEDICAL CARE FOR CF MEMBERS UNDER THEIR COMMAND. THIS INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO MEDICAL AND SURGICAL TREATMENT, DIAGNOSTIC AND INVESTIGATIONAL PROCEDURES, HOSPITALIZATION, PREVENTIVE MEDICINE PROCEDURES, MEDICAL EMPLOYMENT LIMITATIONS AND SICK LEAVE


COMMANDING OFFICERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO CLARIFY ISSUES AROUND MEDICAL EMPLOYMENT LIMITATIONS WITH THE APPROPRIATE SUPPORTING MEDICAL STAFF. HOWEVER, COMMANDING OFFICERS ARE REMINDED THAT CLARIFICATION OR RESOLUTION OF ANY ISSUE RELATED TO THE MEDICAL DECISIONS TAKEN BY MEDICAL STAFF SHALL BE BETWEEN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND THE APPROPRIATE MEDICAL AUTHORITY, AND NOT BETWEEN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBER


IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS ADM HR MIL WILL ISSUE A PRACTICAL GUIDE FOR COMMANDING OFFICERS AND THEIR SUPPORTING MEDICAL STAFFS ON WHAT INFORMATION CAN AND SHOULD BE TRANSMITTED FROM HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS TO RESPONSIBLE CO S. THIS GUIDE WILL CLARIFY THE EXTENT TO WHICH HEALTH CARE LICENSING BODY AND PROFESSIONAL PRACTICE DIRECTION WITH RESPECT TO CONFIDENTIALITY CAN BE MADE CONSISTENT WITH MILITARY OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR MEDICAL INFORMATION AS WELL AS THE ETHICAL AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMUNICATION BETWEEN HEALTH CARE PRACTITIONERS AND THE CHAIN OF COMMAND


THIS NEW POLICY BRINGS CLARIFICATION CONCERNING REF A, REINFORCES DIRECTION GIVEN AT REF D, SUPERSEDES REF E AND IS EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY

 

[upandatom]

Ran into this during a PLQ in petawawa, and we were briefed by the Base Surgeon at the time on the matter;

1. You dont have to tell them you are going to the MIR, telling them has become a common courtesy nowadays to inform them as to your whereabouts. Upon return to work tthat is when you give them the chit with your MELs. (will also disclose your arrival and departure time)

2. Noone can tell you you can not go to the MIR, if they do turn and walk/drive to the MIR.

3. If the CoC is going to start doing this, inform medical personell and the Base Surgeon will contact the CO of your unit right away and put a very quick end to this.(as happened on my PLQ)

4. You do not have to disclose anything about your visit to the MIR. Why you went etc. The only thing your CoC is to be aware of is your MELs if any.

All that being said;
This might be the "welcome to the unit we hard as !@#$" which, if i am fairly certain the unit you are at, it wont stay that way for long. Eventually over time your CoC might get to know you and whether you are a pump or not, at that point, you could get more leeway.

But I do suggest bring this upwards, thats not right.

As always though, pick your battles.

 

[PuckChaser]

So you suggest young soldiers just blow off their 0730 pt timing to go to sick parade and expect their CoC to be cool with them being AWOL for 2-3 hours just because they came back with an in/out chit? You're right out to lunch. Some units would have the DI started or people driving to the individuals house before they even returned from the MIR without any sort of contact.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

I'm not so sure about your first point.  It's my understanding you have a responsibility to ensure your CoC knows where you are whether that be telling your section commander or fireteam partner to pass up.  You can't just arbitrarily come and go as you please without someone knowing.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

So you suggest young soldiers just blow off their 0730 pt timing to go to sick parade and expect their CoC to be cool with them being AWOL for 2-3 hours just because they came back with an in/out chit? You're right out to lunch. Some units would have the DI started or people driving to the individuals house before they even returned from the MIR without any sort of contact.

Or worried that you may have hurt yourself.

 

[Occam]

Cheers for posting up the two CANFORGENs, Sheep Dog AT...my network connection isn't playing nicely today.

CFHS Group Inst 5020-20 is a little lengthy, but the appropriate section follows:

Disclosure to Commanding Officers

26. In accordance with the Privacy Act, and subject to legislated exceptions, no specific diagnosis or course of treatment will normally be disclosed to, or discussed with the CO. In accordance with Reference G (CANFORGEN 039/08), medical personnel must provide COs with detailed MELs but "specific information such as diagnosis and detailed treatment should not be disclosed". Since there is generally no Command requirement to know the name of a specific consultant or treatment facility providing care to a CAF member, medical staff should therefore withhold the name if it would reveal the patient's diagnosis (for example the name of an in-patient addiction treatment facility).

27. Examples of personal information which CANNOT be disclosed:
a.Specific clinical findings relating to the disease / injury, specific clinical findings (such as signs and symptoms), diagnosis, course of treatment (e.g. names of drugs prescribed/details of surgery, details of emergency treatment, if any), results of tests;
b.Specific details regarding why an individual has been referred to a specialist;
c.The name of the specific institution or treatment facility/clinic or of a specific clinician/specialist if it would reveal the specific diagnosis;
d.Cause of injury where disclosure would unavoidably reveal the diagnosis; or
e.Course of medical care where the disclosure itself would unavoidably reveal a diagnosis even if the specific disease or condition is never mentioned.

Disclosure Related to MELs

28. To assist the CO in dealing effectively with a CAF member who may present with health problems (physical and/or mental health) or psychosocial conditions, the Health Care Provider (HCP), may present to the CO:
a.The CAF member’s medical employment limitations (MELs);
b.Anticipated absences from the workplace; and
c.Where possible, a prognosis (chance of recovery).

29. Any medical employment limitations that have been assigned to a CAF member because of a health problem or psychosocial condition, as well as the prognosis of that condition (where possible), will be fully described and explained to the CAF member’s CO by the member’s HCP. Note: Actual copies of a CAF member's health record should not be provided without written consent.

I agree that just ditching a 0730 PT timing without notifying anyone wouldn't be wise.  However, I would notify somone in the CoC ahead of time that "I'm going to the MIR" to prevent the issues that Sheep Dog AT has mentioned.  I once ended up standing at attention in front of a BCPO being read the riot act for not informing my CoC that I was going to the MIR, but bearing in mind the effort that the CoC was exerting to find out my medical condition, I noted the gist of the message for future reference and chalked up the blast I got as being the CoC being bent out of shape because the MO and I (and eventually the Base Surgeon) refused to disclose the nature of the condition being treated.

 

[medicineman]

Why hasn't his WO stepped in and stopped this? Senior NCO's are in place for a reason, to keep the Officers in check and remind them of the rules. This is a BS policy made by someone who is either unclear of the law or abusing their authority.

And what makes you think the CSM/SSM didn't suggest it to the OC in the first place?  Wouldn't be the first time I'd seen that happen...

MM

 

[PMedMoe]

Oh that Maj...I mean there can only be one posted there right 

My bad.  One particular Major... 

 

[upandatom]

So you suggest young soldiers just blow off their 0730 pt timing to go to sick parade and expect their CoC to be cool with them being AWOL for 2-3 hours just because they came back with an in/out chit? You're right out to lunch. Some units would have the DI started or people driving to the individuals house before they even returned from the MIR without any sort of contact.

99% of the sick parades I have seen have a 0730 opening time. As I said, its courtesy. Regardless a call or a text message, even a smokle signal to inform.
That being said, once people return to work and that member is not there, then start inquiring. Most people with a head on their shoulders would send a text to a buddy or their direct supervisor in their section as to their location.

The hurt themselves excuse, can only see that being used in bad weather, bad road conditions. Your supposed to have a good knowledge of your troops. Not so cut off you have no clue that they arent capable at conducting themselves in a proffesional manner and go to the MIR and return with chits. IF you cant trust your troops to do that, let them know how to act.

FYI- It is not AWOL if you are in the MIR under the supervision of medical Staff. If you are in such rough shape that you will be held longer, the medical staff would and should inform your CoC about your condition and the appropriate steps will carry on from there.

 

[ModlrMike]

The hurt themselves excuse, can only see that being used in bad weather, bad road conditions.

Really? You can't hurt yourself when you're at home after work? How about while at work, not on PT?