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Briefing tomorrow
CMMA - replacing the CP140 Aurora
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STTC is the CC-150 transport (aka Wardair rejects) replacement, not the Aurora replacement. aka Airbus, not Boeing.Briefing tomorrow
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Ah I'm getting my projects confused, my bad
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Filed under “unrelated news”? (Both stories) 
If it was me, I wouldn’t hold me breath on anything official pre-Labour day. Just a WAG, I have no inside knowledge.
If it was me, I wouldn’t hold me breath on anything official pre-Labour day. Just a WAG, I have no inside knowledge.
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Eat your wordsFiled under “unrelated news”? (Both stories)
If it was me, I wouldn’t hold me breath on anything official pre-Labour day. Just a WAG, I have no inside knowledge.
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Great news. No only more capacity per aircraft (245,000 lbs of fuel for the MRTT vs 80,000 lbs for the Polaris if Wikipedia is to be believed) but also significant increase in the fleet size (9 x MRTT vs 5 CC-150).Eat your words
Now about the CMMA project...
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plus I think only 2 of the CC-150 are tankers and all the CC-330's are going to be MRTT including the VVIP?
one of the CC-150's just got in a fender bender too
Canadian, French military planes ‘came into contact’ at Guam air base - National | Globalnews.ca
The Department of National Defence told Global News the incident occurred Friday on the ramp at Anderson Air Force Base "in which the two aircraft came into contact."
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edit; apparently 8 MRTT and the one VVIP which should still be able to haul people and stuff if this guy is right
edit no 2 5 are second hand including the two already so pretty fast moving for CAF/DND
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I suspect it may be easier from a configuration management perspective to have all nine the same. Reduces NRE, there's a single training pipeline,increases flexibility in employment...
And an ACSO on the VIP bird not pumping gas can be employed as an Air Coffee Service Officer.
And an ACSO on the VIP bird not pumping gas can be employed as an Air Coffee Service Officer.
A bit more on this here, including the cost to buy the 3 other used planes ($150 million), that pilots have been training in the UK since January, and that there will be three bases (one in the east, one in the west and one in the north). That last is a bit puzzling, since the article states that 2 will fly out of Ottawa, and I think it's safe to say a few would be in Trenton, so that leaves the Western and Northern locations. A bit of a puzzle, and the math does not add up to 3... (Ottawa, Trenton, "Western", and "Northern"). Still though, great news, even if the details are still a bit hazy.
www.ctvnews.ca
Ottawa buying nine Airbus planes to replace Polaris fleet, including PM's plane
The federal government says it has signed a contract with European aviation company Airbus to replace its aging Polaris fleet at a cost of $3.6 billion.
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A bit more on this here, including the cost to buy the 3 other used planes ($150 million), that pilots have been training in the UK since January, and that there will be three bases (one in the east, one in the west and one in the north). That last is a bit puzzling, since the article states that 2 will fly out of Ottawa, and I think it's safe to say a few would be in Trenton, so that leaves the Western and Northern locations. A bit of a puzzle, and the math does not add up to 3... (Ottawa, Trenton, "Western", and "Northern"). Still though, great news, even if the details are still a bit hazy.
Ottawa buying nine Airbus planes to replace Polaris fleet, including PM's plane
The federal government says it has signed a contract with European aviation company Airbus to replace its aging Polaris fleet at a cost of $3.6 billion.
Two operating locations - one east, one west. One forward deployed location in the north (not permanently occupied). Ottawa as a temporary location for the first two aircraft. The announcement (below) is more precise.
The Strategic Tanker Transport Capability Project and NORAD Modernization - Canada.ca
Since 1992, the CC-150 Polaris aircraft and its crews have provided outstanding service to Canada. The roles of this fleet include providing air-to-air refuelling to our fighter fleet and our Allies and partners aircraft, providing cargo and personnel airlift, strategic Government of Canada...
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CC-137 was also called Husky.
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Two of which are still in service as E-8 Joint STARS.
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A new challanger for MPA? This is out of left field
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Catalina Aircraft relaunches ‘iconic’ flying boat, eyes military sales
Florida-based Catalina Aircraft says it plans to start new production on a modernised version of the legendary World War II-era PBY Catalina flying boat, targeting military and commercial operators.
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As a history buff - YES PLEASE.
As a realistic military capability...heck no.
As a Canadian hoping for best bang for buck for our military? I think it's as good an option as the Bombardier concept aircraft that's being touted...how about we re-open the bidding process and allow both this AND the Bombardier plane to submit?
As a realistic military capability...heck no.
As a Canadian hoping for best bang for buck for our military? I think it's as good an option as the Bombardier concept aircraft that's being touted...how about we re-open the bidding process and allow both this AND the Bombardier plane to submit?
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Cdr Salamander on the usefulness of a seaplane for SAR.A new challanger for MPA? This is out of left field
Catalina Aircraft relaunches ‘iconic’ flying boat, eyes military sales
Florida-based Catalina Aircraft says it plans to start new production on a modernised version of the legendary World War II-era PBY Catalina flying boat, targeting military and commercial operators.
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There was a recent Taiwan conflict wargame that highlighted exactly the need for the USN in particular to have rescue ships and aircraft to recover crews of both downed aircraft and damaged/sunken ships.Cdr Salamander on the usefulness of a seaplane for SAR.
There's already a Canadian-made solution for that role as well (as well as SOF insertion, cargo transport and as a bonus for the "ewww...war is icky crowd"...firefighting)
DHC-515 FIREFIGHTER™ - De Havilland Canada
Building on the exceptional operational capability of the CL-415, this next generation aircraft offers significant benefits to operators, including design changes that incorporate new materials, and corrosion protection to reduce maintenance costs.
aerialfirefighter.vikingair.com
Maritime Mission | Viking's Aerial Firefighter
Mission Profile Liaison / Support on Water Up to 2903 kg (6400 lb) of cargo Deploy boats for transfer of personnel, equipment, supplies, spare parts, etc.
aerialfirefighter.vikingair.com
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The question I have is ,does it the range to do the job ?There was a recent Taiwan conflict wargame that highlighted exactly the need for the USN in particular to have rescue ships and aircraft to recover crews of both downed aircraft and damaged/sunken ships.
There's already a Canadian-made solution for that role as well (as well as SOF insertion, cargo transport and as a bonus for the "ewww...war is icky crowd"...firefighting)
DHC-515 FIREFIGHTER™ - De Havilland Canada
Building on the exceptional operational capability of the CL-415, this next generation aircraft offers significant benefits to operators, including design changes that incorporate new materials, and corrosion protection to reduce maintenance costs.
Maritime Mission | Viking's Aerial Firefighter
Mission Profile Liaison / Support on Water Up to 2903 kg (6400 lb) of cargo Deploy boats for transfer of personnel, equipment, supplies, spare parts, etc.
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From Wikipedia (for the CL-415...couldn't find stats for the upgraded DHC-515):
Performance
- Maximum speed: 359 km/h (223 mph, 194 kn) Max Cruise
- Cruise speed: 333 km/h (207 mph, 180 kn) Normal Cruise
- Stall speed: 126 km/h (78 mph, 68 kn) MLW, Landing Configuration
- Ferry range: 2,427 km (1,508 mi, 1,310 nmi) 278 km/h (150 kn) Long Range Cruise
- Endurance: 3 hours at 200 nmi (370 km) from base
- g limits: +3.25−1.0 g
- Rate of climb: 5.9 m/s (1,170 ft/min) (ISA, MTOW)
- Wing loading: 212.5 kg/m2 (43.52 lb/sq ft) Maximum After-scooping
- Takeoff (ISA): 783 m (2,569 ft) (land), 814 m (2,671 ft) (water)
- Landing (ISA): 674 m (2,211 ft) (land), 665 m (2,182 ft) (water)
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