CMMA - replacing the CP140 Aurora

[dimsum]

Back pedaling has begun now in earnest. The Liberals are in trouble in Quebec, according to a recent poll, so the odds of a contract to Boeing have been reduced significantly. Also, apparently, the CP-140 replacement is not as critical as has been previously reported, and is no longer an "urgent operational requirement".

Industry minister won't say whether new military planes will be a sole-source deal

Industry Minister François-Philippe Champagne won't say whether the process to replace a fleet of aging military patrol planes will be an open-source bid, as the heads of Canada's two biggest provinces and Bombardier Inc.

www.timescolonist.com

One thing that most folks don’t see is that Bombardier didn’t just find out that the RCAF was looking to replace the Aurora, or that the P-8 was being looked at. They, along with DeHavilland, Boeing, and everyone else, can see the GoC website where this comes up.

So their CEO having a shocked Pikachu face now means either Bombardier hasn’t been checking very public open-source info, or didn’t bid. Given that even the Canadian Press is commenting that Bombardier doesn’t have an actual aircraft to bid with, I’d say it’s the second option.

As I’ve said before, this is a desperate Hail Mary play. I could say that Dimsum Aerospace can also create an aircraft to compete…

 

[dapaterson]

Time to contract out the service to Buffalo Airways, using timed out twin otters and dudes tossing lit sticks of dynamite out the door as ASW weapons.

Wait - I think that's the BBD proposal...

 

[dimsum]

Time to contract out the service to Buffalo Airways, using timed out twin otters and dudes tossing lit sticks of dynamite out the door as ASW weapons.

Wait - I think that's the BBD proposal...

That’s more real than the BBD proposal - no structural change to the Twotters.

 

[dapaterson]

Best of all, by contracting out to Buffalo, we avoid all those pesky airworthiness issues.

 

[YZT580]

Best of all, by contracting out to Buffalo, we avoid all those pesky airworthiness issues.

What's wrong with using the Daks. Good airplane, lots of room inside and they have greater range.

 

[Good2Golf]

Time to contract out the service to Buffalo Airways, using timed out twin otters and dudes tossing lit sticks of dynamite out the door as ASW weapons.

Wait - I think that's the BBD proposal...

Best of all, by contracting out to Buffalo, we avoid all those pesky airworthiness issues.

Well, at least Joe Buffalo actually HAS an aircraft doing things…

https://fb.watch/oecnUCU8Qg/?mibextid=ksseBe

 

[Spencer100]

One thing that most folks don’t see is that Bombardier didn’t just find out that the RCAF was looking to replace the Aurora, or that the P-8 was being looked at. They, along with DeHavilland, Boeing, and everyone else, can see the GoC website where this comes up.

So their CEO having a shocked Pikachu face now means either Bombardier hasn’t been checking very public open-source info, or didn’t bid. Given that even the Canadian Press is commenting that Bombardier doesn’t have an actual aircraft to bid with, I’d say it’s the second option.

As I’ve said before, this is a desperate Hail Mary play. I could say that Dimsum Aerospace can also create an aircraft to compete…

More of the fact that they can bid defence stuff and found that is it the only market they have left to grow in. This is a newer development. They should just come clean on that and then people round think better of them.

 

[zoomie36]

Defence committee calls for open competition on military plane bid

The House of Commons defence committee passed a motion Thursday that asks the federal government to put out a request for proposals before it chooses a replacement for the Royal Canadian Air Force's CP-140 Aurora maritime patrol planes set to retire in 2030.

www.ctvnews.ca

By the time the "winning bid" is chosen the P-8 line will be shut down, making this whole process a moot point

 

[FSTO]

^^
Morons, we’re are governed by morons.

 

[KevinB]

Defence committee calls for open competition on military plane bid

The House of Commons defence committee passed a motion Thursday that asks the federal government to put out a request for proposals before it chooses a replacement for the Royal Canadian Air Force's CP-140 Aurora maritime patrol planes set to retire in 2030.

www.ctvnews.ca

By the time the "winning bid" is chosen the P-8 line will be shut down, making this whole process a moot point

The fact they did that already seems lost on them.

Well prepare for a fisting from us down here.

 

[dapaterson]

RFI issued in Feb 2022: https://buyandsell.gc.ca/cds/public...roject_request_for_information_02.10.2022.pdf

 

[Good2Golf]

The fact they did that already seems lost on them.

Well prepare for a fisting from us down here.

 

[lenaitch]

Best of all, by contracting out to Buffalo, we avoid all those pesky airworthiness issues.

From what I saw on the TV show, they seemed to largely avoid them as well.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Defence committee calls for open competition on military plane bid

The House of Commons defence committee passed a motion Thursday that asks the federal government to put out a request for proposals before it chooses a replacement for the Royal Canadian Air Force's CP-140 Aurora maritime patrol planes set to retire in 2030.

www.ctvnews.ca

By the time the "winning bid" is chosen the P-8 line will be shut down, making this whole process a moot point

Or…the GoC agrees and says “we did that. Over a year and a half ago. Here’s a link to the website; feel free to ask anyone who didn’t submit a proposal to a publicly tendered RFI why they CHOSE not to…”.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

The fact they did that already seems lost on them.

Well prepare for a fisting from us down here.

That, and our VP fleet will be take as seriously as it should be. Make no mistake, our Allies know how good our fleet is…or is not. We deploy with them. Ain’t no hiding when missions are CNXd on ex or ops with your friends, especially when you’re asking for bobbles and bolts from their stores…

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Also, apparently, the CP-140 replacement is not as critical as has been previously reported…

LRP aircrew and techs…

 

[CBH99]

^^
Morons, we’re are governed by morons.

Oh, beyond a doubt!

Literally the dumbest herd of humans on the planet can be found in a few select buildings in Ontario, Canada

 

[armrdsoul77]

Indian Navy just retired their last IL-38 maritime patrol aircraft.
Il-38's Retirement Brings An Indian Maritime Patrol Era To An End

 

[dimsum]

Indian Navy just retired their last IL-38 maritime patrol aircraft.
View attachment 81205View attachment 81206Il-38's Retirement Brings An Indian Maritime Patrol Era To An End

It must have been wild proposing mounting the radar on top of the cockpit like that.

And are those wireless Bose headphones? I wish we had those instead of the POS David Clarks.

ETA: In the article, there are LCdrs as Sensor Operators. I can feel the AES Op rage from here

 

[Colin Parkinson]

It must have been wild proposing mounting the radar on top of the cockpit like that.

And are those wireless Bose headphones? I wish we had those instead of the POS David Clarks.

ETA: In the article, there are LCdrs as Sensor Operators. I can feel the AES Op rage from here

They seem very proud of their service and flying record, which considering they are flying old Soviet aircraft is quite the feat of maintenance.