CMMA - replacing the CP140 Aurora

[dimsum]

As an aside, I was looking at the UK P-8 fleet (they have 9 btw) and all of them are named.

• P801 – Pride of Moray
• ZP802 – City of Elgin
• ZP803 – Terence Bulloch DSO* DFC*
• ZP804 – Spirit of Reykjavík
• ZP805 – Fulmar
• ZP806 – Guernsey's Reply
• ZP807 – William Barker VC (yes he is Canadian)

 

[Eye In The Sky]

It’s too bad we don’t have any exchange positions with the RAF; and that there are no NCM exchange positions with the USN and RAAF P-8s.

 

[dimsum]

It’s too bad we don’t have any exchange positions with the RAF; and that there are no NCM exchange positions with the USN and RAAF P-8s.

That's because the RAAF will poach them.

 

[dapaterson]

Pro: No Canadian winters,

Con: Every insect and animal is actively planning to kill you through venom, kicking you to death or a combination of the two.

 

[dimsum]

Pro: No Canadian winters,

Con: Every insect and animal is actively planning to kill you through venom, kicking you to death or a combination of the two.

Con: Hot in summer (arguably winter too) and unless you like saltwater, potable water may become an issue.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Did anyone bet on 14 P-8s?

Canada Considering P-8A Purchase from Boeing - Defense Security Monitor

Canadian Defence Minister Anita Anand recently traveled to the U.S. to meet with Boeing officials to discuss military programs, and reports suggest topics included the potential sale of 14 P-8A …

dsm.forecastinternational.com

 

[Kirkhill]

Minister @FP_Champagne and I met with @Boeing today to discuss how we can advance the integration of our continental Defence Industrial Base, and create jobs and growth for Canadians. We'll continue to work with industry to deliver modern equipment to the @CanadianForces .

It strikes me as if this is the right way to conduct negotiations - is it too much to hope for? Gitterdone?

 

[Good2Golf]

Did anyone bet on 14 P-8s?

Canada Considering P-8A Purchase from Boeing - Defense Security Monitor

Canadian Defence Minister Anita Anand recently traveled to the U.S. to meet with Boeing officials to discuss military programs, and reports suggest topics included the potential sale of 14 P-8A …

dsm.forecastinternational.com

…almost…

So…we’ve got:
• 10-8, 8-6
• 15-8, 6-6
• 18-8, 2-6(-)
• 18-8, 16-295 (and by association 16-27)
• 18-8, 16-295 (and by association 16-390)
• 10-6(multi-config)
• 20-8

@suffolkowner bet 15, which is the closest. Perhaps a two stage prize. SO’s got the first round…now for the runner up prize…

 

[KevinB]

…almost…


@suffolkowner bet 15, which is the closest. Perhaps a two stage prize. SO’s got the first round…now for the runner up prize…

I’m still betting it gets plussed up.

 

[Good2Golf]

I’m still betting it gets plussed up.

I think so too…regretting that I ante’d in low with 10…WTH was i thinking? Lol

 

[FSTO]

…almost…


@suffolkowner bet 15, which is the closest. Perhaps a two stage prize. SO’s got the first round…now for the runner up prize…

Aren't "Price is Right" rules in effect? You bid over, you lose!

 

[GR66]

I’m still betting it gets plussed up.

I hope you're right, but you'd be betting heavily against a lot of Canadian procurement history.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

There’s a recent article that can’t be linked here that suggested the announcement could be this month prior to the POTUS visit…14 aircraft.

 

[GR66]

There’s a recent article that can’t be linked here that suggested the announcement could be this month prior to the POTUS visit…14 aircraft.

14 aircraft maintaining the current fleet size is a pleasant surprise. The original articles were quoting 8-12 aircraft.

I still think we need more for the size of our maritime domain though as well as the capability to deploy overseas when required. I think a total of 24 x airframes would be my uneducated guess at a minimum requirement.

24 x P-8s would be nice but maybe even a mixed fleet of 14 x P-8's and 10 x other airframes (an RPAS platform like the MQ-9B Sea Guardian, or a smaller manned MPA/MSA aircraft like the SC-130J Sea Hercules or even "gulp" a Bombardier Global 6500 MPA/MSA variant like the Swordfish/P-6).

 

[Kirkhill]

14 aircraft maintaining the current fleet size is a pleasant surprise. The original articles were quoting 8-12 aircraft.

I still think we need more for the size of our maritime domain though as well as the capability to deploy overseas when required. I think a total of 24 x airframes would be my uneducated guess at a minimum requirement.

24 x P-8s would be nice but maybe even a mixed fleet of 14 x P-8's and 10 x other airframes (an RPAS platform like the MQ-9B Sea Guardian, or a smaller manned MPA/MSA aircraft like the SC-130J Sea Hercules or even "gulp" a Bombardier Global 6500 MPA/MSA variant like the Swordfish/P-6).

Get them into the inventory. Once they are there a future government can increase the buy. Just like the LPC did with the CPC F35 buy of 66.

 

[dimsum]

14 aircraft maintaining the current fleet size is a pleasant surprise. The original articles were quoting 8-12 aircraft.

I still think we need more for the size of our maritime domain though as well as the capability to deploy overseas when required. I think a total of 24 x airframes would be my uneducated guess at a minimum requirement.

24 x P-8s would be nice but maybe even a mixed fleet of 14 x P-8's and 10 x other airframes (an RPAS platform like the MQ-9B Sea Guardian, or a smaller manned MPA/MSA aircraft like the SC-130J Sea Hercules or even "gulp" a Bombardier Global 6500 MPA/MSA variant like the Swordfish/P-6).

People here are forgetting that there is also an RPAS project (currently MQ-9B is the only bidder) that is designed to take some of those tasks.

 

[dapaterson]

I think when it comes to RPAS vs CMMA, the vital question is of tactical support to operations: for RPAS, will ACSOs still be responsible to produce coffee for the rest of the crew?

 

[Kirkhill]

People here are forgetting that there is also an RPAS project (currently MQ-9B is the only bidder) that is designed to take some of those tasks.

1x Arctic Over The Horizon Radar
3x Radarsat Satellites
12x SkyGuardian RPAS
14x P8 CMMA
88x F35 JSF
15x CSC Frigates (AEGIS)
6x AOPS

Canadian National/Continental Defence Assets

 

[KevinB]

People here are forgetting that there is also an RPAS project (currently MQ-9B is the only bidder) that is designed to take some of those tasks.

I was hoping no one would remember that - as I don't want all those to get abducted for Northern Watch

 

[Kirkhill]

I was hoping no one would remember that - as I don't want all those to get abducted for Northern Watch

Weren't they always going to that? And like with every other asset that Canada possesses, that which is surplus to domestic requirement is available to help out friends and strangers.

Charity begins at home.