Canadian AFG War "Resister"
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George Wallace
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What is the 'statute of limitations' on the items covered under the National Defence Act that he was privy to and allowed or not allowed to say in Public? Just because he has been released from the CF/CF Reserves does not give him free reign to spew off whatever he wants. He is still liable for what he can and cannot say. As he was Released just recently, in the past few months, and has been in the news for about as long, he obviously has broken some of the rules.
George Wallace
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PPCLI Guy said:
I think his exposure in the Press as being a Fraud would be fair justice.
I might add that this only illustrates how easily the NDP and CPA are conned by people and organizations passing off false or fraudulent claims.
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I love the sentiment that it is a good thing he quit. Yes, absolutely it would be a very bad thing if he was there commanding troops and he didn't want to be there. If you're driving a car, and you feel you're in over your head, you should pull over. Not just for your safety, but for the safety of others.
If he truly believes in what he is saying, then he does have a moral obligation to say it. I have done my best to reserve judgement, but I have come to the conclusion that not only is what he saying factually incorrect but his intentions for saying them are questionable. I can understand the desire to blame personal short comings on external things, it is a coping strategy. However to get the kind of attention he is receiving by being "The Canadian soldier war resister" I feel it is dishonest and harmful to himself and the national dialogue.
I don't know for sure, but no one who knows him has said differently on this thread (correct me if I am wrong), I think he was an Officer Cadet in the reserves. I can only speak for my experience as an officer cadet. An officer cadet doesn't have the training, experience or authority to order a pizza. A leader in training is "in training". I see a difference between a Dr in training and a Dr. I would be much more inclined to give a value to his "experience" if he had any rank other than officer cadet. (He said in his speech officer candidate, I might have to hit google to find out)
He said in his speech that he joined because he wanted the 100% tuition reimbursement. I would never imply that people who join only because of the money for schooling are looking to get the money and then quit, but I don't think the argument could be made that nobody has joined with that intention. From his speech, I gleamed that he had finished his degree program. I don't think his 1 year of service would have come up while he was on course. (to get tuition when you're in the reserves there is a promise that you make to parade for at least a year after the completion of the course)
I think I am so vexed with this situation because I am also an Officer Cadet in the reserves. Everyone deep down is afraid of being put in harms way - I see him acting out a reasonable fear - one that I would love to deny I have - but I'll just have to settle with overcoming it. Perhaps I have taken such a strong view on him because I see him showing me how easy it is to fail and then blame others - and then get told how brave I am. Maybe I'm vexed because I know I'll have to explain this to my Mother or maybe just maybe the guy is a putz and I should just move on. ;D
Oh and there are quite a few threads on the NDP/Anti-war/Union connections http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/51699.0/topicseen.html for example.
If he truly believes in what he is saying, then he does have a moral obligation to say it. I have done my best to reserve judgement, but I have come to the conclusion that not only is what he saying factually incorrect but his intentions for saying them are questionable. I can understand the desire to blame personal short comings on external things, it is a coping strategy. However to get the kind of attention he is receiving by being "The Canadian soldier war resister" I feel it is dishonest and harmful to himself and the national dialogue.
I don't know for sure, but no one who knows him has said differently on this thread (correct me if I am wrong), I think he was an Officer Cadet in the reserves. I can only speak for my experience as an officer cadet. An officer cadet doesn't have the training, experience or authority to order a pizza. A leader in training is "in training". I see a difference between a Dr in training and a Dr. I would be much more inclined to give a value to his "experience" if he had any rank other than officer cadet. (He said in his speech officer candidate, I might have to hit google to find out)
He said in his speech that he joined because he wanted the 100% tuition reimbursement. I would never imply that people who join only because of the money for schooling are looking to get the money and then quit, but I don't think the argument could be made that nobody has joined with that intention. From his speech, I gleamed that he had finished his degree program. I don't think his 1 year of service would have come up while he was on course. (to get tuition when you're in the reserves there is a promise that you make to parade for at least a year after the completion of the course)
I think I am so vexed with this situation because I am also an Officer Cadet in the reserves. Everyone deep down is afraid of being put in harms way - I see him acting out a reasonable fear - one that I would love to deny I have - but I'll just have to settle with overcoming it. Perhaps I have taken such a strong view on him because I see him showing me how easy it is to fail and then blame others - and then get told how brave I am. Maybe I'm vexed because I know I'll have to explain this to my Mother or maybe just maybe the guy is a putz and I should just move on. ;D
Oh and there are quite a few threads on the NDP/Anti-war/Union connections http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/51699.0/topicseen.html for example.
Zell_Dietrich said:
Not trying to be an attention whore, but here's my personal account of my run in with Taliban Jack and a U.S. army deserter at school... Certainly pertinent to the issue at hand.
http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/52026.0.html
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I'd do that if I could get that pention thing to work out. :blotto:HDE said:
The part that irkes me is that this " War Resisiter " is being treated as if he is being truthful.
I guess it would be too hard for the media to actually "check facts " before running with his blather. I wonder how it can be countered ?
Should the CDS speak out about his "career " and the way he was being " groomed for leadership " ? I think the "facts " about his time in the CF need to be exposed, to the public, by the appropriate source. Surely this untruth cannot be allowed to pass without offcial comment ?
Jimb Toronto.
I guess it would be too hard for the media to actually "check facts " before running with his blather. I wonder how it can be countered ?
Should the CDS speak out about his "career " and the way he was being " groomed for leadership " ? I think the "facts " about his time in the CF need to be exposed, to the public, by the appropriate source. Surely this untruth cannot be allowed to pass without offcial comment ?
Jimb Toronto.
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I don't doubt they know most of the facts, they probably want to milk this cow for as long as they can so they can sell more press on the popularity of the topic. I wonder if Letters to the Editor would be accepted on this topic; as I am sure many on this forum would have something to add to the "facts".
Colin Parkinson
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George Wallace said:
I think a anti-war group in the US got conned by a guy not to long ago, it was quite embarassing for them.
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http://ruxted.ca/index.php?/archives/28-Franciso-Juarez.html
I see Ruxted has stated thier position.
I see Ruxted has stated thier position.
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I think I asked this before, are we very very sure that he was only an Ocdt? If he served on a navel mission before, wouldn't that mean that he had already passed bmq/sq/ql3 Since he joined in 2002 (if I remember correctly) wouldn't he already have some training. Yes he transferred to the reserves and applied as an officer, but isn't it possible that he was scheduled (from his request) to go to Afghanistan as an NCM? I am asking only because not if but when I have to take this issue on in front of ndpers, I want to be sure I can't be proven wrong/misinformed.
I know we can't go and look at his service record. I tried asking people who I know, but nobody I know knows him.
I know we can't go and look at his service record. I tried asking people who I know, but nobody I know knows him.
George Wallace
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Sorry Zell, but your impression is too convoluted. He could not be tasked as a NCM if he was an OCdt. He would not be anything other than an OCdt with as little Training as he had. There are members on this site that do indeed know him, and others who are acquainted with him. We wonder how his 'former' Reserve Unit think of his 'betrayal'.
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simple answer.... No, not possible.
The man did a component transfer to the Army from the Navy.
The basic trade skills of a sailor don't port to the Infantry.
The man was on the basic Officer Cadet training Phase 1 & as an Seaman he would not get any exemption. ALSO, as a Reg, you go where you are told to go. As a Res, you decide on where you go, when you go and if you go.
Some people have looked up his service record
Some people here have served with him in the Navy, in the Army & the Officer training course..... nothing to hide anymore.
The man did a component transfer to the Army from the Navy.
The basic trade skills of a sailor don't port to the Infantry.
The man was on the basic Officer Cadet training Phase 1 & as an Seaman he would not get any exemption. ALSO, as a Reg, you go where you are told to go. As a Res, you decide on where you go, when you go and if you go.
Some people have looked up his service record
Some people here have served with him in the Navy, in the Army & the Officer training course..... nothing to hide anymore.
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Thank you. I was only fairly sure that was the way it was. If I have any doubt about the facts I'm going to be bringing to the table, I like to have them checked a few times. I think I posted on here before my feelings on this issue but, even with as much as he vexes me, if I am going to stand up and call him a liar in public (or private for that matter) I want to know with no doubt that I am right in that statement.
Thanks for the confirmation. :warstory: Now it is a race to his next public address to see who gets to expose him. :dontpanic:
Thanks for the confirmation. :warstory: Now it is a race to his next public address to see who gets to expose him. :dontpanic:
I fully support telling it like it is and exposing someone that is trying to pull the wool over others eyes. In other words a shyster.
But here is my question "Will the media print the truth when their good ole boy is exposed ?" Like when you go to one of the "person of interest"s (see I was nice) gigs and get him to go "uh...uh...uh...Crap I've been exposed !" Will the media present it to the national and international audience ? or will they report more on the heckler that had to be escorted out ...
Just sort of the devils advocate here. I don't trust the media at all.
But here is my question "Will the media print the truth when their good ole boy is exposed ?" Like when you go to one of the "person of interest"s (see I was nice) gigs and get him to go "uh...uh...uh...Crap I've been exposed !" Will the media present it to the national and international audience ? or will they report more on the heckler that had to be escorted out ...
Just sort of the devils advocate here. I don't trust the media at all.
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