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All things Charlottesville (merged)

As promised earlier, two clips of police unmasking Antifa members.

"Police Remove Antifa power at Berkeley by forcing them to remove masks or go to jail.": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXc-QYfIDmg

"Auburn Alabama Police UNMASK antifa against Richard Spencer": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy8lsX1yJLs

Some other clips found during my search.

"Why is ANTIFA not being condemned by the left?": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL3cCL7dLK4

"There was Violence on Both Sides & Then you had AntiFa throwing urine": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST-naGfWA2M

"'I don't want to hear anything about any racism until the Democratic Party addresses ITS racism.'": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqdDPMMPrXk

Steven Crowder's video on Youtube today gives a good and humorous insight into protest group mentality. There's some language in it, so I'll not post the link, but it's easy to find.

Finally, to end on a high note, some words of wisdom from Morgan Freeman - although the title is stupid.

"Morgan Freeman Speaks TRUTH Leaving CNN Embarrassed And Speechless(VIDEO)!!!": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV_JcWTHn7M
 
This is probably one of my favorite youtube channels. He doesn't even try to make people look stupid, they do it to themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih_crCAA3M8&feature=share

Have a peek if you want a laugh..
 
https://www.google.ca/amp/www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-columbus-monument-20170821-story,amp.html

225 year old confederate general Columbus statue vandalized.
 
Jarnhamar said:
225 year old confederate general Columbus statue vandalized.

"This is Newark baby!"  :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSlX36QP_po
 
Here is something to ponder in your debates as to what the tearing down of Confederate monuments and symbols is all about and what the "War of Secession" (Civil War) was all about:

Reproduced under the Fair Dealings provisions of the Copyright Act.

The Confederate General Who Was Erased
There’s a reason you won’t find many monuments in the South to one of Robert E. Lee’s most able deputies.
Jane Dailey, Contributor
Associate Professor of History, University of Chicago
08/21/2017 04:42 pm ET

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Studio portrait of General William Mahone (1826-1895).

Some years ago, I went to a conference in Charleston. During a free moment, I strolled down to an old marketplace where I browsed the shops — all of which, it seemed, specialized in Confederate memorabilia. In search of a small gift for my son, I wandered among stacks of toy rifles, piles of Confederate belt buckles, and displays of battle flag bumper-stickers. At some point my eye caught a large framed lithograph of Robert E. Lee and the officers of the Army of Northern Virginia entitled “Lee and His Generals.” Inspecting it, I saw that something — or rather, someone — was missing. I was looking for a tiny, bearded, Major General, a divisional commander who was with Lee at Appomattox and who shared in the decision to surrender that April day in 1865. I was looking for General William Mahone of Virginia, and I did not find him because he was not there.

A native Virginian, a railroad magnate, a slaveholder, and an ardent secessionist, Mahone served in the Confederate army throughout the war. He was one of the Army of Northern Virginia’s most able commanders, distinguishing himself particularly in the summer of 1864 at the Battle of the Crater outside Petersburg. After the war, Robert E. Lee recalled that, when contemplating a successor, he thought that Mahone “had developed the highest qualities for organization and command.”

How did such a high-ranking Confederate commander wind up missing in action in a Charleston gift shop? Not, I think, by accident.

By now, Americans interested in the Confederate monument removal project have had it drilled into them that the monuments were erected decades after the end of the Civil War as testimonies to white supremacy in all its various manifestations: segregation, disenfranchisement, lynching, peonage, and second-class citizenship across the board. But the monuments were not merely commemorative. They were designed to conceal a past that their designers wanted to suppress. That past was the period after Reconstruction and before Jim Crow, years in which African Americans in the former Confederacy exercised political power, ran for public office, published newspapers, marched as militias, ran businesses, organized voluntary associations, built schools and churches: a time, in other words, when they participated as full members of society.

General William Mahone has not been forgotten entirely. Rather, he has been selectively remembered. There is a Mahone Monument, for example, erected by the Daughters of the Confederacy, at the Crater Battlefield in Petersburg, and Civil War scholars have treated Mahone’s military career with respect.  There is an able biography. The problems posed by William Mahone for many Virginians in the past — and what makes it worthwhile for us to think about him in the present — lie in his postwar career.

Senator William Mahone was one of the most maligned political leaders in post-Civil War America. He was also one of the most capable. Compared to the Roman traitor Cataline (by Virginia Democrats), to Moses (by African American congressman John Mercer Langston), and to Napoleon (by himself), Mahone organized and led the most successful interracial political alliance in the post-emancipation South.

Mahone’s Readjuster Party, an independent coalition of black and white Republicans and white Democrats that was named for its policy of downwardly “readjusting” Virginia’s state debt, governed the state from 1879 to 1883.

During this period, a Readjuster governor occupied the statehouse, two Readjusters represented Virginia in the United States Senate, and Readjusters represented six of Virginia’s ten congressional districts. Under Mahone’s leadership, his coalition controlled the state legislature and the courts, and held and distributed the state’s many coveted federal offices. A black-majority party, the Readjusters legitimated and promoted African American citizenship and political power by supporting black suffrage, office-holding, and jury service.  To a degree previously unseen in Virginia, and unmatched anywhere else in the nineteenth-century South, the Readjusters became an institutional force for the protection and advancement of black rights and interests.

At the state level, the Readjusters separated payment of the school tax from the suffrage, thereby enfranchising thousands of Virginia’s poorest voters.  They restored and reinvigorated public education in the state, and they lowered real estate and personal property taxes.  They banned the chain gang and the whipping post.  At the municipal level, Readjuster governments paved streets, added sidewalks, and modernized water systems.

The Readjusters lost power in 1883 through a Democratic campaign of violence, electoral fraud, and appeals to white solidarity. While Democrats suppressed progressive politics in the state, other groups of elite white Virginians worked fast to eradicate the memory of Virginia’s experiment in interracial democracy. These were mutually reinforcing projects. Convinced that black enfranchisement was “the greatest curse that ever befell this country,” members of the Association for the Preservation of Virginia Antiquities (APVA), founded in 1889, equated the Readjuster’ rule with “mobocracy” and called for radical pruning of the electorate. After 1900, William Mahone was characterized by whites in Virginia as a demagogic race traitor with autocratic tendencies. This representation was so powerful that as late as the 1940s the worst charge that could be brought against an anti-Democratic opposition candidate was that he had been associated with Mahone and the Readjusters.

Black Virginians remembered things rather differently. In 1922, Luther Porter Jackson, a historian educated at Fisk and the University of Chicago, joined the faculty at Virginia State College, a black college founded by the Readjusters in 1882. Prescribing a combination of nonpartisan political organization and African American memory to combat white supremacy, in 1945 Jackson published Negro Officeholders in Virginia, 1865-1895 in an effort to inspire black Virginians to recall their power in the past and to regain the political influence they had wielded before Jim Crow.

As Americans interrogate the history and meaning behind monuments to the Confederacy, we must recognize the crucial role played by the politics of memory in the assault on African American equality. Luther Porter Jackson understood this. So did those “traditionalists” who built monuments to Confederate generals (but not Mahone), and bent history to their purpose. Interracial political cooperation had to be forgotten if southern conservatives were going to sell white supremacy and solidarity as timeless and natural, and not as the result of a 30-year campaign to render black southerners political and economic dependents and social unequals. How we remember our past directly influences the possibilities for our future. This is why white Democrats erased as much as they could of the history of interracial democracy in the South, after they destroyed it.
 
Oh Mike Pence. I thought you would never sink this low to call for - wait - I don't think he actually called for more Confederate statues. Well HuffPo, you almost got me with that headline, kind of sneaky. And the photo with Pence waving that Yahoo added to theirs, does that look like a salute from the unmentionables? Are you playing games again HuffPo along with Yahoo? Of course you are, that is the popular thing to do these days.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mike-pence-apos-answer-confederate-193118686.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-pence-confederate-monuments-built-more_us_599c72f3e4b06a788a2c4cd9?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313
 
"This Democrat narrative is a dirty lie": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7NezTAnXCM
 
George Wallace said:
Here is something to ponder in your debates as to what the tearing down of Confederate monuments and symbols is all about and what the "War of Secession" (Civil War) was all about:

Reproduced under the Fair Dealings provisions of the Copyright Act.

George- an interesting article that proves the real nature of the statues in question and the purpose of the false victory narrative. 
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41

ESPN reassigns commentator Robert Lee over 'name coincidence'

ESPN said they had reassigned Mr Lee because he had the same name as the Confederate general Robert E Lee

ESPN has removed a sports commentator from covering an American football game in Charlottesville because he has the same name as Civil War General Robert E Lee.

Robert Lee was scheduled to cover a University of Virginia game in the city for the broadcaster on 2 September.

ESPN said it had moved Mr Lee "simply because of the coincidence of his name".

White nationalists marched through the college during a rally this month.

The rally was organised to protest against the removal of a statue of General Lee, who commanded the pro-slavery Confederate forces during the American Civil War.

It descended into violent street brawls and one woman was killed when a car ploughed through a crowd of counter-protesters.

In a statement, ESPN said: "We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name.

"It's a shame that this is even a topic of conversation and we regret that who calls play by play for a football game has become an issue."

However, the decision to move Mr Lee has been ridiculed on social media.

Mr Lee was set to cover the University of Virginia's first game of the season against the College of William and Mary.

He has been reassigned to a game between Youngstown State and Pittsburgh which takes place on the same day.
 

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George Wallace said:
Here is something to ponder in your debates as to what the tearing down of Confederate monuments and symbols is all about and what the "War of Secession" (Civil War) was all about:

Reproduced under the Fair Dealings provisions of the Copyright Act.

Wow.  That is a pretty cool story.  Thanks for sharing.
 
Rifleman62 said:
ESPN reassigns commentator Robert Lee over 'name coincidence'

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." (Usually attributed to Albert Einstein, although there is no supporting documentation).

"If You Want To Tell People the Truth, You’d Better Make Them Laugh or They’ll Kill You" (Frequently attributed to George Bernard Shaw, but, again, there is no supporting documentation). Find a way to gently explain the "new history" to Southerners through comedy, and it might just work. Forced re-education will lead to nowhere good for anybody.

I mentioned a Steven Crowder video yesterday, but did not post the link. It ties to the latter quote, though, so, the language warning stands, and here it is: "Anti-Trump Gay Karaoke Night CRASHED by Crowder... as Trump!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egvlO9Zty5A.
 
Yet another article about how selective a view of history the Confederate statuary provides.

Where are the monuments to Confederate Gen. James Longstreet?

By Steven A. Holmes, CNN
Updated 4:38 PM ET, Wed August 23, 2017]

(CNN)So where are Longstreet's statues?

General James Longstreet was an important figure in the Confederate Army; as important as Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart or A.P. Hill; nearly as critical to the Confederate cause as Robert E. Lee.

A genius at combining offensive and defensive maneuvers, Longstreet led his 28,000 men in a flanking movement -- described as the largest simultaneous mass assault of the war -- and routed the Union Army at the Second Battle of Bull Run in 1862. The carnage that Longstreet's stout defense inflicted on attacking Union troops during the Battle of Fredericksburg a month later was so great that Lee, watching it, observed, "It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it." Longstreet's defeat of the northern troops during the Battle of Chickamauga in 1863 provided the Confederacy with its only major victory after Lee's defeat at Gettysburg.

He was, by most accounts, Lee's most trusted general. Lee once termed him "the staff in my right hand," and by the end of the war made Longstreet his second-in-command.

Yet outside of a roadside sign near his birthplace in Edgefield, South Carolina, one statue in Gainesville, Georgia, where he died, and his name on a few streets in a handful of Southern towns, there are virtually no memorials to Longstreet throughout the South -- or the entire country, for that matter.

A World II tank was named after Stuart. Military bases are named after Braxton Bragg, John Bell Hood and eight other Confederate generals.

"Stonewall" Jackson's visage is carved on Stone Mountain outside Atlanta. But few people, apart from ardent Civil War buffs, have ever heard of Longstreet.

At a time of debate over the removal of Confederate monuments and amid charges that some protestors want to "erase history," Longstreet's near-expungement raises questions about whose history is being scrubbed away and why that history was created in the first place. It underscores that history -- and particularly the history of the Civil War -- is not simply an objective chronicling of facts. It is often shaped by people to promote particular political agendas and ideologies.

Despite his distinguished war record, Longstreet's absence from the pantheon of Confederate heroes was no accident. It was the result of a deliberate campaign by Southerners to punish him for his actions following the war.

After the end of the war, Longstreet eventually settled in New Orleans. There, unlike many of his compatriots, he spoke out in favor of Reconstruction. He became a Republican. He endorsed Ulysses S. Grant -- who was reviled by Southerners -- for president in 1868. In 1874, he had the temerity to lead a predominantly black force of state militia in pitched gun battles against white supremacists in the streets of New Orleans. To many in the South, these efforts branded Longstreet a traitor to the white race to be either vilified -- or forgotten.

"He was nearly erased from Confederate history," says William Garrett Piston, professor emeritus of history at Missouri State University, who wrote a biography of Longstreet. "There were complicated circumstances. But at the bottom it was because of the fact that Longstreet shocked and outraged white Southerners, because he was willing to participate in biracial politics."

Longstreet was no racial saint. He argued privately that whites needed to embrace Reconstruction so that they, and not the newly freed blacks, would be in charge of rebuilding the South.

Still, any attempt at cooperation with the victorious North and the newly emancipated slaves ran afoul of the growing "Lost Cause" movement in the South. Lost Cause adherents glorified the antebellum South, painting a bucolic tableau of Southern belles, stately plantations and happy slaves. They created the myth of "gallant" Confederate soldiers who only lost the war because they were ground down by the overwhelming numbers of the Union army. They cast Reconstruction as a corrupt and ineffective exercise foisted on the South by "radical" Republicans and carried out by incompetent black freedmen, evil Yankee "carpetbaggers" and traitorous Southern "scalawags."

Lost Cause advocates took over the Southern Historical Society, and later convinced Northern historians to accept their view of the war and its aftermath. As a result, for the rest of the 19th Century and most of the 20th Century, this view became settled in both popular history and culture, influencing such important -- and, some say, racist -- works as D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" and Margaret Mitchell's best-selling book -- later a blockbuster movie -- "Gone With the Wind."

Of course, many of these apologists for the South didn't just want to rewrite history to glorify the Confederate cause. A spate of constructing monuments to the Confederacy took place in the period when Jim Crow laws were being imposed, the Ku Klux Klan was at its zenith and blacks were being subjected to a campaign of terror. The NAACP, which did its best to keep track of this grisly statistic, noted that more than 2,500 black people were lynched in the South between 1889 and 1918 -- prime building years for Confederate monuments.

Erecting a statue to someone like Longstreet, who urged political cooperation with blacks, did not fit into this campaign of intimidation.

Lost cause "historians" also set out to destroy Longstreet's military record. After Lee's death in 1870 when the venerated general was no longer around to defend his trusted lieutenant, Lost Cause adherents perpetrated a false story that Longstreet had deliberately disobeyed Lee's order to attack the Union lines at sunrise on the second day of the Battle of Gettysburg. That disobedience, they argued, lost the battle -- and, in their eyes, the war.

Though he publicly and vociferously disagreed with Lee's tactics during Gettysburg, historians now agree that Longstreet had dutifully followed Lee's orders. On the third day of the fight, he sent his troops, led by one of his chief subordinate, Gen. George Pickett, to attack the fortified Union lines on Cemetery Ridge. Marching across an open field, the Confederates were cut to pieces.

For decades, textbooks have glorified "Pickett's charge" as the epitome of Southern bravery. There is even an army base in Virginia named after him. But because Longstreet dared to work for some kind of reconciliation after the war, hardly anyone remembers who gave Pickett the order.

Longstreet did not help his reputation after the war when, in his memoirs and other writings, he was highly critical of Lee's decision to invade the North in 1863 and Lee's tactics at the battle of Gettysburg. For Lost Cause adherents, and many other Southerners who had elevated Lee to almost God-like status, this was seen as heresy.

"There were certain things you could do in the South after the war, and certain things you couldn't do." says Christopher Gwinn, chief historian at Gettysburg National Military Park. "One of the things you couldn't do was criticize Robert E. Lee."
In recent years, Longstreet's reputation has undergone rehabilitation among historians, if not the general public. In 1998, a grassroots campaign raised enough funds to build a statue to him at the Gettysburg park. It was one of the few major monuments to Confederate soldiers at Gettysburg that was not paid for by taxpayers in the states of the former Confederacy.

It is also, according to some historians, one of the least impressive. It is not mounted on a pedestal. It is almost hidden away behind a screen of trees, set in an out-of-the-way section of the 6,000-acre park away from the more majestic memorials that honor Confederate -- and Union -- soldiers.

"Until that monument went up, there was no monument to Longstreet anywhere in the country. And there are still very few in the South compared to the dozens and dozens dedicated to Lee, Jackson and others," says James McPherson, author of the Pulitzer prize winning history of the Civil War,"Battle Cry of Freedom."

With President Trump lamenting the loss of "beautiful" statues of Confederate soldiers and generals, he, and others who hold similar views, might contemplate why the "beauty" of Longstreet's military record and of his vision -- however flawed -- of biracial politics in the South after the war were hoisted on so few pedestals.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/23/opinions/where-are-monuments-to-confederate-general-longstreet-opinion-holmes/index.html
 
Interesting, but they didn't look like Civil War buffs to me,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n12sjwk9FBE
 
The mindless minions of somebody who was, until President Trump's electoral victory, an Obama-supporting Occupy Wall Street activist and CNN journalist. Given his history, why did he suddenly begin a white supremacist organization?
 
Loachman said:
The mindless minions of somebody who was, until President Trump's electoral victory, an Obama-supporting Occupy Wall Street activist and CNN journalist. Given his history, why did he suddenly begin a white supremacist organization?

By "somebody" "his" and "he" are you referring to Jason Kessler?

Alt-Right Turns Against ‘Unite the Right’ Organizer Jason Kessler, Labels Him ‘Soros/Deep State Plant’
http://www.snopes.com/2017/08/17/jason-kessler-soros-deep-state-plant/

In the aftermath of the violence-plagued Charlottesville rally, former white nationalist allies peddled a conspiracy theory suggesting Kessler is a left-wing provocateur.

It only took a matter of days for “pro-white” protest organizer Jason Kessler, whose “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia ended in a disastrous episode of violence on 12 August 2017, to go from being a darling of the alt-right movement to a target of one of their paranoid conspiracy theories.

In keeping with the preferred alt-right explanation of why the Charlottesville event went south, namely the machinations of a vast left-wing conspiracy to foment racial violence and spark a civil war, alternative media outlets began accusing Kessler of being a “deep state” operative in the pay of billionaire leftist George Soros. 

None of this reads to us like the history of a man who underwent a sudden, “feigned” conversion to an alt-right, “pro-white” political stance in the wake of the election of Trump (for whom Kessler voted, he told us, and whose presidency he still supports). The evidence shows, rather, that Kessler was already evincing well-developed “white identity” views by February 2016, and has consistently reviled the left and expressed solidarity with the alt-right ever since.

And in December 2016, a seemingly jubilant Kessler celebrated the election of President Donald Trump and “the end of identity politics”:
"2016 was an unprecedented year in the history of our democracy. After decades of stigmatization and encroaching government oppression the white, blue collar heartland of America stood up against the forces of globalization, free trade, and open-borders. They voted down the displacement of American citizens by illegal labor and overzealous immigration from the most extreme Islamic countries on Earth. They banished Hillary Clinton to the legacy of a two-time loser in the footnotes of history and they sent Donald J. Trump to the White House."

It would appear that his former alt-right compatriots sensed a convenient scapegoat in Kessler — someone they could easily finger as a patsy of George Soros and the Clinton-Obama “deep state” in their rush to blame the Charlottesville debacle on a left-wing conspiracy. Given that he organized the event and set its agenda, Kessler indeed bears some responsibility for what happened there, but he does so not as some imagined “Soros/deep state plant,” but rather as a legitimate figurehead of the alt-right white nationalist movement.

Did Kessler write articles for CNN that were sympathetic to the Occupy movement?

False. Kessler says he never worked for CNN, and we spoke to a source at CNN who confirmed it. A writer named Jason Kessler was once employed by CNN, and he did cover Occupy Wall Street protests among many other topics, but according to CNN it was not the same Jason Kessler who went on to lead Unite the Right.



 
Loachman said:
The mindless Wankers of somebody who was, until President Trump's electoral victory, an Obama-supporting Occupy Wall Street activist and CNN journalist. Given his history, why did he suddenly begin a white supremacist organization?

FTFY
 
For those who've asked if it could happen here too.  Yes, the momentum of stupidity and white washing of history is picking up pace to suit different special interest groups.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/toronto/he-s-considered-canada-s-founding-father-but-many-ontario-teachers-want-his-name-stripped-from-public-schools-1.4259643

Next they'll want to change the name of the country to Blandada or something suitably neutral in case someone is offended.    :not-again:
 
jollyjacktar said:
For those who've asked if it could happen here too.  Yes, the momentum of stupidity and white washing of history is picking up pace to suit different special interest groups.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/toronto/he-s-considered-canada-s-founding-father-but-many-ontario-teachers-want-his-name-stripped-from-public-schools-1.4259643

Next they'll want to change the name of the country to Blandada or something suitably neutral in case someone is offended.    :not-again:

:brickwall:

:cheers:
 
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