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Afghanistan: Why we should be there (or not), how to conduct the mission (or not) & when to leave

If you ever wanted to know how to fight a war on the cheap just ask the Labor government. Its simply a disgrace how they have allowed the military infrastucture to fall apart. They keep reducing battalions to the point where cadets will be the only one's to carry on the history of a unit.
 
tomahawk6: Germans seem, if anything, worse off than the Brits (note the aircrew training problem):

Snafu in Afghanistan
German Troops Bemoan 'Criticial' Deficits in Training and Equipment

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,646085,00.html

Mark
Ottawa
 
Start of a post at The Torch:

Afstan: You didn't need a crystal ball...
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2009/09/afstan-you-didnt-need-crystal-ball.html

...to foresee what was coming in Gen. McChrystal's report...

More from (the suddenly unembedded) Michael Yon in the field--and fight--on the tough times the Brits are having in Helmand (many photos):

Precision Voting
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/precision-voting.htm

Mark
Ottawa
 
And a post by Terry Glavin:

On Afghanistan: Stop Wasting Time, Stop Whining.
http://transmontanus.blogspot.com/2009/09/on-afghanistan-stop-wasting-time-stop.html

Mark
Ottawa
 
The start and conclusion of a thoughtful post by Damian Brooks at The Torch:

A question of commitment
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2009/09/question-of-commitment.html

The other day, a good soldier and better friend to me posed this question: “Should Canadian soldiers continue to bleed and die in Afghanistan on a mission that not one of our political parties is willing to fight – let alone lose – an election over?”..

...the Afghan mission should have represented the perfect opportunity to meld the compassionate idealism of the political left with the hard-nosed practicality of the security-conscious political right and stand firm in our commitment – to our own national interests, and to the people of Afghanistan. This should have been the one mission we could all agree upon. That support for such a potentially bi-partisan effort has been allowed to slowly decompose to such embarrassingly meagre levels is an indictment of Canadian leadership across the political spectrum.

With this in mind, perhaps my friend’s question should be rephrased one more time: “If Canadian soldiers are going to continue to bleed and die in the dust of Afghanistan for the betterment of both countries, shouldn’t Canadian politicians be willing to invest a fraction of the commitment that our soldiers so willingly give?”

Mark
Ottawa
 
The start of a post by Terry Glavin that brings a lot of things together:

The Afghan Election: At History's Crossroads Stands A Single Canadian Traffic Cop
http://transmontanus.blogspot.com/2009/09/afghan-election-at-historys-crossroads.html

Momentous shifts in the course of human history can sometimes come down to some small drama unfolding in a far-off corner of the world. In this way, the weight of historical forces end up turning on chance events, luck, and the actions of lone individuals.

Grant Kippen is the head of Afghanistan's Electoral Complaints Commission, and whether he likes it or not, his name is about to go down in the annals of Afghan history. As the Times put it just yesterday, "the country’s future now lies largely in his hands." ..

Mark
Ottawa
 
What I really think, in case you hadn't sussed it, about Afstan and Canadian political attitudes.

The centre thinks that the Afghan government is not very good, thus no longer worthy of our military support. The left, especially the hard left, argues that the Afghan government is actually awful; so who cares if the Taliban retakes power? After all it's the Afghans' cultural right to truly horrrendous rule. Conservatives--and I mean with a capital "C"--sought political advantage from the war, did not properly explain it, and have since decided there is no such advantage. They now would rather take the fight to Mickey I.

All three Canadian political trends are simply unwilling to accept that casualties in some real numbers are sometimes necessary for our country to do its internationalist bit. Leave that to Uncle Sam and John Bull. And to their marines.

Moreover, don't bother about funding the Canadian Forces adequately to be a military capable of sustained combat operations in any real numbers.

And if, say, violent Islamic fundamentalism abroad really is a threat to us, to the rest of the West, and to many other people--go to the washroom since we won't pay the bill (to paraphrase John Manley in another context) for sticking around in the struggle .

Canadians love to talk the talk about being a, er, force in the world and still (delusionally) believe we are. But we will not walk the walk, nor pay the price. Not that most of the Western world is any better.

Mark
Ottawa
 
Some good points by Max Boot in the Wall St. Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204731804574388630158193104.html?mod=djemEditorialPage

Given declining poll numbers and rising casualty figures, it is no surprise that the chattering classes are starting to bail out on a war in Afghanistan that was launched with their enthusiastic support. From Sen. Russ Feingold on the left
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203706604574376872733294910.html
to columnist George Will on the right,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/31/AR2009083102912.html
these born-again doves seem to be chastened by the fact that the Taliban won’t simply stop fighting. Rather than rise to the challenge, they propose that we stick to what Mr. Will says “can be done from offshore, using intelligence, drones, cruise missiles, airstrikes and small, potent Special Forces units, concentrating on the porous 1,500-mile border with Pakistan, a nation that actually matters.”..

Losing wars is a bad thing. It is especially bad if you are a superpower that depends on an aura of invincibility to keep rogue elements at bay. That should go without saying, but those calling for a scuttle from Afghanistan seem to have forgotten this elementary lesson. They might cast their minds back to the 1970s when we were reeling from defeat in Vietnam and our enemies were on the march from Nicaragua to Iran. Or back to the 1990s when, following the U.S. pullout from Lebanon and Somalia, Osama bin Laden labeled us a weak horse that could be attacked with impunity.

A U.S. drawdown in Afghanistan would lead to defeat with consequences at least as serious. The Taliban would expand their control, probably seizing Kandahar, the principal city of the south. Then they would besiege Herat, Kabul and other urban centers. No doubt the central government could hold out for some time, and the Taliban would be unlikely to ever capture all of northern Afghanistan—territory they did not control even on Sept. 10, 2001. But they could certainly impose their diktat over substantial territories where narco-traffickers and terrorists would have free run.

The impact on Pakistan—"a nation that actually matters," in Mr. Will's words—is particularly sobering. To the extent that we have been able to stage successful attacks on al Qaeda strongholds in Pakistan, it is because we have secure bases in Afghanistan. To the extent that we have not been more successful in getting the government of Pakistan to eliminate the militants on its own, it is because we have not convinced all of the relevant decision-makers (particularly in the military and intelligence services) that we will be in the region for the long-term. Many Pakistanis still regard the U.S. as a fickle superpower—here today, gone tomorrow. That impression took hold after we left Afghanistan and Pakistan in the lurch in the 1990s after having made a substantial commitment to fight Soviet invaders in the 1980s.

If there is any wavering in our commitment to Afghanistan, officials in Pakistan will take that as confirmation that their old strategy of cutting deals with Islamic militants is more necessary than ever. That means that the Taliban and related groups, which have been on the defensive lately following a Pakistani army offensive, will be more secure than ever in their sanctuaries. They will then use these bases not only to try to topple the governments in Kabul and Islamabad but also to stage international acts of terrorism. It would be the biggest victory for the jihadists since the Red Army marched out of Afghanistan and the biggest defeat for the U.S. since Vietnam...

Mr. Boot is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations
http://www.cfr.org/bios/5641/max_boot.html
and author, most recently, of "War Made New: Technology, Warfare, and the Course of History, 1500 to Today" (Gotham, 2006).

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/15/arts/15iht-idbriefs16B.3911107.html?_r=1

Mark
Ottawa
 
But problems in how the war has been fought so far (I suspect much of this analysis may also be applicable to what Canadians were doing at Kandahar)--and moral reasons for the campaign:

Cracking on in Helmand
Britain’s bloody campaign in Afghanistan has been marred by hubris, confusion and a failure to understand our Taliban adversaries

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/08/cracking-on-in-helmand/

...
The real problem remains that the US approach of “clear, hold and build” is a tactic, not a strategy. It leaves unanswered just how much of this vast, lawless country should be cleared and held...

An operation like Panther’s Claw may kill or drive away the Taliban, but may be counterproductive to winning or losing the longer war. Doing fewer things better—and letting the world know about them—can have greater effect than pouring more troops into an extended offensive.

But, given that we’re already so committed, would such conservation imply a great drawdown of our forces? Not necessarily. Newly vocal Afghan sceptics, like former diplomat and author Rory Stewart, underestimate the human cost of a grand disengagement. Stewart suggests a reduction of foreign troops from 90,000 to “perhaps 20,000,”
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v31/n13/stew01_.html
but this could lead to an explosion of violence and reprisal killing: if Nato forces were to withdraw suddenly, past experience shows that their local Afghan allies risk massacre. A sudden retreat would embolden those who confront the government, and by being perceived as a victory over the US, it could also help to further revive al Qaeda, a movement whose founding myth is of driving the Soviets from Afghanistan. Power needs to be put back in Afghan hands, harm undone and deals struck. But not from a position of sudden weakness.

Beyond our strategic interest in stability there also remains a moral case for the fight. Achieving a modicum of stability in Afghanistan would give meaning to all that loss of life. We cannot in good conscience abandon the place to anarchy...

Via BruceR.
http://www.snappingturtle.net/flit/archives/2009_09_03.html#006515

More on Helmand here.
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/precision-voting.htm

Mark
Ottawa
 
Sending message we're tired of fight boosts taliban;
Afghanistan: To Stay Or To Leave? Two Points Of View

Nigel Hannaford
Calgary Herald – Editorial
01 Sept 2009

What's happening in Afghanistan would be easier to get if those delivering the news did not so often seem to relish anything that seemed a setback for NATO forces. Thus, "The bloodiest summer for NATO . . . August the worst month . . . widespread allegations of election fraud . . . massive bomb kills scores in Kabul."

Sure, if it bleeds it leads, as we ghouls are supposed to exclaim to each other, (although I have never personally heard it said in earnest.) And that bomb story resonated with me, the device having exploded right where I was standing on July 16, near NATO's Kabul headquarters. Timing really is everything.

But some writers, having estimated how great are Afghanistan's challenges, then conclude easily that defeat must be inevitable and our present attempts to meet those challenges should consequently be abandoned. (The accompanying piece by George Will for example: I did not expect to disagree with him so profoundly, so soon after he joined our roster.) Meanwhile, there's that voice television anchors use to signal their feelings, that often leaves me wondering what they think would be so bad about a stable government in Kabul, that denied the use of a country the size of Alberta to terrorists contemplating a rerun of 9/11. Maybe it's just an alias for anti-Americanism: Heaven forbid history justify George W. Bush.

Anyway, we'd be better off on this side of the world, if those forces were defeated that are now arrayed against us on the other.

What of the case for discouragement? NATO casualties have indeed been numerous. The Taliban acted on their threats to disrupt the presidential election, hanging a few voters. There was a rocket attack on Kabul's airport, which missed, and the aforementioned bomb intended to show Kabul's inability to guarantee security in its own Green Zone. Finally, pessimists point with gloomy delight to Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who recently did the talk-show circuit declaring the situation was "serious," and "deteriorating."

There, if the top guy says we're losing, what hope is there? Cut and run.

Well, Mullen didn't say we were losing, but that the Taliban had become "a more sophisticated foe."

And the criticism of U. S. intervention in both Iraq and Afghanistan was that they didn't go in big. But now the Obama administration has decided to repeat in Afghanistan the surge that so changed the tempo in Iraq, the president still needs the support of the nation. Ergo, what else was Mullen going to say, but things were serious?Why else, indeed, was he even on TV? Clearly, the man was preparing the ground for a presidential decision to build up U. S. forces in Afghanistan.

Finally, how does the situation look from the Taliban side? It's no fun.

To the credit side of their ledger, they're still in business, have safe havens in Pakistan (although none in the Swat Valley, since Pakistan's army decided to take them down there,) and have huge influence if not quite outright control of an area of Afghanistan that is equivalent to Alberta north and west of the Peace River, but which contains only about six per cent of the country's population. They can blow things up in other parts of the country, and sometimes do.

However, if you were a Taliban leader expecting to soon reclaim the country you once ruled, you would have your own angsts.

First, you could not stop the election. Flawed as the result may be, it happened, and was good enough. Then, those people who experienced your exercise of power are not eager to endure it again, not even in the supposed Taliban heartland around Kandahar, where Canadian Forces continue to receive discreet tips and information from local people. Elsewhere, that half of the population that is not Pashtun abhors the idea of a penal code based not so much on sharia law as the Pashtun tribal interpretation of it. If the Taliban win Afghan hearts and minds, it can only be through intimidation.

Nor is time necessarily your friend. Nation-building is painfully slow, but thanks to western intervention, Kabul is well on the way to an effective, battle-ready army with looser rules of engagement than NATO. And while you have bloodied NATO, what western governments find it indelicate to point out is nevertheless true: you have lost far more men than they have, and America has the battlefield edge. There can be no successful set piece engagement with NATO forces, as you learned from the Canadians a few years ago. Therefore there can be no triumphant march on Kabul, only more bombings in an attempt to shake western resolve to stay long enough to give the central government the tools it needs to maintain power.

That, you can do, of course. But it's not a shortcut to power.

So, we all have the same problem. The difference is that the Taliban don't send the message that they're tired of the fight.

We do. And to the detriment of the troops on the ground.
 
More American wavering:

Should Obama go 'all in' on Afghanistan?
Before the president bets his chips on a military solution, he should figure out if there are other cards that can be played.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-bacevich7-2009sep07,0,5826004.story

By Andrew J. Bacevich

Back in January when he took office, Barack Obama had amassed a very considerable pile of chips. Events since then have appreciably reduced that stack. Should he wager what remains on Afghanistan? That's the issue the president now faces.

The first true foreign policy test of the Obama presidency has arrived, although not in the form of a crisis coming out of nowhere announced by a jangling telephone at 3 a.m. Instead, a steady drip-drip of accumulating evidence warns that Afghanistan is coming apart.

Unlike his predecessor, Obama has by no means consigned Afghanistan to the back burner. Since becoming president, he has declared the war there both necessary and winnable. He has ordered an increase to the U.S. troop commitment. He has installed a new commander. In effect, Afghanistan has displaced Iraq on the Pentagon's list of priorities. Yet all of this has amounted to little more than temporizing.

The really big decisions have yet to be made. The biggest of all is simply this: Is the president willing to go for broke? Is he committed to Afghanistan as Obama's war -- committed as George W. Bush was to his war in Iraq? Is he willing to pull out the stops, regardless of the obstacles ahead, despite evidence of eroding public support and disregarding the fact that many in his own party oppose the war outright?

Obama's advisors -- Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Michael Mullen and Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the commander on the ground in Afghanistan -- have been quite candid in arguing that half-measures won't suffice. The war is going badly. The Taliban is gaining in strength. Seven-plus years of allied efforts in Afghanistan have accomplished very little.

Even if the military's recently rediscovered catechism of counterinsurgency provides the basis for a new strategy, turning things around will take a very long time -- five to 10 years at least. Achieving success (however vaguely defined) will entail the expenditure of vast resources: treasure (no one will say how much) and, of course, blood (again, no one offers an estimate).

So the president faces a real challenge if he intends to make the case for starting from scratch in Afghanistan...

As difficult as it is to do so at a time when war has become a seemingly perpetual condition, when it comes to Afghanistan, the really urgent need is to recast the debate. Official Washington obsesses over the question: How do we win? Yet perhaps a different question merits presidential consideration: What alternatives other than open-ended war might enable the United States to achieve its limited interests in Afghanistan?

At this pivotal moment in his presidency, if Obama is going to demonstrate his ability to lead, he will direct his subordinates to identify those alternatives.

Andrew J. Bacevich is a professor of history and international relations at Boston University.

Mark
Ottawa
 
A broad perspective from Anne Applebaum in the Washington Post:

Will Obama Fight For Afghanistan?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/07/AR2009090702071.html

Perhaps this summer's record bloodshed did it, or perhaps it was the disappointment of the election, with its low turnout, accompanying violence and allegations of fraud. Whatever the reason, the Afghan war is suddenly at the center of political debate in several Western countries. At stake are not merely tactics and strategy but a far more fundamental question: Should we still be in Afghanistan at all?
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2009/09/ways-out-of-afstan.html

Given how different the political cultures of North America and Europe are sometimes alleged to be, the similarity of the arguments is striking. In the States, George Will has just pointed out that U.S. involvement in Afghanistan has lasted longer than its participation in World Wars I and II combined.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/31/AR2009083102912.html
In Germany, the defense minister caused an uproar by predicting that German troops might be in Afghanistan for another decade; opposition leaders immediately started calling for a much faster withdrawal. Faced with public disapproval, the Canadians have had to promise to withdraw troops by 2011. The Dutch are supposed to pull out in 2010. At a conference I attended in Amsterdam last weekend, a large audience cheered when a panelist denounced the war. Demands for a time frame -- "two more years and then out" -- can be heard almost everywhere.

Equally universal (and bipartisan) are complaints that the war's aims are unclear or unrealistic...

Which is, if you think about, all rather strange, since the goals of the war have never been in doubt in any European or North American capital [emphasis added]. "Winning" means we leave with a minimally acceptable government in place; "losing" means the Taliban takes over and al-Qaeda comes back. No one has ever pretended it would be easy. But this is a war that has never been properly explained to most of the populations fighting it. For years it has simply been the "good war," as opposed to the "bad war" in Iraq, and no one felt the need to argue further.

The results of this silence are most visible in those European countries whose people have been conned into believing that their troops aren't really fighting in Afghanistan but, rather, participating in an extensive armed charity operation. Germans, for example, were deeply disturbed to learn that a German commander called for the NATO airstrike that killed some 90 Afghans in Kunduz last week. This news surprised those Germans who thought their troops in Afghanistan were doing reconstruction work [more on Germans here and here].
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,635192,00.html
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2009/07/germans-doing-their-bit-for-afstan.html
Americans seemed shocked to discover that Marines were fighting this summer to retake previously safe areas, that the election was not going smoothly and that the government of President Hamid Karzai was corrupt. All of that has been clear for some time. But who was talking about it?

Following the lead of one of the region's most clairvoyant experts, Ahmed Rashid
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/04/AR2009090402277.html
I would argue that the situation in Afghanistan is not yet hopeless. As I wrote on the eve of the election, there is still a definite Afghan majority that wants not only peace but also some version of democracy. The central government still has a modicum of legitimacy, though it may not last long. The plan to increase troop levels in the near future to give the Afghan army time to grow stronger in the long term is not naive, particularly if accompanied by sensible investments in roads and agriculture. But such a plan cannot be carried out without public support, and public support will not be forthcoming unless politicians agitate for it...

On both sides of the Atlantic, Obama needs to cajole and convince, to produce plans and evidence, to show he has gathered the best people and the most resources possible -- to campaign, in other words, and campaign hard. If the health-care debate will determine his domestic fortunes, the outcome in Afghanistan will make or break his foreign policy. He has said many times that he supports the Afghan war in principle. Now we'll see whether he supports it in practice.

Mark
Ottawa
 
A post by Paul at Celestial Junk (his son is with the Army at Kandahar):

Pondering Afghanistan
http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2009/09/pondering-afghanistan.html

Mark
Ottawa
 
Downer from Deutschland (long article):

Can the War Be Won?
Disillusionment over Afghanistan Grows in West

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,647531,00.html

Public support for the war in Afghanistan is being undermined by incidents such as Friday's air strike, in which many civilians are reported to have died. US President Barack Obama and the commander of US and NATO forces in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal, want to try a new approach, but many analysts believe the war can no longer be won.

The images are shaky, but you can see things well enough to recognize that something is not right. And then it happens: An armored car belonging to Western forces races through the streets of an Afghan city. Panicked civilians scramble to get out of the way. A civilian car moves into the lane ahead of the military vehicle. The machine gunner aims, fires and scores a hit.

The military vehicle then races away while a number of Afghans run over to the attacked car, which is now in flames. They can be seen yelling and waving their arms frantically. Some of them try to help injured passengers out of the car.

"How many new insurgents is this patrol likely to have produced today?" a quiet voice asks in the darkened screening room. It belongs to Stanley McChrystal, 55, the new commander of US and NATO forces in Afghanistan. They call him "McThree", as his predecessors' names were McNeill and McKiernan...

Increasing Doubts

In Western countries, doubts about the point of the mission have been increasing. Promoting democracy? The results of the recent presidential election aren't scheduled to be announced until September 17, but it is already clear that they are going to be distorted by the ballot-box stuffing, false vote counts, and vote buying that went on on a massive scale. The incumbent, Hamid Karzai, is in the lead. He was the candidate favored by the West, a hope for progress in the country, a man who had a good relationship with America and a support base in Afghanistan. This is pretty much gone now. Karzai has lost much of the confidence the West had in him...

A controversy has broken out in the Obama administration over priorities in the region [emphasis added]. Hillary Clinton has pleaded in favor of sending in more soldiers and strengthening the focus on Afghanistan, while Vice President Joseph Biden has warned against losing sight of the importance of Pakistan, an unstable nuclear power that serves as a safe haven for the Taliban and Al-Qaida. 

Part 2: The Last Chance

McChrystal is responsible for Afghanistan. His new strategy may be the last chance to turn things around militarily in the Hindu Kush. The Dutch and Canadian governments have announced that they intend to withdraw their contingents by the year 2011. Canadian forces stationed in Kandahar have lost 128 of their soldiers. British troops stationed in Helmand province, a Taliban stronghold and center of opium poppy production, have had 212 of their men killed. The death toll appears to have brought about a significant change in the way the British view the military effort in Afghanistan. In an editorial published in July, in which it predicted the British public would soon decide the war is not worth the casualties, the Observer newspaper wrote: "Lives saved by bringing soldiers home will seem a surer benefit than the unproven hypothesis of preventing terrorism with a war thusands of miles away."..

Mark
Ottawa
 
Italy backs calls for Afghan meeting
The Calgary Sun
08 Sept 2009

Italy threw its weight yesterday behind calls for an international conference on Afghanistan to deal with security issues and to get political commitments from the new Afghan government on future plans.

Germany and Britain called on Sunday for a UN meeting on Afghanistan this year. Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini, in a speech in Lithuania, said he proposed that a meeting be at foreign minister level and should look at security. "Italy would like to see an international conference at foreign minister level, with our personal presence in Kabul, to set up a new compact between the new Afghan government and the international community," he said.

The conference would aim at developing Afghan ownership of areas where there had been little progress, he said, citing governance, the fight against corruption and human rights.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, launching the initiative with France and having consulted with Washington and NATO, said their conference would set new targets for transferring security responsibilities
 
And from Paul Wells of Maclean's magazine (who has been pretty level-headed):
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2008/12/growing-storm.html

It just keeps getting harder to believe in Afghanistan
http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/08/it-just-keeps-getting-harder-to-believe-in-afghanistan/

Mark
Ottawa
 
Based on his read of the commitment of his AQIM "hosts" during captivity, here's what now-freed (and former DND Deputy Minister from 1989 to 1995) Robert Fowler has to share with the CBC:
Retired Canadian diplomat Robert Fowler says the four months he spent in captivity with a band of al-Qaeda militants has fortified his critical view of Canada's role in Afghanistan ? that the time and money would be better spent elsewhere.

"I cannot object to the objective in Afghanistan, but I just don't think in the West that we are prepared to invest the blood or treasure to get this done," says Fowler, a veteran diplomat who was in Niger as a UN Special Envoy when he was captured last December.

In an exclusive interview with CBC chief correspondent Peter Mansbridge on The National, Fowler revealed details of his harrowing 130 days in captivity after he and assistant, Louis Guay, were abducted northwest of Niger's capital, Niamey.

"It strikes me as rather extreme that one goes out and looks for particularly complex misery to fix," Fowler said about Canada's mission in Afghanistan. "There's lots of things to fix that can be done more efficiently and probably more effectively."

(.... )

Though a "noble objective," Fowler describes the Afghan mission as one of the most "complex, challenging" missions.

(....)

"It's not just the commitment and the wasting of our youth and the enormous, enormous cost in difficult financial times. It's to get it done, we will have to do some unpleasant things. I mean some deeply hard, this isn't ? this is not a nice war." ....
 
milnews.ca said:


Mr. Fowler is not questioning the ethics of the mission or, even, its necessity. What worries him most, I think, is that Canadians, our aunts and uncles, neighbours, childhood friends and so on, are unprepared to invest the blood and treasure that is required.

No public support = no political support = a failing mission.

What to do? Find a way to “declare victory” in 2011. That may mean clarifying the aim(s) – it may mean fabricating a new one.

And after Afghanistan? An operational pause to recruit, train and re-equip? Or increasingly complex, bloody, frustrating and deadly missions in Africa? That’s my bet.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
No public support = no political support = a failing mission.

What to do? Find a way to “declare victory” in 2011. That may mean clarifying the aim(s) – it may mean fabricating a new one.

And after Afghanistan? An operational pause to recruit, train and re-equip? Or increasingly complex, bloody, frustrating and deadly missions in Africa? That’s my bet.
Sadly, I agree with your prediction - and what happens when we eventually face a situation, not unlike now, where the public/politicians/the political commonweal wants solutions yesterday to problems that have, in some cases, taken generations to get to where they are?  A warning to those wanting to help Africa instead of Afghanistan hoping for a popular, easier fix:  be very careful what you wish for....
 
Here's hoping:

U.S. Learned Its Lesson, Won't Abandon Afghanistan, Gates Says
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/08/AR2009090802802.html?referrer=emailarticlepg

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said in an interview broadcast this week that the United States would not repeat the mistake of abandoning Afghanistan, vowing that "both Afghanistan and Pakistan can count on us for the long term."..

Of course the defense secretary does not make the key decisions.

Meanwhile, Globeite John Ibbitson, back from Washington to be Ottawa bureau chief, is hard at the agenda:

Harper's fate tied up with Karzai's
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/harpers-fate-tied-up-with-karzais/article1279925/

With another election looming, and the situation in Afghanistan deteriorating, the Tories especially face electoral erosion over the Afghan adventure

Hamid Karzai's woes are Stephen Harper's woes.

With a federal election increasingly likely, Tuesday's confirmation of widespread fraud in the Afghanistan presidential election from a United Nations-backed election monitoring team is politically dangerous news for the Conservative Prime Minister, putting at even greater risk the Conservatives' embattled redoubt in Quebec and handing the NDP fresh ammunition in battleground ridings, especially in British Columbia.

The Afghan President is, after all, the Canadian Prime Minister's guy. The Conservative government has backed the Karzai administration despite widespread allegations that the regime is a corrupt kleptocracy, funnelling vast sums of aid and local revenues to friends and relations while sustaining unsavoury former warlords neck-deep in the drug trade...

Both Mr. Harper and Mr. Ignatieff employ the same mantra when the Afghanistan question is raised. The Canadian military commitment will end in 2011, they maintain, after which our nation will focus on rebuilding communities and institutions of governance.

But U.S. President Barack Obama has acknowledged that the war in Afghanistan is not being won and could be lost, which he uses to justify a dramatic increase in American forces in the county.

So even as the Americans ramp up their commitment, the Canadians prepare to wash their hands of theirs. Critics to the left of the Tories can rightly say that the 2011 deadline is simply this government's acknowledgment that the $11-billion spent and the 129 soldiers killed failed to accomplish much of anything.

The NDP will hammer that point in the Tory/NDP contests in British Columbia...

If Canadians go to the polls often enough, they may start to ask themselves just what our country has achieved in this quagmire, and why...

Update thought: Despite Mr Ibbitson's obvious hopes I don't see much at an election:
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2009/09/cf-and-canadian-politics.html

...
If there is a federal election this fall I'll wager there is little or no attention paid either to Afstan or defence matters generally (that's what happened during the last campaign).
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2008/10/our-brain-dead-election.html
Pathetic.

Mark
Ottawa
 
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