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Afghanistan: Why we should be there (or not), how to conduct the mission (or not) & when to leave

Graehme Wood of The Atlantic is touring southern Afghanistan with US and Canadian troops.  His articles are an intersting foot-on-the ground narrative.

http://correspondents.theatlantic.com/graeme_wood/

My favourite quote so far:

The linguistic relationship of the French Canadians and their US and Afghan partners is rarely an obstacle, but is sometimes amusing to observe. At one point the radio says in rapid French that "the base is being attacked by multiple fighters on motorcycles, with small arms and supporting mortar fire." The translation for non-Canadians says in a thick Quebec accent that "the strong point is being attacked by..." -- and here there is a three-beat pause -- "the enemy."


 
I can see a Vietnam similar scenario where our air assets are kept in place, some, all, certainly the C-17s, and combat forces withdrawn.
I believe the air force leadership would support this idea and it could probably be sold to the Canadian public.
 
We can't stay in Afghanistan
NATO has 27 members, but only the Americans, Dutch, British and Canadians have supplied fighting forces

Peter Worthington
The Toronto Sun
14 Aug 09

A sense of horror seems to prevail over NATO's incoming secretary-general, Anders Rasmussen, wishing out loud that Canada would reverse its decision to pull combat troops out of Afghanistan in 2011.

This has caused some dismay among people who should know better. For starters, there's no likelihood that Canada will reverse its 2008 decision to pull back, if not out of, Afghanistan.

The Liberals who committed our troops to combat in Kandahar when they formed the government, want us out; the Tories who kept our troops in a fighting (as well as reconstructive) role, also want us out.

So out we're going.

Rasmussen's plea for Canada to continue its present combat role after 2011, is recognition that our soldiers have done a superb job -- not only in thumping the Taliban in every operation, but in helping rebuild the infrastructure wherever they could.

It's a view echoed by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, commander of NATO and U.S. Forces in Afghanistan.

A case can be made that without Canada leading security operations, the Kandahar area would be even more precarious than it is.

Now that the Americans have taken over, Canada's continued involvement is not so crucial -- useful and influential, but not crucial.

Rasmussen, Denmark's prime minister from 2001 to 2008, (correctly) insists a military presence is essential if civilian reconstruction is to succeed.

In the Globe and Mail two respected military observers, Eugene Lang and Eric Morse, take issue with Secretary-General Rasmussen "strongly regretting" Canada's decision to pull out of Kandahar in 2011.

Lang is an author who worked for two Liberal defence ministers, while Morse is a former diplomat and vice-chair of defence studies at the Royal Canadian Military Institute.

Lang and Morse dismiss Rasmussen as either being ignorant of Canada's stand, or that he seeks to provoke the Canadian public into changing the government's mind.

They also think Rasmussen's comments "blow a hole in the conventional wisdom that, as a result of Canada's commitment to and sacrifices in Afghanistan, our standing in NATO is at an all-time high."

On the contrary, it could be argued that because our record in Afghanistan has been so effective, this is precisely why NATO wants to keep our troops there, doing what they do now. Along with the Dutch (who are also leaving), the British and Americans, we are the only four of 27 NATO members who are putting bodies on the line to do what fighting is required.

The reluctance of most NATO countries to commit soldiers to fight, if necessary, bodes ill for NATO re-inventing itself as an international peacemaker, instead of remaining as an antiquated defensive alliance against Soviet acquisitive imperialism.

Too some, withdrawing before peace and security are established in Afghanistan, makes the sacrifices of the 127 Canadians who've been killed there, and the 1,000 or so who've been wounded, something of a waste and mockery.

Untrue, as Americans moving in takes pressure off our guys and gals.

Reality is that despite our weariness of combat, our equipment can't take it any more.

Vehicles of every sort badly need replacement, and that can take years. If the present government behaves as past governments have, the need today will be postponed to tomorrow ... and the day after tomorrow.

Wait and see ...
 
Anyone have any comments on this Torch post?

US Army ground strength at Kandahar: Upperdate
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2009/08/us-army-ground-strength-at-kandahar.html

Mark
Ottawa
 
MCG: Letter of mine in the Toronto Sun:

DON'T OVERLOOK THE DANES
http://www.torontosun.com/comment/letters/2009/08/17/10482086-sun.html

Re "We can't stay in Afghanistan" (Aug. 14),
http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/peter_worthington/2009/08/14/10459006-sun.html
Peter Worthington says "Along with the Dutch (who are also leaving), the British and Americans, we are the only four of 27 NATO members who are putting bodies on the line to do what fighting is required." Worthington, along with almost everyone else, is overlooking the strong Danish contribution in Afghanistan. Denmark has some 700 troops in the country -- most are committed to combat alongside the British in Helmand province. The Danes have suffered 24 fatalities. Denmark's troop contribution and fatalities are at least proportionate to Canada's. The Danes are certainly pulling their weight. It is a great pity that so little notice has been taken of their effort.

MARK COLLINS

OTTAWA

(Noted) [Sun comment]

More at The Torch:

No, no, Mr Rasmussen! Danes in Afstan noticed!
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2009/08/no-no-mr-rasmussen-danes-in-afstan.html

Mark
Ottawa
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Rasmussen is not an idiot so I have to agree with Lang’s conclusion; Rasmussen would never dare to make such an intervention towards America, Britain or France. He dares do it to Canada because, IN HIS MIND, we “don’t matter” very much.

This, from the "some matter more than others" department:
As NATO Secretary General, it is with great sadness that I recognise that over 200 brave and professional British servicemen and women have now lost their lives in Afghanistan.  I feel these losses keenly, as I feel the losses of other nations serving in the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force.  My thoughts go out to all the families affected, as does my gratitude to the troop contributing nations as a whole for the essential contribution they are making to the international effort in Afghanistan ....
Did I miss the (previous) NATO SecGen's statement highlighting Canada's 100th?  Or the US's 700th, for that matter?  Or am I being whiney here?
 
I think that at some senior political, military and bureaucratic levels of the alliance there is rather a lot of left-over ill will towards Canada for the late ‘60s, ‘70s and ‘80s when we appeared intent on getting a major free ride.

It is important to remember that, in 1970, when we decided, unilaterally, to shrug off our share of the common defence burden, many Europeans and Americans were still very worried about a potential (not just possible) Soviet attack. This was long before Gorbachev came on the scene, a generation before the wall fell and the USSR collapsed. Canada decided to become a military freeloader. That might not have been quite as bad if we had been a quiet, polite military freeloader but that was not the case. Canadians hectored their allies, wagging prissy, generally anti-American, fingers in the faces of the people who were carrying a full load. It was bad policy (stupid is not too strong a word) and it was badly implemented – but it was good domestic politics. It “played” well in several parts of the country.

A lot of NATO folks have very, very long institutional memories and our considerable contribution and sacrifices in the Balkans and Afghanistan have not erased our reputation as weak sisters.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
I think that at some senior political, military and bureaucratic levels of the alliance there is rather a lot of left-over ill will towards Canada for the late ‘60s, ‘70s and ‘80s when we appeared intent on getting a major free ride.

It is important to remember that, in 1970, when we decided, unilaterally, to shrug off our share of the common defence burden, many Europeans and Americans were still very worried about a potential (not just possible) Soviet attack. This was long before Gorbachev came on the scene, a generation before the wall fell and the USSR collapsed. Canada decided to become a military freeloader. That might not have been quite as bad if we had been a quiet, polite military freeloader but that was not the case. Canadians hectored their allies, wagging prissy, generally anti-American, fingers in the faces of the people who were carrying a full load. It was bad policy (stupid is not too strong a word) and it was badly implemented – but it was good domestic politics. It “played” well in several parts of the country.

A lot of NATO folks have very, very long institutional memories and our considerable contribution and sacrifices in the Balkans and Afghanistan have not erased our reputation as weak sisters.


I suspect you are right about long memories. There may be a little bit of deflecting attention away from their own shortcomings here, and we make a convenient target as we are too puny militarily and economically to pose much of a threat to anybody. Having said that, far too often our diplomatic forays or policy initiatives are ill-timed, inept and/or draped in naked inward looking self-interest described in self-congratulatory bombast. Having played the NATO grasshopper to the others' ants for four decades, we should not be surprised if our sincerity and staying power are questioned. And nobody else gives a hoot what we think anyhow.

 
At the fundraising luncheon at the BCD Armoury on Friday, 14 Aug, the CDS, in response to a question, stated very clearly that Parliament had voted. After the withdraw date in 2011 there will be no CF personnel in Afghanistan. No PRT, no mentors, no security force for aid programs. He stated this the day before on local TV while visiting Vernon Cadet Camp.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
A lot of NATO folks have very, very long institutional memories and our considerable contribution and sacrifices in the Balkans and Afghanistan have not erased our reputation as weak sisters.

Thanks for that tidbit - puts into better perspective...

 
If you wanted to cite the 700 Danes as being a 'major contribution' - what about these other NATO folks:

Belgium - 650
Bulgaria – 610
Germany – 4,220
Italy – 3,650
Norway – 598
Poland – 2,000
Romania – 1,025
Spain – 790
Turkey - 730

Or is it just the # of dead/injured that make it a significant contribution?
 
Simian Turner: Denmark's population is 5.5 million, 1/6th  Canada's.  On an equivalent per capita basis they would have 3,500 troops in Afstan and have suffered 144 deaths.  Rather impressive I'd say (the Sun edited out that part of my letter).

Of the country's you list only Poland and Romania have an official (if limited) combat role.

Mark
Ottawa
 
Simian Turner said:
If you wanted to cite the 700 Danes as being a 'major contribution' - what about these other NATO folks:

Belgium - 650
Bulgaria – 610
Germany – 4,220
Italy – 3,650
Norway – 598
Poland – 2,000
Romania – 1,025
Spain – 790
Turkey - 730

Or is it just the # of dead/injured that make it a significant contribution?

On a straight per capita basis Mark is right, Denmark (1 soldier in A'stan for every 7,850 Danes) and Norway (1/8,025) are contributing more than Canada (1 for 11,785).
 
After Kandahar
Canada will pull its troops out of combat in Afghanistan in 2011, and we must decide what the new role will be for our military

Major-General (ret'd) Cam Ross
The Ottawa Citizen
17 Aug 09

Canada will reduce its commitment in Afghanistan in 2011. As Canadians consider their future role in the world they must not confuse reality with wishful thinking.

While the extent of Canada's withdrawal from Afghanistan has yet to be determined, Ottawa has clearly signalled Canada will have a reduced combat footprint. The key words are "reduced" and "combat." We can initially expect 1,000 to 1,500 troops remaining to assist in training and development.

And there will no doubt be an element of combat capability that will be included to provide security for those trainers and civilians.

However, the bulk of the Canadian battle group will return home. The new NATO chief does not want that to happen. He wants Canada to stay the course; but that is not likely.

The reality is that there are four immovable truths. None have anything to do with how incredibly effective our troops are.

First, the polls, while extraordinarily supportive of the Canadian Forces, reflect increasing calls to "bring the troops home."

Second, it was not just the Harper government that decided on the 2011 reduction. By astutely commissioning the Manley Panel, Prime Minister Stephen Harper laid the groundwork for a parliamentary vote to stay until 2011. A similar all-party agreement would have to be undertaken to change the current 2011 decision, which is very unlikely.

Third, Afghanistan is expensive in dollars as well as human capital. At a time of soaring national debt, it will be increasingly difficult to rationalize such expeditionary expenses. Also, we are entering an Arctic sovereignty era in which the military has a role. The cost will be immense.

Most importantly, the human cost in casualties and attrition from repeat tours is staggering. One combat unit's recent study revealed that over a 33-month period, troops were spending, on average, 22 months away from home. Afghanistan has placed Canada's army, one of the best in the world, under tremendous strain.

At 19,000 soldiers, the Canadian army fits into Calgary's Saddledome. Three thousand of those soldiers are in Afghanistan, 3,000 more are training to go, and another 3,000 have just returned home. This situation is unsustainable.

Fourth, Afghanistan presents a political burr under the saddle for a minority government, regardless of the party stripe. With a rebounding economy on the horizon, there will be a great temptation to hold an election within the year, and the pressure on all parties to remove that Afghanistan burr will be immense.



M-Gen (ret'd) Cam Ross, a former UN assistant secretary general and force commander of UNDOF on the Golan Heights, is a fellow of the Canadian Defence and Foreign Affairs Institute.
 
Worthington stated "NATO has 27 members, but only the Americans, Dutch, British and Canadians have supplied fighting forces."

ER Campbell states, "On a straight per capita basis Mark is right, Denmark (1 soldier in A'stan for every 7,850 Danes) and Norway (1/8,025) are contributing more than Canada (1 for 11,785)

Mark stated:
MarkOttawa said:
Simian Turner: Denmark's population is 5.5 million, 1/6th Canada's. On an equivalent per capita basis they would have 3,500 troops in Afstan and have suffered 144 deaths. Rather impressive I'd say (the Sun edited out that part of my letter). Of the country's you list only Poland and Romania have an official (if limited) combat role. Mark Ottawa

Numbers are whatever you want to make of them. I assume you state official combat role to omit discussion of the Special Forces not officially serving there and the fact that the others are providing security forces not currently in combat.

As for the numbers:
- Denmark has 25,000 soldiers in their full-time defence forces (38% of our total regular force) of which 10,560 are active Army pers (which is approximately 50% of what we have).  Therefore on a capability basis they could have an even bigger footprint (twice as many pers).

- Estonia also a NATO member has 289 troops deployed along side Brits and Danes in Helmand province (mostly PRT), they draw from a population is 1,300,000 (1/25 Canada), 1 soldier for every 4498 Estonians, and they have the equivalent of 7,225 troops and have suffered 4 deaths (equivalent 100 deaths).
 
Thinking about Afstan--a challenge to the policies of Western countries:

What the West needs in Afghanistan: humility
A failing campaign calls for recalibrated purpose, not a redoubled effort.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0817/p09s03-coop.html

As Western military casualties in Afghanistan mount, the troop-contributing nations are blaming common scapegoats: ill-equipped soldiers, not enough helicopters, wrong vehicles, too many constraints on military actions, too little money, and poor leadership.

Their solutions seem simple: Increase the troops, give them more or different equipment, deliver more local development, even change the military leadership. The result should be fewer casualties and a nation on a path to stability and prosperity.

But if the experience in Afghanistan and other attempts at state-building teach anything, it is of the need to get the strategy and politics right first. At the onset of such missions, the right questions have to be asked: "For what purpose?", "How?", and "How long?" With the Afghan presidential election upcoming on Aug. 20 and Western forces contemplating how best to support local allies, these questions are as relevant today as they were at the start of the mission in 2001.

Today the mission in Afghanistan is failing because the purpose is unclear.
That's not to say that it's a lost cause. But instead of responding with a redoubled effort, how about a healthy dose of humility, a recognition that success will depend on internal Afghan actions rather than external Western ones?..

...the international formula for fixing failed states from Afghanistan to Sierra Leone is largely the same – a local political solution (often internationally brokered) followed by dollops of aid, often delivered by the only agency willing and capable of operating in such environments: the (foreign) military.

That institution, however, deflects focus from the political framework required for long-term change, stability, and prosperity. The military's commendable work in building schools, digging wells, opening healthcare centers, and bolstering local security forces is no substitute for a political agenda that is inevitably messy, complex, and fraught with setbacks and compromise, only progressing as the locals want.

Donor governments don't like this, of course. In a media age, they prefer delivery on things that can be seen and counted rather than dealing with more nebulous and inevitably high-maintenance local and regional political alliances. Problems also arise because the international parties routinely underestimate their opponents, militarily, politically, and in terms of their staying power. It is also because, in their eagerness to help themselves by helping others, they risk appearing not only messianic but imperialistic...

Unlike Iraq, Afghanistan may be a war of necessity rather than choice, but to date it is a campaign constructed on little more than hope, caricature, and hubris. Since its success or failure depends on how seriously Afghans take each other and the task at hand, a little humility and a little less external enlightenment and direction could work wonders. It would certainly help to take the shine off the imperial reflection and outline a cause worth fighting for – or not.

Greg Mills heads the Brenthurst Foundation,
http://www.thebrenthurstfoundation.org/people.htm
based in Johannesburg, South Africa, which fosters policies to boost Africa's economic performance. He served in 2006 as an adviser to the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan [emphasis added].
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2006/05/afstan-update-uk-general-takes-command.html
He is currently on leave as a visiting scholar at Cambridge University.

Some interesting reading from 2006 concerning the ISAF commander, esp. the "tipping point",
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2006/07/afstan-change-of-military-focus-in_31.html
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2006/08/afstan-nato-isaf-commander-hopes-for.html
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2006/10/afstan-at-tipping-point.html

and, in retrospect, the comparative lack of success in the counterinsurgency--see second part of this post:
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2009/08/canadian-kill-taliban-mortar-teamwhat.html

Mark
Ottawa
 
Simian Turner said:
Or is it just the # of dead/injured that make it a significant contribution?

I'd venture that what they are actually doing would be key for judging a nation's contribution.  Is it a small force with a large NCE and national caveats that llimit its flexibility?  Then it ain't much of a contribution, in my opinion.
 
Once again, despite our stellar contribution to this operation, I do not think Canada is in a position to hector its NATO partners, tempting though it may be.

We are, right now, punching above our weight, but it’s only after a long period of “freeloading.” It would be most appropriate to lead by the example of our actions and let them speak for themselves. Leave some Europeans and the Americans to chide other Europeans. The old saying that silence is golden is usually true – it is especially true when Canada may want to talk about “burden sharing” for thirty of the past forty years.
 
We may not be in a position to hector, but that has never restrained Canadian politicians in the past, and I doubt if it willl anytime soon.
 
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