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2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

That's a localized GTA issue, primarily due to overpopulation/overimmigration, not lack of housing.
A. Tell that to Calgary.

B. Southern Ontario =/= GTA, but their problems become our problems as people go farther afield to find housing

C. Our problems become your problems, as remote work and economic migration creates people with SW Ontario $$ and willingness to pay breaking containment and destabilizing markets across the country.
 
A. Tell that to Calgary.

B. Southern Ontario =/= GTA, but their problems become our problems as people go farther afield to find housing

C. Our problems become your problems, as remote work and economic migration creates people with SW Ontario $$ and willingness to pay breaking containment and destabilizing markets across the country.

Again, overpopulation and immigration. We need to close the doors to immigration and only let in a trickle, not a wave.
 
Again, overpopulation and immigration. We need to close the doors to immigration and only let in a trickle, not a wave.
Far too simplistic an answer to a far
more complex issue.

- The majority of the Canadian economy is tied to cities. They are also largely foreign owned entities that want a central hub for their enterprises. That's why the jobs are there.

- jobs need workers. Workers are people who can do and are willing to the jobs asked of them. Workers also need to live where the jobs are.

- Canadian cities have done everything imaginable to limit housing growth because it costs more money to build, maintain, and operate the infrastructure to support it. Therefore it makes the housing available that much more rare of a commodity and unattainable to your average worker.

-Our population is aging rapidly, and our fertility rate is in the shitter (1.26 births per family) largely due to cost being too high to start a family. Those replacement workers are not likely coming from Canadians.

- If no workers, why employ in cities/Canada? Jobs move offshore or to remote positions in order to save costs.

-People who can move, do. Those who can't, stagnate in cities. The Detroit Scenario plays out. So everyone in government at all levels attempts to make cities function and attractive to newcomers beacause.... (return to top of list).

Its all well and good that we have lithium, uranium, LNG, oil, and other commodities that would transform our economy if we harness them. Until we are able to incentivize companies to stay here, develop those remote areas into something those newcomers want to flock to, we're stuck in the loop.

Slowing immigration would only serve to choke out our labour force that we need to support our economy.
 
I thought that was a great interview. But I will admit my biases towards support for PP as well.



I favor less income tax and more consumption tax.

So I could get behind you on this.
To each their own, I thought it was crap, especially that whole conversation that racism didn't exist in canada and only happened recently due to wokeism. That left me flabbergasted, the whole interview came off more like CPC propaganda light rather then an interview with any hard hitting or pressing questions to make him sweat.
 
There are few western democracies that have favorable demographics, but the USA is still one of them. What is better for Canada long term, importing loads of foreigners from India or the ME and other places that have less in common with our cultural values, or merging with the US?
 
-Our population is aging rapidly, and our fertility rate is in the shitter (1.26 births per family) largely due to cost being too high to start a family. Those replacement workers are not likely coming from Canadians.

Just a couple of small observations of my own.

I am a man of routine. Every Sunday I take the truck to my local PetroCan, fill it and she gets a wash and vacuum. I've been doing this close to 10 years. I had built up a pretty solid relationship with the clerk, to the point she would notice if I missed a week or if I was late. Very friendly, the kind of relationship I like from a place where I spend money. One Sunday I went in and she was gone and replaced with an Indian or Pakistani person.

Today, I went to my local Canadian Tire, it's the Canadian Tire I go to for most of RV, Home Repair, Outdoors and Hunting/Fishing needs. I would be in this store monthly at the least, and again I knew the clerks and a cordial relationship built. In fact one of the mangers offered me a job at the gun counter before I deployed in June '24. Today I went in to buy a can of compressed air, and keyless lock, and some light bulbs. And I didn't recognize a soul, again almost entirely the staff had changed into Indian or Pakistani even the manager who had been there a decade +.

My point is there seems to be something insidious going on. It doesn't look to me like our new Canadians are filling jobs others won't, it looks to me like born Canadians are being replaced for new Canadians.
 
There are few western democracies that have favorable demographics, but the USA is still one of them.
No it isn’t. They have below replacement rate births and has been declining over years?
What is better for Canada long term, importing loads of foreigners from India or the ME and other places that have less in common with our cultural values, or merging with the US?
None of the above. We can be more creative than the two scenarios that you propose.
 
Just a couple of small observations of my own.

I am a man of routine. Every Sunday I take the truck to my local PetroCan, fill it and she gets a wash and vacuum. I've been doing this close to 10 years. I had built up a pretty solid relationship with the clerk, to the point she would notice if I missed a week or if I was late. Very friendly, the kind of relationship I like from a place where I spend money. One Sunday I went in and she was gone and replaced with an Indian or Pakistani person.

Today, I went to my local Canadian Tire, it's the Canadian Tire I go to for most of RV, Home Repair, Outdoors and Hunting/Fishing needs. I would be in this store monthly at the least, and again I knew the clerks and a cordial relationship built. In fact one of the mangers offered me a job at the gun counter before I deployed in June '24. Today I went in to buy a can of compressed air, and keyless lock, and some light bulbs. And I didn't recognize a soul, again almost entirely the staff had changed into Indian or Pakistani even the manager who had been there a decade +.

My point is there seems to be something insidious going on. It doesn't look to me like our new Canadians are filling jobs others won't, it looks to me like born Canadians are being replaced for new Canadians.
Replacement theory?

Or did those Canadians move on from lower minimum wages jobs (like they should) to something else?
 
Replacement theory?

Or did those Canadians move on from lower minimum wages jobs (like they should) to something else?

I have no idea, if I ever meet them again I will ask what happened.

I should add in, I don't believe in the replacement theory like some folks do, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some financial or tax benefit for companies to hire new Canadians, that would make them more desirable than locals.
 
I have no idea, if I ever meet them again I will ask what happened.

I should add in, I don't believe in the replacement theory like some folks do, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some financial or tax benefit for companies to hire new Canadians, that would make them more desirable than locals.
Well let's face it, no one can make a living serving coffee for 10+ years at tims. It's a entry level job but it's also a job that it seems like many younger canadaians see as beneath them. As a result foreign labour takes the jobs people here don't want.
 
Well let's face it, no one can make a living serving coffee for 10+ years at tims. It's a entry level job but it's also a job that it seems like many younger canadaians see as beneath them. As a result foreign labour takes the jobs people here don't want.
One thing that at least one Provincial Government did was to raise the minimum worker age, making it very difficult for anyone under 16 to get an entry level job in a service industry. This was done under the aegis of “safety”. But, now I wonder if a bunch lobbyists sold it, knowing that TFWs would be the only logical source of labour once teenagers were taken out of the labour market…
 
There are already GST rebates that are income tested.
Yep, but if, right now, you're not paying significant (or any) income tax a reduction there will not be helpful. I know that GST rebates don't cover all your GST payments, so any increase there will be a net loss for low income people.
 
... I wouldn't be surprised if there was some financial or tax benefit for companies to hire new Canadians, that would make them more desirable than locals.
I know that in the U.S., folks working under certain visas can't quit their jobs lest they get the boot - even Ann Coulter's picked up on that ....
If that mechanism is in place in Canada, it sure would be an incentive for employers to provide only the lowest-common-denominator of management to workers who can't get away.

I ask this because I don't know what the rules are in Canada - and I suspect the rules are convoluted and different for different types of visas as well. As always, happy to be corrected/educated.
 
I have no idea, if I ever meet them again I will ask what happened.

I should add in, I don't believe in the replacement theory like some folks do, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some financial or tax benefit for companies to hire new Canadians, that would make them more desirable than locals.
My guess would be inter-provincial migration at the manager/franchisee level. 2nd or established 1st gen Canadians that have worked their tails off in the GTA seek greener pastures to pursue their own entrepreneurial dreams when they're ready. Bringing working family members, friends from within their diaspora with them to work. Then layer on TFW to fill in the gaps.
 
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