2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

[ArmyRick]

JOB OPENING: PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA
Availability: Next General Election
Qualifications required

1. To not be Justin Trudeau;
2. To not have worn black face:
3. To not have insulted several trong women in parliament;
4. To not be a champion gas lighter;
5. To not do budgets with crayons on the back of a cereal box while drinking the third bottle of wine;
6. To not go surfing on Indigenous Reconciliation Day;
7. To not chase every single left wing cause possible;
8. To Understand very clearly how National Borders work; and
9. To embrace integrity, accountability and transparency.

All suitable Men, Women, Chimpanzees and all other primates who meet these qualifications may apply.

 

[Lumber]

You are never going to get some people to say a positive thing about PP mon ami.

I love the way he would eviscerate liberal committee members with uncomfortable questions that required uncomfortable answers to which the liberals would just stare at him in silence stuck and unable to speak.

It's not that hard to dislike someone in general and yet still appreciate their strengths.

 

[OldSolduer]

JOB OPENING: PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA
Availability: Next General Election
Qualifications required

1. To not be Justin Trudeau;
2. To not have worn black face:
3. To not have insulted several trong women in parliament;
4. To not be a champion gas lighter;
5. To not do budgets with crayons on the back of a cereal box while drinking the third bottle of wine;
6. To not go surfing on Indigenous Reconciliation Day;
7. To not chase every single left wing cause possible;
8. To Understand very clearly how National Borders work; and
9. To embrace integrity, accountability and transparency.

All suitable Men, Women, Chimpanzees and all other primates who meet these qualifications may apply.

2. I put cam paint on a lot - is that acceptable?

6. I don't surf,

9. I kinda think I know about those things.

 

[dimsum]

I love the way he would eviscerate liberal committee members with uncomfortable questions that required uncomfortable answers to which the liberals would just stare at him in silence stuck and unable to speak.

It's not that hard to dislike someone in general and yet still appreciate their strengths.

Must…not…make…remarks…about…Autobahn…

 

[The Bread Guy]

Pretty specific allegations from Radio Canada, with Rempel Garner clearly denying any shenanigans.

Agents of Indian government interfered in Patrick Brown’s Conservative leadership campaign: sources | RCI

Poilievre's office says it knows nothing about alleged foreign interference

ici.radio-canada.ca

"Ahead of a parliamentary committee meeting on Monday in Ottawa, Conservative MP Michelle Rempel Garner walks away from CBC journalist Chris Rands as he attempts to ask a question about allegations that she was pressured to withdraw her support for Patrick Brown during his 2022 Conservative Party of Canada leadership race ..."

Here's bits of her statement from the CBC piece ....

... and this is her Substack post (Jun 23, 2022) re: considering giving the UCP boss gig a go ....

I just made a big decision

In the past three weeks I have been approached by many people to consider offering in the United Conservative Party leadership race.

michellerempelgarner.substack.com

Barring some significant weasel wording on Rempel Garner's part, or on the part of the unnamed sources, I have a hard time thinking she'd say nothing happened when something actually did.

The June 2024 NSICOP report's redacted take ....

 

[The Bread Guy]

For the record, CP's newsmaker of the year ....

Pierre Poilievre is The Canadian Press Newsmaker of the Year for second year in a row

OTTAWA - For the second year in a row, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has been chosen as The Canadian Press Newsmaker of the Year.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

 

[Halifax Tar]

Interesting

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869117152168751596

 

[The Bread Guy]

Interesting

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869117152168751596

ABL.

 

[Halifax Tar]

ABL.

Funny how the monsters we create often turn back on us.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Funny how the monsters we create often turn back on us.

They say history may not always repeat itself, but it often rhymes.

 

[ArmyRick]

This is what a leader sounds like

 

[ArmyRick]

So it has been five minutes since I pissed people off but here I go. I was quiet on Christmas day because my wife has threatened to beat the shit out of me if I discuss politics on Xmas, online.

Now, here we go. There is a difference between being politically minded and being partisan blind party follower.

Here we go. My mother had a friend over to visit. We will call her J. No name, no shame. J is a white immigrant women from a European nation in the 40s (she is mid 80s but is not senile or doesn't appear to be).

She was banging on and on about Trump (you know, he is worse than King Kong and Godzilla combined), and the conversation turns to Pierre Poilievre. She goes on and on about what a horrible person he is and how he is the Canadian version of Trump. I asked her if she ever listened to an interview or listen to him speak. She declares she will never give him the time of day. Really? Lets see.

I hold up an image of NDP MP Charlie Angus on my phone and without pointing to the photo or saying anything about it, I said "So you think Pierre Poilievre is not fit to lead the country?" She then points to the image of old Charlie and says what a slob and look at him, he is an angry old white man. Absolutely she will never vote for him. OK. First fail.

Not satisfied, I then pull up a video of Pierre speaking to I believe Brian Lilley at Toronto Sun. I say "Hey J, here is a possible replacement for Trudeau as head of the Liberals and future Prime Minister of Canada, his name is Jean Levesque (obviously bullshit)" I play the video skipping the first few minutes so his name is not mentioned. When he talks about standing up for Canada and TRump can smell fear in Trudeau, etc, etc. She then says "Absolutely I could vote this Jean guy, listen to him...." She prattled on a few seconds. She even declared she would switch her vote from NDP to Liberal if "Jean" took over the party. Go figure. OK, epic fail number two.





This is what is wrong with Canadians and politics.

 

[RangerRay]

I’m not surprised.

Since the fragmentation of the media and the onset of streaming services, nobody watches the suppertime or late news broadcasts anymore, therefore only have a scant understanding of current events. If they’re getting their “news” from their friends on social media, they are going to be getting warped sense of what’s going on in the world. Why tune into TV (or online for that matter) for the evening news or read the newspaper online when there are so many other things to watch? And why watch stodgy “mainstream” news when you can get your news from someone that tickles your ideological erogenous zones?

I don’t know how that’s fixed. The government’s various media/internet bills and other policies they have enacted will only make things worse. I’m not sure if the toothpaste can be put back in the tube. Caveat lector.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I’m not surprised.

Since the fragmentation of the media and the onset of streaming services, nobody watches the suppertime or late news broadcasts anymore, therefore only have a scant understanding of current events. If they’re getting their “news” from their friends on social media, they are going to be getting warped sense of what’s going on in the world. Why tune into TV (or online for that matter) for the evening news or read the newspaper online when there are so many other things to watch? And why watch stodgy “mainstream” news when you can get your news from someone that tickles your ideological erogenous zones?

I don’t know how that’s fixed. The government’s various media/internet bills and other policies they have enacted will only make things worse. I’m not sure if the toothpaste can be put back in the tube. Caveat lector.

We can start with having an unbiased, non partisan media. One that leaves out opinion and only reports the facts. Telling the truth, warts and all, would likely help restore Canadians trust.

 

[suffolkowner]

So it has been five minutes since I pissed people off but here I go. I was quiet on Christmas day because my wife has threatened to beat the shit out of me if I discuss politics on Xmas, online.

Now, here we go. There is a difference between being politically minded and being partisan blind party follower.

Here we go. My mother had a friend over to visit. We will call her J. No name, no shame. J is a white immigrant women from a European nation in the 40s (she is mid 80s but is not senile or doesn't appear to be).

She was banging on and on about Trump (you know, he is worse than King Kong and Godzilla combined), and the conversation turns to Pierre Poilievre. She goes on and on about what a horrible person he is and how he is the Canadian version of Trump. I asked her if she ever listened to an interview or listen to him speak. She declares she will never give him the time of day. Really? Lets see.

I hold up an image of NDP MP Charlie Angus on my phone and without pointing to the photo or saying anything about it, I said "So you think Pierre Poilievre is not fit to lead the country?" She then points to the image of old Charlie and says what a slob and look at him, he is an angry old white man. Absolutely she will never vote for him. OK. First fail.

Not satisfied, I then pull up a video of Pierre speaking to I believe Brian Lilley at Toronto Sun. I say "Hey J, here is a possible replacement for Trudeau as head of the Liberals and future Prime Minister of Canada, his name is Jean Levesque (obviously bullshit)" I play the video skipping the first few minutes so his name is not mentioned. When he talks about standing up for Canada and TRump can smell fear in Trudeau, etc, etc. She then says "Absolutely I could vote this Jean guy, listen to him...." She prattled on a few seconds. She even declared she would switch her vote from NDP to Liberal if "Jean" took over the party. Go figure. OK, epic fail number two.





This is what is wrong with Canadians and politics.

interesting that you mention Charlie Angus as i believe that he had indicated that he might not be interested in bringing down the govt no matter the position on that matter by Singh

Still think I much prefer O'Toole and probably even Brown although hes a little greasy

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I’m not surprised.

Since the fragmentation of the media and the onset of streaming services, nobody watches the suppertime or late news broadcasts anymore, therefore only have a scant understanding of current events. If they’re getting their “news” from their friends on social media, they are going to be getting warped sense of what’s going on in the world. Why tune into TV (or online for that matter) for the evening news or read the newspaper online when there are so many other things to watch? And why watch stodgy “mainstream” news when you can get your news from someone that tickles your ideological erogenous zones?

I don’t know how that’s fixed. The government’s various media/internet bills and other policies they have enacted will only make things worse. I’m not sure if the toothpaste can be put back in the tube. Caveat lector.

I get far more indepth and broad view of world events from social media than I ever got from the MSM, with a few small exceptions in regards to a handful of specific journalists.

 

[ArmyRick]

Still think I much prefer O'Toole and probably even Brown although hes a little greasy

Why do you prefer those two over Pierre? Reasons?

 

[ArmyRick]

Charlie Angus as i believe that he had indicated that he might not be interested in bringing down the govt no matter the position on that matter by Singh

Two theories on this

1. Singh wants him to "oppose" his direction he indicated (Singh has "vowed" to bring down Trudeau ASAP), he may use Charlie's position to see what the polls are doing for the NDP (test the waters so to speak); or
2. Charlie Angus just wants to defy the Conservatives because "conservatives are always bad and evil, they will cut your health care, your social spending, they will eat your children and take your souls blah, blah, blah".

I really hope its number 1. If you have a really good look at pretty much ALL the polls, it isn't just the Liberals that are in deep trouble. The NDP is probably going to suffer worst. Singh flip flopping on Trudeau has absolutely destroyed the NDP brand.

 

[brihard]

Two theories on this

1. Singh wants him to "oppose" his direction he indicated (Singh has "vowed" to bring down Trudeau ASAP), he may use Charlie's position to see what the polls are doing for the NDP (test the waters so to speak); or
2. Charlie Angus just wants to defy the Conservatives because "conservatives are always bad and evil, they will cut your health care, your social spending, they will eat your children and take your souls blah, blah, blah".

I really hope its number 1. If you have a really good look at pretty much ALL the polls, it isn't just the Liberals that are in deep trouble. The NDP is probably going to suffer worst. Singh flip flopping on Trudeau has absolutely destroyed the NDP brand.

LPC would need 15 supporting votes, approximately, to survive a confidence motion assuming all current MPs show up. They’ll pick up a couple of the independent votes. Assuming all LPC vote confidence, only by a major fracture in the NDP, to the extent that it would indicate Singh does not control his party, could LPC survive.

 

[ArmyRick]

LPC would need 15 supporting votes, approximately, to survive a confidence motion assuming all current MPs show up. They’ll pick up a couple of the independent votes. Assuming all LPC vote confidence, only by a major fracture in the NDP, to the extent that it would indicate Singh does not control his party, could LPC survive.

The other wild card is Trudeau. If Trudeau announces he is stepping down, I see the LPC covering him (voting with him) to protect the party. If he stays, I think many a back bencher will turn against him.