2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

[Edward Campbell]

Latest from Angus Reid:

46% are “fearful of CPC forming govt” (their words, not mine), 35% are hopeful, 54% say CPC has a hidden agenda.

More details in the link.

CPC policy hypotheticals: Canadians see a balanced budget, longer jail time as ‘good’; defunding CBC as ‘bad’ -

Majority believe CPC has ‘hidden agenda’ it won’t reveal until the party is in office September 18, 2024 – The House of Commons returns from its summer break this week in a more precarious situation than it left, as the minority Liberals govern without the firm backstop of a supply and...

angusreid.org

I highlight that this question highlights the difference on voting against the current govt, versus voting for the current party in the lead. So while a majority of people want the LPC out, it doesn’t necessarily mean they want the CPC in.

That's consistent with my views on "bases" of the various parties: BQ: 7% Green: 4% Liberal: 23% NDP: 12% then you have solid Conservative: 25% plus "afraid of Poilievre but even more sick and tired" of Prime Minister Trudeau:" 10%.

 

[Good2Golf]

Latest from Angus Reid:

46% are “fearful of CPC forming govt” (their words, not mine), 35% are hopeful, 54% say CPC has a hidden agenda.

More details in the link.

…article linked…

I highlight that this question highlights the difference on voting against the current govt, versus voting for the current party in the lead. So while a majority of people want the LPC out, it doesn’t necessarily mean they want the CPC in.

No, not “their words.” Their answers to chose one of five phrases that Angus Reid provided them:

• Very hopeful
• More hopeful than fearful
• More fearful than hopeful
• Very fearful
• Not sure

As opposed to giving respondents the opportunity to provide an adjective themselves, then statistically tallying and ranking the top responses.

The question was formulated as though the only choices are to be hopeful, fearful or neither of those two…

Then it’s easy for pundits to say, “a large portion of Canadians are fearful of Poilievre!” See! The surveys prove it.

 

[dimsum]

No, not “their words.” Their answers to chose one of five phrases that Angus Reid provided them:

• Very hopeful
• More hopeful than fearful
• More fearful than hopeful
• Very fearful
• Not sure

As opposed to giving respondents the opportunity to provide an adjective themselves, then statistically tallying and ranking the top responses.

The question was formulated as though the only choices are to be hopeful, fearful or neither of those two…

Then it’s easy for pundits to say, “a large portion of Canadians are fearful of Poilievre!” See! The surveys prove it.

I agree that there should have been a “neither hopeful nor fearful” between the “mores”, but in terms of creating the survey, if they’re going to let people write their own responses, it would be X number of other responses (“wait and see”, “love it”, etc) they would have to sift through and rack/stack.

I mean, “they’re all morons” should be a choice but that doesn’t really translate to how they would (or not) vote.

 

[Good2Golf]

The limited choice to fearful and hopeful themselves are deliberately polarizing adjectives. It wouldn’t be at all difficult to form a more objective survey…provide a range of say 20 adjectives that could reasonably be assessed to represent of spectrum of sentiment, then allow respondent to rate their top three choice in a manner that would weight the choices, then creat a word cloud from the consolidated responses. It was either lazy or deliberate on the part of ARI.

 

[Quirky]

, 54% say CPC has a hidden agenda.

Given the known agenda of the LPC/NDP incompetence, I’ll take anything different at this point.

 

[Remius]

Given the known agenda of the LPC/NDP incompetence, I’ll take anything different at this point.

That is likely a common sentiment.

 

[Remius]

'Going behind his back': Tory MPs support federal housing program that Poilievre vowed to cancel

Five Conservative MPs have written letters to the Liberal housing minister asking him to grant their communities funding from a program that Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre this week called disastrous and promised to cancel.

www.ctvnews.ca

Not all party rebellions are about getting rid of the leader.

 

[ArmyRick]

'Going behind his back': Tory MPs support federal housing program that Poilievre vowed to cancel

Five Conservative MPs have written letters to the Liberal housing minister asking him to grant their communities funding from a program that Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre this week called disastrous and promised to cancel.

www.ctvnews.ca

Not all party rebellions are about getting rid of the leader.

Haha ho ho hee hee, yeah sure. I don't buy it. At all.

 

[The Bread Guy]

'Going behind his back': Tory MPs support federal housing program that Poilievre vowed to cancel

Five Conservative MPs have written letters to the Liberal housing minister asking him to grant their communities funding from a program that Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre this week called disastrous and promised to cancel.

www.ctvnews.ca

Not all party rebellions are about getting rid of the leader.

But is this a rebellion, though? It's one of the MP's duties to get their constituents the best deal they can from Club Fed, no matter the MP's affiliation or the colour of the team jerseys in power.

I have my worries about PP & Co., but I can also see "Team x MP asking Team y Minister for $ for group/municipality in their riding" =/= "what the #$%^&*( are you doing, Team X Leader?!?!?!" Fraser may be stretching things a bit toooooooo far on this, barring other information we're not privy to.

One man's "didn't know what the MPs were doing" is another man's "they're doing their job in routine ways where they don't have to get signoff from the boss or his team."

If multiple Blue MPs are writing to the boss/telling him & his political team, "hey, ya know, taking away money from x to give to way is leading to representatives from x to bitch mightily to me as of right now," maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe the start of a disagreement, but putsch it ain't.

All that said, it'll lead to interesting caucus chat from The Boss telling MPs what to say when group x starts to complain about their wells drying up if/when PP becomes PMPP

OP late edit to add: some of the group x reps (municipal in this case) are complaining already about the potential to lose cash through the proposed scheme ...

Boshcoff: Poilievre's pledge to cut housing fund could mean hit to city

Read the full story and comment on Tbnewswatch.com

www.tbnewswatch.com

 

[dimsum]

Haha ho ho hee hee, yeah sure. I don't buy it. At all.

That would be pretty easy to prove - the Canadian Press has copies of the letters, or so they say.

 

[The Bread Guy]

That would be pretty easy to prove - the Canadian Press has copies of the letters, or so they say.

And the bits quoted sound pretty much like any "MP supports community/group x to get funding from program y" boilerplate letter. If someone had the time/resources, it wouldn't be impossible to check municipal records to see if municipal councils have shared such letters of support via their council meeting information packages.