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2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

Is "they paid taxes all their lives and would be cranky at being left out so current tax payers should cover their annual vacation" a sound way of setting fiscal policy?
It's something to take into account, yes, when that was the only program some of them could count on.

Gotta think, okay, well are we going to do a progressive phaseout, or a carve out for those who have no other options, etc. Can't just shred the whole thing without a second thought.
 
It's something to take into account, yes, when that was the only program some of them could count on.

Gotta think, okay, well are we going to do a progressive phaseout, or a carve out for those who have no other options, etc. Can't just shred the whole thing without a second thought.
I'm not talking about scrapping OAS- just trimming the inarguable fat.
I'm not against raising the age, but my thought was income/means testing focused. OAS clawbacks start at ~81k (per individual! Not household) and only then at 15% per dollar above. Absurd waste of tax payer money. That threshold should be lowered, and the rate increased. The CCB isnt near as bad, but could do with some tightening at the top end
That 81 is now 90 for 2024.
 
Will there ever come a day when WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN stuff?
Once all the social program spending is gutted to pay for green initiatives and all the other new Liberal special interest programs that will flow out of the next election.
 
More than a decade old, so the numbers are completely out of date, but a couple of meaningful excerpts that still hold true:

This effectively means that workers, whose average wages and salaries in 2012 were $45,776, are financing benefits to seniors who in many cases have higher average income than the workers.
At a time of profound demographic change coupled with deficits and mounting debt across the country, transferring income from working Canadians to middle and in some cases upper-income seniors makes little sense and wastes valuable resources.

A few pages back:
How would you pay down the debt and hold others to account, without Canada spending more? Let's here your ideas.
It's not my original idea. But it's one that a non-hypocritical CPC should be universally behind.
 
TIL: general revenues are not contributed to. Where do they come from, one might wonder. A pot'o'plenty at the foot of a rainbow, surely.

:)
The part of the carbon tax not returned to taxpayers? A couple of billion there into general coffers.
 
The part of the carbon tax not returned to taxpayers? A couple of billion there into general coffers.
Any idea what the net would be, given that presumes Club Fed no longer raking in loadsa dough via the Carbon Tax? I suspect (happy to be proven wrong) a load more comes in than goes out, meaning the rebate portion would be more than covered now, and not so much if the tax was axed.
 
Yes. Unlike, say, health care, day care, (soon to be) dental care, the CBC, DND...
The problem is school lunches, dental care, housing, day care. No matter what trudeau is trying to pull, those are all provincial jurisdiction. However, it's nothing new. Trudeau is trying to nationalize all these things and bring provincial jurisdiction under one federally controlled social conscript. Last week he flew into Alberta, unannounced, didn't invite the province to participate in his presser on federal housing initiative. Yesterday he flew into BC, again unannounced, held a presser on his school lunch program without the province in attendance or knowing. Then flew out before anyone could respond. His intention is to make premiers and provincial programs irrelevant. Centralized control of everything.
 
The problem is school lunches, dental care, housing, day care. No matter what trudeau is trying to pull, those are all provincial jurisdiction. However, it's nothing new. Trudeau is trying to nationalize all these things and bring provincial jurisdiction under one federally controlled social conscript. Last week he flew into Alberta, unannounced, didn't invite the province to participate in his presser on federal housing initiative. Yesterday he flew into BC, again unannounced, held a presser on his school lunch program without the province in attendance or knowing. Then flew out before anyone could respond. His intention is to make premiers and provincial programs irrelevant. Centralized control of everything.
Provinces should be able to make Trudeau persona non grata.
 
Any idea what the net would be, given that presumes Club Fed no longer raking in loadsa dough via the Carbon Tax? I suspect (happy to be proven wrong) a load more comes in than goes out, meaning the rebate portion would be more than covered now, and not so much if the tax was axed.
According to the recent debates in the HoC leading up to April 01, it's something like 2 billion to the government after all rebates are handed out. Let me look,for an article.
 
The problem is school lunches, dental care, housing, day care. No matter what trudeau is trying to pull, those are all provincial jurisdiction. However, it's nothing new. Trudeau is trying to nationalize all these things and bring provincial jurisdiction under one federally controlled social conscript. Last week he flew into Alberta, unannounced, didn't invite the province to participate in his presser on federal housing initiative. Yesterday he flew into BC, again unannounced, held a presser on his school lunch program without the province in attendance or knowing. Then flew out before anyone could respond. His intention is to make premiers and provincial programs irrelevant. Centralized control of everything.
If our Premiers were smart (which they aren't), they would file suit against Trudeau, hopefully getting it to the SCC to review the division of powers under the constitution.

A lot of PMJTs actions are crossing well into the Provincial realm of governance. Could be a better way to re-establish provincial sovereignty than a Twitter post.
 
If our Premiers were smart (which they aren't), they would file suit against Trudeau, hopefully getting it to the SCC to review the division of powers under the constitution.

A lot of PMJTs actions are crossing well into the Provincial realm of governance. Could be a better way to re-establish provincial sovereignty than a Twitter post.
He's bringing in money that will free up money for them to do their own vote buying. Why would they bite the hand that feeds?
 
He's bringing in money that will free up money for them to do their own vote buying.
with conditions. No free lunch right?
Why would they bite the hand that feeds?
Our electorate in Canada has no idea how our system of government, constitution, or laws work. This is due to both ignorance, lack of a proper education, and honestly... a large media consumption of news from south of the border. Just look at how many of the Trucker protestors were trying to exercise their right to be Manitoba and you'll have your answer.

Its "vote buying" when its a popular thing, but its a poison pill when the tide turns. If these programs are no longer sustainable and fail at a national level, what stops the PM from saying "well.. this is obviously a provincial matter, as per the Constitution, so go talk to Premier X..." when politically convenient.

Keeping the division of powers defined and uniform across the country prevents the "Mom vs Dad" from happening, especially when we have some of the worst politically knowledgeable citizens able to cast a vote.
 
If our Premiers were smart (which they aren't), they would file suit against Trudeau, hopefully getting it to the SCC to review the division of powers under the constitution.

A lot of PMJTs actions are crossing well into the Provincial realm of governance. Could be a better way to re-establish provincial sovereignty than a Twitter post.
That’s not something you do as a catch-all. Rather, the provinces would need individual standing to bring matters to court either as the applicants themselves, or as intervenors in another province’s legal action. See for example the case Alberta succesfully brought that struck down a portion of the environmental review legislation that encroached into provincial jurisdiction.

A court action that strays across multiple issues rapidly becomes difficult or impossible to litigate, but nothing stops a province from initiating multiple distinct court actions that run concurrently.
 
According to the recent debates in the HoC leading up to April 01, it's something like 2 billion to the government after all rebates are handed out. Let me look,for an article.
That sounds at least in the right neighbourhood, but that must also mean they're pulling in more than that, so if ALL off that revenue disappears, what's now the rebate pot will also be gone.
 
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