2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

[dimsum]

Disagree with the LGQPT agenda, Climate Change solutions, dealing with FN and residential schools and you may very quickly find yourself not welcome at many seats or your job.

Sure, but are any legal consequences going to result from that? Will you be arrested? Or is it more of social (bleeding into employment) ostracizing?

Either way, you can lose your job based on your personal views, but depending on the employer, you can lose your job based on all sorts of things. That is up to the employer and as it stands right now, you can challenge wrongful dismissal. I have no idea what the chances are of you winning said case, but the option is there.

A couple of decades ago, being publicly LGBTQ meant you lost your job as well. Hell, we're still dealing with the fallout of that.

 

[suffolkowner]

There are probably multiple things going on in the "trans" grouping, multivariate,multicausal like so many things. But it has as it root a basis in post-modernist rejection of objective reality combined paradoxically with the Marxist consideration of group identiyabove all else.

When someone claims to be a cat or a dog etc.. they are either suffering from a mental illness or are trolling. Others may have a phsyiological basis, although as of yet there has been little evidence for that

 

[suffolkowner]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669453397676937216

with 4 byelections coming up a resounding defeat of the Liberal candidates would be in order but the polls suggest all is not good on that account

 

[Quirky]

Nanos has the liberals in trouble in Toronto.

Many federal seats too close to call and 'up for grabs' in latest Nanos projections

If a federal election were held now, Nanos Research's latest seat projections show Liberals would be in tough fights in ridings they won in 2021 -- including those in metropolitan areas in B.C. and Ontario.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[mariomike]

Either way, you can lose your job based on your personal views, but depending on the employer, you can lose your job based on all sorts of things. That is up to the employer and as it stands right now, you can challenge wrongful dismissal. I have no idea what the chances are of you winning said case, but the option is there.

Saw this from an employment law firm.

Union members would go through the grievance / arbitration process.

Our analysis begins with basic employment law principles: generally speaking, an employee’s activities outside of work are not considered relevant grounds for discipline. However, under common law, if the employee’s actions prejudice or could reasonably be expected to prejudice the interests or reputation of the employer, the employer may discipline and, in serious cases, terminate the employee for cause.

A court will take into account the employee’s position in the company and the nature of their employment. A senior employee who is the “face of the company” is held to a higher standard than someone who has an administrative or menial role. Likewise, employees in positions of trust such as police officers will be held to a higher standard of off-duty conduct. Finally, an employee who engages in objectionable off-duty conduct but who does so in a way that associates the employee’s actions with the company, such as posting using the company email, posting about events at work or wearing a company uniform or displaying its logo while misbehaving can allow the employer to take disciplinary action.

Can a Company Fire an Employee for Extremist Beliefs or Actions?

Era of social media, smart phones and ‘cancel’ culture, an employee’s after-hours words or actions can quickly attract public scrutiny, outrage and ultimately employer sanctions.

howardemploymentlaw.ca

 

[Halifax Tar]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669453397676937216

with 4 byelections coming up a resounding defeat of the Liberal candidates would be in order but the polls suggest all is not good on that account

Not surprised. Canadians get what they deserve.

 

[RangerRay]

The Tories should be doing a lot better, even in WSC. If this is true, this will be a disaster.

 

[QV]

So which is true? LPC is in trouble or CPC is in trouble?

 

[Remius]

So which is true? LPC is in trouble or CPC is in trouble?

Depends on what you look at. Short term, any loss in a by-election in a riding you should with ease is a cause for concern. Even if it’s a by election. The leaders of those parties will likely bear the brunt of the “why”.

Overall though polling should worry some quarters.

The LPC should be worried that the gaps are widening and what sort of traction the opponents are making.

The CPC should be worried that their lead isn’t much wider than it is (right now the margin of error in most polls).

Neither should be overly concerned until an election is called and people have to make a real decision but current moods could affect when that election might be called.

 

[Good2Golf]

So which is true? LPC is in trouble or CPC is in trouble?

Canada338 shows CPC and NDP increasing probability of seats…

 

[Good2Golf]

…at least until it renames to Canada343 in September…

 

[Remius]

Canada338 shows CPC and NDP increasing probability of seats…

I like to look at the trend lines and where they place.



There was a concerning drop for the CPC for three weeks after a four week significant climb It may be a coincidence but the slight uptick this week seemed to coincide with PP changing his tune a bit and started focusing on questions of the economy.

Sunday we’ll see if they regained the momentum they had lost.

The popular vote seems to be closer now though.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Sure, but are any legal consequences going to result from that? Will you be arrested? Or is it more of social (bleeding into employment) ostracizing?

Either way, you can lose your job based on your personal views, but depending on the employer, you can lose your job based on all sorts of things. That is up to the employer and as it stands right now, you can challenge wrongful dismissal. I have no idea what the chances are of you winning said case, but the option is there.

A couple of decades ago, being publicly LGBTQ meant you lost your job as well. Hell, we're still dealing with the fallout of that.

There is always a chance of legal consequences if what you say is deemed "hateful" and you can be sure the definition of that will continue to be tweaked and not in a good way. One reason why I do not like hate speech legislation, as it can be easily abused by governments. I also worry about the desire of some to move to a form of "Social Credit" as used by the CCP. I would rather live in a place where people can say things that upset me, than in a place people are silenced, regardless of method.

 

[Good2Golf]

There was a concerning drop for the CPC for three weeks after a four week significant climb It may be a coincidence but the slight uptick this week seemed to coincide with PP changing his tune a bit and started focusing on questions of the economy.

He needs to start talking and presenting self like a PM, not a pit bull. That drop over the last few weeks was aligned with less PM-like and more growly behavior. That that occurred while the China interference issue was deepening should cause some serious introspection on his part…the split should have continued widening, not closing and almost crossing. Folks can say what they will about JT, but the Big Red PR machine is well-oiled…

 

[Remius]

He needs to start talking and presenting self like a PM, not a pit bull. That drop over the last few weeks was aligned with less PM-like and more growly behavior. That that occurred while the China interference issue was deepening should cause some serious introspection on his part…the split should have continued widening, not closing and almost crossing. Folks can say what they will about JT, but the Big Red PR machine is well-oiled…

Absolutely agreed.

You can see a correlated drop when PP uses more performance politics over politics with substance. He did a hard pivot at one point when the polls shifted.

Both parties suffer from a “leader” problem.

 

[Good2Golf]

Both All parties suffer from a “leader” problem.

 

[QV]

Absolutely agreed.

You can see a correlated drop when PP uses more performance politics over politics with substance. He did a hard pivot at one point when the polls shifted.

Both parties suffer from a “leader” problem.

I sure hope you're not equating the "leader problems" of JT and PP, as that would be a leap.

Here on one hand we have a leader absolutely rife with scandal after scandal and who now has been potentially implicated in allowing a hostile power to carry out clandestine election interference and other shit on a huge scale... and then on the other hand we have an opposition leader who is criticizing the sitting government of all said scandals, and the means to which he does it offends your sensibilities. Really?

 

[Good2Golf]

Leader problems are relative to their respective goals and aspirations, not a direct 1:1 comparison.

If PP wants to be PM, he needs to appeal to more people. Shrill nipping at JT’s heels seems not to help in that regard.

JT is clearly still appealing to his support base, notwithstanding Aga Kahn, WE, SNC Lavelin, Chinagate, etc. No one here seems to be saying that PP is as ethically bereft as JT, but rather that he needs to figure out for himself how to appeal to more Canadians.

 

[Remius]

I sure hope you're not equating the "leader problems" of JT and PP, as that would be a leap.

Here on one hand we have a leader absolutely rife with scandal after scandal and who now has been potentially implicated in allowing a hostile power to carry out clandestine election interference and other shit on a huge scale... and then on the other hand we have an opposition leader who is criticizing the sitting government of all said scandals, and the means to which he does it offends your sensibilities. Really?

Nope. Both leaders have dislikability issues. If you look at that Mainstreet poll as an example, they have a break down of the leader approval ratings. Both leaders are not doing that great and I suspect that impacts who they may or may not vote for.

They have leader issues, but they may not have the same leader issues. Either way those issues seem to affect their standing with the electorate.

 

[RangerRay]

Going from a +27 lead to a tie in Tory Oxford can’t be blamed on “the sheeple”. The leader of His Majesty’s Loyal Opposition has to do some retrospection here.