U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[Halifax Tar]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1880304620486160560

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

The thing is it’s not just Canadian kids who are seemingly “soft”. The US military and our allies are also struggling to recruit. They are not magically more “tough” than Canadian kids.

LOL American kids would provide the mosquitoes and black flies with lots of meat . They're even more obese than the Canadian kids.

Half of us will want the old FNC1s and the other will want the C7 and its variants......

They wouldn't be able to hold the FN

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

They wouldn't be able to hold the FN

Especially if they "accidentally" got the wrong butt length for their arm length.

 

[Eaglelord17]

LOL American kids would provide the mosquitoes and black flies with lots of meat . They're even more obese than the Canadian kids.



They wouldn't be able to hold the FN

C7A2 weighs just as much. Only the original C7 was lighter

 

[Kirkhill]

C7A2 weighs just as much. Only the original C7 was lighter

How much does that thing weigh once you have all the after market toys added to it? Sights, flashlights, hand grips, LRFs, laser projectors....

And don't forget the bayonet

 

[GR66]

So, it looks like Trump is doubling down on his insistence that making Greenland part of the United States for the sake of international security.

Donald Trump doubles down on Greenland claim after "horrendous" call

Greenland residents "want to be with us," Trump told reporters Saturday on presidential aircraft Air Force One.

www.newsweek.com

I imagine that Greenlanders are feeling pretty uncomfortable about the whole situation at the moment. I wonder if there is some way that both Greenland's and Canada's serious concerns with Trump could be handled at the same time?

What if Greenland were to join Canada instead and at the same time that we set up our own Territories as full provinces? Greenland and Nunavut both have a common Inuit heritage and face similar issues with climate change, resource development and infrastructure. Their combined population is between 90-100k. Similarly, Yukon and the Northwest Territories have about the same combined population but somewhat better infrastructure links to the rest of Canada resulting in a largely Canadian/European background population compared to Nunavut.

Being part of a Canadian province Greenlanders would have much more control and autonomy over their resources and day-to-day life than they would as a US Territory.

With regard to Trump's insistence that the US needs Greenland for international security reasons, as part of Canada Greenland would fall under NORAD and joint US/Canadian military control (agreement would be made for the existing US basing rights to continue). And with a continuing free trade agreement between Canada and the US (or a restored agreement if the tariff's actually are imposed) then US companies would have tariff free access to the strategic natural resources across the Canadian Arctic.

 

[OldSolduer]

So, it looks like Trump is doubling down on his insistence that making Greenland part of the United States for the sake of international security.

Donald Trump doubles down on Greenland claim after "horrendous" call

Greenland residents "want to be with us," Trump told reporters Saturday on presidential aircraft Air Force One.

www.newsweek.com

I imagine that Greenlanders are feeling pretty uncomfortable about the whole situation at the moment. I wonder if there is some way that both Greenland's and Canada's serious concerns with Trump could be handled at the same time?

What if Greenland were to join Canada instead and at the same time that we set up our own Territories as full provinces? Greenland and Nunavut both have a common Inuit heritage and face similar issues with climate change, resource development and infrastructure. Their combined population is between 90-100k. Similarly, Yukon and the Northwest Territories have about the same combined population but somewhat better infrastructure links to the rest of Canada resulting in a largely Canadian/European background population compared to Nunavut.

Being part of a Canadian province Greenlanders would have much more control and autonomy over their resources and day-to-day life than they would as a US Territory.

With regard to Trump's insistence that the US needs Greenland for international security reasons, as part of Canada Greenland would fall under NORAD and joint US/Canadian military control (agreement would be made for the existing US basing rights to continue). And with a continuing free trade agreement between Canada and the US (or a restored agreement if the tariff's actually are imposed) then US companies would have tariff free access to the strategic natural resources across the Canadian Arctic.

Greenland is a self governing country within the Kingdom of Denmark. I think you'd have to run it by the Danes first. I don't think they'd be very receptive.

 

[brihard]

So, it looks like Trump is doubling down on his insistence that making Greenland part of the United States for the sake of international security.

Donald Trump doubles down on Greenland claim after "horrendous" call

Greenland residents "want to be with us," Trump told reporters Saturday on presidential aircraft Air Force One.

www.newsweek.com

I imagine that Greenlanders are feeling pretty uncomfortable about the whole situation at the moment. I wonder if there is some way that both Greenland's and Canada's serious concerns with Trump could be handled at the same time?

What if Greenland were to join Canada instead and at the same time that we set up our own Territories as full provinces? Greenland and Nunavut both have a common Inuit heritage and face similar issues with climate change, resource development and infrastructure. Their combined population is between 90-100k. Similarly, Yukon and the Northwest Territories have about the same combined population but somewhat better infrastructure links to the rest of Canada resulting in a largely Canadian/European background population compared to Nunavut.

Being part of a Canadian province Greenlanders would have much more control and autonomy over their resources and day-to-day life than they would as a US Territory.

With regard to Trump's insistence that the US needs Greenland for international security reasons, as part of Canada Greenland would fall under NORAD and joint US/Canadian military control (agreement would be made for the existing US basing rights to continue). And with a continuing free trade agreement between Canada and the US (or a restored agreement if the tariff's actually are imposed) then US companies would have tariff free access to the strategic natural resources across the Canadian Arctic.

Maybe the U.S. should give statehood to Puerto Rico first.

 

[GR66]

Greenland is a self governing country within the Kingdom of Denmark. I think you'd have to run it by the Danes first. I don't think they'd be very receptive.

From Wikipedia:

On 21 June 2009, Greenland gained self-rule with provisions for assuming responsibility for self-government of its judicial affairs, policing matters, and natural resources. Also, Greenlanders were recognised as a separate people under international law. Denmark maintains control of the territory's foreign affairs and defence matters, and upholds an annual block grant of 3.2 billion Danish kroner. As Greenland begins to collect revenues of its natural resources, however, the said grant will gradually be diminished; this is generally considered to be a step toward the territory's eventual full independence from Denmark. In 2012, Greenlandic was declared the sole official language of Greenland at a historic ceremony.

Looks like eventual independence from Denmark is already potentially on the table. Greenlanders voluntarily choosing to join Canada as a province would also avoid a very nasty split within NATO if the US were to push for annexation or force a purchase through tariff pressure, etc. I'm sure Denmark (and likely Greenland) would prefer the Canada option to the latter.

Besides looking awesome on a map it would massively increase our EEZ. Guess we better hurry up and build more ships for the RCN and CCG!

 

[JLB50]

Maybe the U.S. should give statehood to Puerto Rico first.

Trump would probably consider Puerto Rico to be a “shithole” territory.

 

[Kirkhill]

So, it looks like Trump is doubling down on his insistence that making Greenland part of the United States for the sake of international security.

Donald Trump doubles down on Greenland claim after "horrendous" call

Greenland residents "want to be with us," Trump told reporters Saturday on presidential aircraft Air Force One.

www.newsweek.com

I imagine that Greenlanders are feeling pretty uncomfortable about the whole situation at the moment. I wonder if there is some way that both Greenland's and Canada's serious concerns with Trump could be handled at the same time?

What if Greenland were to join Canada instead and at the same time that we set up our own Territories as full provinces? Greenland and Nunavut both have a common Inuit heritage and face similar issues with climate change, resource development and infrastructure. Their combined population is between 90-100k. Similarly, Yukon and the Northwest Territories have about the same combined population but somewhat better infrastructure links to the rest of Canada resulting in a largely Canadian/European background population compared to Nunavut.

Being part of a Canadian province Greenlanders would have much more control and autonomy over their resources and day-to-day life than they would as a US Territory.

With regard to Trump's insistence that the US needs Greenland for international security reasons, as part of Canada Greenland would fall under NORAD and joint US/Canadian military control (agreement would be made for the existing US basing rights to continue). And with a continuing free trade agreement between Canada and the US (or a restored agreement if the tariff's actually are imposed) then US companies would have tariff free access to the strategic natural resources across the Canadian Arctic.

May be some merit to that idear, my dear!

Britain has ‘first dibs’ on Greenland, island’s last Danish minister says

Donald Trump would need Keir Starmer’s approval for his new ‘aggressive’ Arctic strategy which sent Denmark into ‘crisis mode’

www.telegraph.co.uk

Tom Høyem was Copenhagen’s last permanent representative in the Arctic territory, which established its own parliament in 1979 and began a new era of self-rule 30 years later.

Donald Trump has made clear to Mette Frederiksen, Denmark’s prime minister, that he wants to place Greenland under American control.

But Mr Høyem said that Mr Trump would require approval from Sir Keir Starmer because of an undertaking signed in 1917, the first time the US was interested in acquiring the island.

“If Trump tried to buy Greenland, he would have to ask London first,” Mr Høyem told The Sunday Times.

“The United Kingdom demanded in 1917 that if Greenland were to be sold then the UK should have the first right to buy it.”

The demand arose because Canada was a British dominion at the time and lies only a few miles from Greenland. The countries have shared a land border since 2022.

Mr Høyem said that Woodrow Wilson, the US president at the time, then agreed that Greenland was and would always be Danish.

Denmark was said to have been in “crisis mode” after a 45-minute call between Mr Trump and Ms Frederiksen prior to the inauguration.

According to the Financial Times, Ms Frederiksen told Mr Trump that Greenland was not for sale despite his “big interest”.

Mr Trump was then said to have become “aggressive” and threatened to pummel Denmark with tariffs unless it agreed to sell Greenland.

In a press conference prior to the call, the US president said his main motivation for acquiring Greenland was “national security”.

A source on Trump’s team said the purpose of the planned expansion was to send a “strong, deliberate message to Beijing” that American interests in the Arctic would be protected.

 

[daftandbarmy]

May be some merit to that idear, my dear!

Britain has ‘first dibs’ on Greenland, island’s last Danish minister says

Donald Trump would need Keir Starmer’s approval for his new ‘aggressive’ Arctic strategy which sent Denmark into ‘crisis mode’

www.telegraph.co.uk

That's alot of Lego...

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[Kirkhill]

Globe and Mail taking a "reasonable" line....

Globe editorial: It’s time for Canada to finally grow up

Ottawa and the provinces need to accept that the United States can no longer be counted on

www.theglobeandmail.com

It may seem odd to say that Canada, the world’s fourth oldest continuous democracy, needs to start behaving like a grownup, but that is precisely the moment in which the country finds itself.

For too long, when it comes to the two areas of statehood that most require a firm adult hand – national defence and the economy – Canada’s federal and provincial governments have displayed the self-indulgent complacency of a teenager who tries to get away with doing the bare minimum.

This lack of maturity is the result of an over-reliance on the United States for military protection and as a built-in source of export revenues. It has been so easy to do well enough that doing better hasn’t been deemed worth the effort required to get up off the basement couch.

And now all of a sudden mom and dad are finally throwing Canada out of the comfortable split-level existence it thought it had a right to inhabit forever. If our governments’ adolescent self-indulgence doesn’t end now, it never will.

It doesn’t matter that U.S. President Donald Trump is grossly exaggerating when he says his country has a “$200-billion or $250-billion” trade deficit with Canada, a canard he reiterated on Thursday. It doesn’t matter that his threat to impose 25-per-cent tariffs on all Canadian goods imported into the U.S. is pure madness, or that it would do as much harm to his economy as it would to Canada’s.

What matters is that it is now clear that the starting assumption for economic and defence decisions in the future can no longer be that the U.S. will always be there for Canada.

We must stand on our own. It will require making tough, adult choices, but we can do it.

Defence-wise, it has been a luxury for Canada to live under the same roof as the world’s greatest military and nuclear power, and to be able to call that power an ally and friend.

It has meant that the degradation of our ability to carry out basic military missions – as seen once again in the Defence Department’s latest report on readiness – has had no serious repercussions, because no sane country would begin hostilities against America’s next-door neighbour.

This has allowed Ottawa to redirect revenues toward voter-friendly priorities, outside consultants and bigger government, while paying lip service to the men and women who serve bravely in the Canadian Armed Forces and to our obligation to contribute to our allies’ defence.

But the result is that Canada isn’t meeting its obligations to NATO and to the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD), and it is not doing anywhere near enough to protect the Arctic on behalf of its continental ally. When it comes to pitching in, Canada can barely bring itself to pile its dirty dishes in the sink, let alone help with the shopping and making dinner.

A grownup country doesn’t shirk the responsibility of having a properly funded and manned military during peacetime. It makes the budgetary sacrifices required for it, which means going without other, more pleasant things.

As for the economy, Canada acts more like a trust-fund baby than an independent adult.

The integration of our economy with that of the U.S. is a major accomplishment that benefits both sides, Mr. Trump’s falsehoods notwithstanding. But the relatively easy money that comes from living a bridge and a pipeline away from a giant foreign market has made Canada complacent.

Provincial governments view access to American markets as permission to stifle east-west trade with ludicrous interprovincial trade barriers. They and Ottawa are also content to impose regulatory handcuffs and uncompetitive taxes that discourage foreign and domestic investment.

And why shouldn’t they? Why take the political risks required to do better? Why oblige Canadian companies to be more productive and innovative by opening up their markets to more competition, or why put an end to supply management in the dairy industry, when so many American dollars are flowing into everyone’s bank accounts like some kind of monthly allowance?

It’s time to do better. Canada is a great country that has much to offer the world, but it has been trapped in a prolonged adolescence that keeps its potential hidden, even from itself. Mr. Trump’s new round of tariff threats is the existential crisis that can – indeed, must – finally push this country into adulthood.

I couldn't have said better myself. (It is kind of short though. It would have benefited from a couple more pages.)