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The 'What If Canada Gets Attacked' Superthread

The only real life scenario which might prompt US military action on the border would be the PQ actually succeeding in declaring a referendum win and doing a UDI, followed by chaos as every part of Quebec that isn't part of former "New France" began separating from Quebec.

The Americans would certainly work to secure the St Lawrence Seaway (an joint property, hence their interest), and they might be inclined to secure the power corridors that bring electricity from the James Bay projects to the United States. Note these actions would not, strictly speaking, take place in Canada at all at that point, but the new "nation" of Quebec. Quibblers might point out James Bay is/will be in the Territory of Ungava and therefor part of Canada, but we should wait for the dust to settle first.
 
Dennis Ruhl said:
Apparently moose have a fair body count in Newfoundland.  It might work.

Do they arm those damned squirrels nowadays?  They caused a lot of low scores some years back at the ranges at Shilo.  And now they could shoot back!

Normal squirrels are bad enough, could you imagine what those evil alien squirrels that our dogs and cats keep protecting us from.

I figure the moose could follow the same route that Bendict Arnold followed when he attacked Quebec City during the American Rebellion. After all who's going to argue with a battalion of moose unless they have a company of Abrams, and the route Arnold followed was originally using flatboats and involved a lot of marshes and swamps, not suitable terrain for MBTS. They could also have a detachment of beavers to create water obstacles, moose are good almost nimble in the water.

Can you imagine a battalion of angry moose overrunning the small towns in New England culminating in the assault on Boston?

Then the moose headung south to Washington along the shoreline while escorted by Orcas, probably armed with snout lasers, to protect them from seaborn forces.

The beavers invading New York on a sabotage mission could easily cross the St Lawrence at Prescot, Ogdensburg just like 1812 when American Dragons charged across the frozen river to attack Prescott. I figure turnabout is fair play
 
Nothing at all to worry about - why do you think we have Canadian Deputy Div and Corps Comds on secondment to the US?  :cdn:
 
what I don`t like with having squirrels bazooka, as pictured earlier, is that they are ready to work for peanuts, good for taxpayers but not soldiers.  ;D
 
PPCLI Guy said:
Nothing at all to worry about - why do you think we have Canadian Deputy Div and Corps Comds on secondment to the US?  :cdn:
That's the beauty of the Kanadian Konspiracy.  We will invade them.  Not militarily, but through subversion.  I'm thinking more "Body Snatchers" and less "Red Dawn".  ;D
 
Good2Golf said:
...although I think they're on to Celine Dion.  :nod:
Bait and switch; we were just a little too blatant.
We've countered with Shania Twain being heartbroken.....but now available. *




* Based solely upon reading magazine covers while waiting to pay for groceries.  ;)
 
I think if America is going to invade anyone it would be Mexico with the drug wars going on, its spreading to America and Canada. American civilians are getting caught in the middle of it too. It doesn't make sense for Canada and America to send troops half way around the world on peacekeeping missions, when theres wars going on just below us in North America.
 
pitdroid said:
It doesn't make sense for Canada and America to send troops half way around the world on peacekeeping missions, when theres wars going on just below us in North America.
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Canada, along with the US, Mexico and other countries, is already fighting a "war" of sorts against drug cartels in the Central America/ Caraibean Sea theatre of operations. In the CF this is OP CARIBBE.
 
CDN Aviator said:
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Canada, along with the US, Mexico and other countries, is already fighting a "war" of sorts against drug cartels in the Central America/ Caraibean Sea theatre of operations. In the CF this is OP CARIBBE.

But what about the 35,000 to 40,000 people who die every year in Mexico from these wars, its also spreading to places like Vancouver.
 
pitdroid said:
But what about the 35,000 to 40,000 people who die every year in Mexico from these wars, its also spreading to places like Vancouver.

You implied that Canada should do something about the drug problem in Mexico. The CF already are, as directed by the government. You can always write the PM and your local MP and ask that more be done.
 
pitdroid said:
But what about the 35,000 to 40,000 people who die every year in Mexico from these wars, its also spreading to places like Vancouver.
pitdroid said:
I think if America is going to invade anyone it would be Mexico with the drug wars going on, its spreading to America and Canada. American civilians are getting caught in the middle of it too. It doesn't make sense for Canada and America to send troops half way around the world on peacekeeping missions, when theres wars going on just below us in North America.

OK. This may get ugly.

pitroid,

If you're going to toss out statements like this, why don't YOU tell us what should be done. You're the one that seems so very concerned, tell us how YOU would handle it. Or are you content to point us at something YOU perceive as a problem and say "Go fix this for me (us\ Canadians)"? I suppose you've figured out how we'll make deals with these soveriegn nations that will allow us to put boots on the ground and shoot bad guys in the face without trials? Where does the money come from for your drug operations? Who's going to be in charge? RCMP, CSIS, the CF?

Once more, we ask you to flesh out your ideas with reasonable arguement before trying to launch us into a crusade against someone you think is our problem.
 
Help for the google-challenged who might otherwise want to investigate the reference that CDN Aviator mentioned earlier:

OP CARIBBE

Protecting the security of Canadians doesn’t start and end at Canada’s borders. In the waters of the Caribbean Basin and the Eastern Pacific Ocean, Canada Command is part of a six-nation force aimed at eliminating the flow of illicit drugs.

Operation Caribbe was launched in November 2006, adding Canadian Air Force and Navy resources to a U.S.-led force that includes the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Spain and France. Canada’s commitment has included warships, submarines and long-range patrol aircraft, and has helped keep drugs off North American streets. In 2007 and 2008, the multi-national force, known as Joint Interagency Task Force (JIATF) South, seized 200 tonnes of cocaine.

Based in Key West, Florida, JIATF South works with law enforcement partners as well as international allies to co-ordinate surveillance of air and sea traffic. It’s a constant challenge to stay ahead of the methods smugglers devise to escape detection.

One of the latest tactics employed by smugglers involves the use of self-propelled semi-submersible watercraft, which can maintain a low profile. On January 15, 2009, a Canadian Forces CP-140 Aurora helped spot one of these vessels in international waters off the northwest coast of South America. Onboard the ship was approximately seven tonnes of cocaine, with a potential yield of about $242 million. The vessel’s crew and their illegal cargo were loaded onto a U.S. Coast Guard cutter, and the semi-submersible was sunk to prevent it from becoming a hazard to navigation.

Three weeks later, on February 9, in international waters off the north-eastern coast of South America, in the Caribbean Basin, the Halifax-based frigate HMCS Montréal helped the French warship FV Ventôse intercept a drug smuggler’s “go-fast” boat carrying 600 kilograms of cocaine valued at $30 million. The Ventôse delivered the smugglers and seized drugs to police authorities in Martinique after sinking the go-fast so it would not present a hazard to marine traffic.

In early December 2008, another go-fast proved no match for a Canadian Forces Aurora. The plane’s crew – members of 405 Sqn, 14 Wing Greenwood – spotted the suspicious vessel in the Eastern Pacific. The smugglers dumped 18 bales of marijuana over the side and tried to outrun the airborne Canadians. After marking the location of the abandoned cargo, the Aurora tracked the fleeing go-fast until the U.S Coast Guard caught it.

The success of these missions underscores what Canadian Defence Minister Peter MacKay has stated: “One of the goals of the Canada First Defence Strategy is for Canada to be a strong and reliable partner in the defence of North America.”

In addition, Operation Caribbe is viewed as helping to support development and refinement of maritime domain awareness capabilities – a key factor in Canada’s ability to meet the security challenges of our hemisphere and ensure our maritime security.

Combined with Canada Command’s domestic co-operation with the RCMP in counter-narcotics operations and with maritime patrols headed by Fisheries and Oceans Canada, Operation Caribbe is contributing to the fight to destroy the trade in illegal drugs. Taken together, all of these interagency operations work towards Canada Command’s goal of achieving a strong national and continental security architecture.


 
recceguy said:
OK. This may get ugly.

pitroid,

If you're going to toss out statements like this, why don't YOU tell us what should be done. You're the one that seems so very concerned, tell us how YOU would handle it. Or are you content to point us at something YOU perceive as a problem and say "Go fix this for me (us\ Canadians)"? I suppose you've figured out how we'll make deals with these soveriegn nations that will allow us to put boots on the ground and shoot bad guys in the face without trials? Where does the money come from for your drug operations? Who's going to be in charge? RCMP, CSIS, the CF?

Once more, we ask you to flesh out your ideas with reasonable arguement before trying to launch us into a crusade against someone you think is our problem.

:+1:

I wonder if pitdroid would have someone fill out his CF application for him too???

Recce is dead on, dude.  Give us YOUR suggestions... or quit asking about theoretical situations that are either being looked after now, or will probably never be an issue.  :brickwall:

I'm pretty sure that most Americans think we're a bunch of idiots anyways, and the only thing we're good for is hockey, donuts, and the word "eh".

As for the Mexican drug situation...  Most of the drugs are SHIPPED through places like Mexico...  you would likely want to drop people into places like Columbia, where the actual drugs are made.  (And yes, I know you can make drugs anywhere, but whenever you hear of a cartel, it's usually from South America or the Carribean area)

As for the rest of this thread...  I agree with the sarcasm...  :stirpot:

Continue please, some of these comments are very refreshing!!!

  :pop:

Rev
 
Damned mission creep, first Canada, then Mexico and now the Caribbean and South America.

Or is this how we justify the 500,000 man Marine force?

Things become clearer...... ;)
 
Thucydides said:
Damned mission creep, first Canada, then Mexico and now the Caribbean and South America.

Or is this how we justify the 500,000 man Marine force?

Things become clearer...... ;)

I say we invade Turkey and rename it Chicken.  Then we can have a serious discussion about invading anywhere else...

As for a Marinew Force...  Our Reg Force Army makes the USMC look like a bunch of Boy Scouts IMHO.  The only reason USMC is so popular is because of the fact that they have people from all of the elements of the US Armed Forces.

However, I am of the opinion that sometimes tact means quality over quantity.  And if we are arguing that... It is my opinion that we have it in the bag.

Ok, that's my opinion...  Have at 'er...

Rev
 
NavyHopeful said:
is because of the fact that they have people from all of the elements of the US Armed Forces.

No, they just have Marines. Their medics are Navy corpmen but that's it.

 
NavyHopeful said:
Our Reg Force Army makes the USMC look like a bunch of Boy Scouts IMHO.  The only reason USMC is so popular is because of the fact that they have people from all of the elements of the US Armed Forces.
As has been mentioned, other than their USN Corpsmen, all Marines are....Marines.

As for judging abilities, perhaps once you've been in long enough to not look at your watch when anyone mentions "time in," you'll have an informed opinion.

::)
 
CDN Aviator:  Thank you for correcting me.  I was only stating that which I THOUGHT I knew...

Journeyman:  While it may be true that my time in amounts to the three days since I have sworn in, it has been and always will be my honest opinion that the CF has more honour , loyalty, and tradition that that of the US Armed Forces.  I do not mean them any disrespect when I say this, it is just what I believe.

And, for the record, the last time I checked, we were ALL on the SAME side...

Rev
 
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