The War in Ukraine
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sometimes you just have to sack York
giving vlad time to kill more Ukrainian civilians instead of implementing his 24 hour solution does seem to give some support to that claim
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Trump loves to do things put of pettiness, which makes him dangerous for Putin
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True, but he also comes across as cheap as f*ck. Starting a shooting war with Russia or arming Ukraine all costs money, lots of it and The Donald doesn't want to spend any of it. So, where does this leave him?
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He may also feel more untouchable this term; no idea what leverage (financial opportunity, reputational damage, whatever) Putin might have had, but it may have expired, or Trump might simply not care any more.
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The US arms industry may be able to put things into terms Trump would understand, like "kickback" and "bribe."
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Some things are worth fighting for, but unless this was Elk sausage one needs to give up…
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Surrendering North Korean soldier refuses to drop sausage at gunpoint — The Telegraph
Ukrainian troops capture two soldiers who will be interrogated with the help of South Korea’s spy agency
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He'll arm Ukraine to the gills and make Russia pay for it!
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Through a wonderful. the best, the most beautiful tariff on potatoes.
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pass laws to use seized russian assets to buy Ukraine arms, seize russias shadow tank fleet, and sell them either as a ship or scrap metal.
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Good thing it wasn't a hero sandwich.Some things are worth fighting for, but unless this was Elk sausage one needs to give up…
Surrendering North Korean soldier refuses to drop sausage at gunpoint — The Telegraph
Ukrainian troops capture two soldiers who will be interrogated with the help of South Korea’s spy agency
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A bit more detail from POTUS47's info-machine ...
Trump latest news: President tells Putin ‘stop this ridiculous war’ or face consequences
Donald Trump has ordered Vladimir Putin to stop his “ridiculous war” with Ukraine or face fresh tariffs and sanctions from the US.www.telegraph.co.uk
Nitpicking pedant alert ...
Why the quotes around "deal" and "make a deal"?
Where's the "60M USSR 1.0 dead" come from? Usual suspect # I keep seeing is ~20M-27M civvies & troops.
World War II casualties of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia
Soviet deaths in the Great Patriotic War: a note - PubMed
Soviet deaths in the Great Patriotic War: a note
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Final nitpick: While "Russia" lost most of the civvies/troops in question in gross numbers, the USSR losses were spread across more than just Russia. Given where most of the punch-up's happened, Byelorussia, Ukraine and Latvia lost more per capita than Russia (given a lot of Russia wasn't "in contact")
Yup ...
Biggest fans'll say "see - he's pushing back." Harshest haters'll say "being in Putin's pocket =/= being his pal."
Also, some might say political opponents, detractors and those who disagree with someone aren't necessarily "enemies"
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Depends of what you define as buying, as well as what you define as taxes and tariffs.
My understanding is that President Trump is attempting to clearly articulate to Putin that he needs to accept a ceasefire but not do so in a way that publicly tells Putin he’s going to get ass raped without lube if he doesn’t play ball.
I think the West misses the point that Putin is likely well past the point of return and doesn’t believe he would survive a ceasefire, as Russians would start to question their sacrifices for him without the mission being completed.
So Trump can (will) double down on whatever he feels needs to. At this point he could send the majority of the stocks at Sierra Army Deport or airplane boneyard at DM, and congress won’t bat an eye.
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Kevin - my concern is that I truly believe Putin is fully aware of the fact that there is now no possible scenario where he backs off and survives. Prior to this war he had systematically pillaged the Russian coffers to pad his own bank accounts. Had he left power peacefully then, a full audit would have seen him shot and dumped in a bog. Now, he has started a fruitless war that has left tens of thousands of Russians dead, and probably hundreds of thousands wounded/disabled. The economy and the military will take decades to recover. He is effectively painted into a corner now.
The 'so what' of this is the fact that desperate people can and will resort to desperate measures. For a country that was once a nuclear and conventional superpower, and seeks to regain that status, this is a dangerous time indeed.
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