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What “large NATO Exercise” in 2022 are you referring to?
The War in Ukraine
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MilEME09
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Only one i could think of is Cold Response 22, that one involved over 30k troops but that was in March of 22 it started, one month after Russia invaded Ukraine.
Defender-Europe 2021.
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You're suggesting that Putin was behind planning a NATO exercise so that Russia could launch a preemptive NBC strike against the concentrated NATO forces prior to the Russian full-scale invasion of Ukraine so that NATO wouldn't have sufficient forces remaining in Europe to oppose his invasion?
What would constitute an act of war? So far we have Russia regularly flying their drones across the airspace of NATO partners, we have ships operating under Russian and Chinese control destroying pipelines and communication cables, we have constant jamming and even worse, spoofing of vital civilian nav. facilities. Is there a line and if so, who draws it?
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I hope there's equivalent "nope totally not us" grey damage being inflicted on Russia.
Time for a solid, multiplatform propaganda and agitation campaign aimed at Kaliningrad, with a clear "if you'd like to stop being Russian and rejoin Poland or Lithuania, then do X," path, too.
Not directly.
But his words in 2017 wanting to reunite the Former Soviet Union and his aggressive stance resulted in NATO members asking for more support and training.
Putin knew that could and would result in larger Concentrations of NATO Troops in a show of force. Which played into his statement that NATO was being aggressive in the area. More importantly large amounts of Equipment all in close proximity to each other would be easy to attack in a first strike capacity.
I think Putin was hoping NATO forces would stay and reenforce in Ukraine the Fall of 2021 during their training process. As Russian Military was building up their equipment.
It possibly explains the complex reason on why he invaded Ukraine in the First place.
FSB agents in various parts of Ukraine and other Baltic states pass information on that things are bad in the country but they do not need intervention yet. (the agents are playing three sides. Russia is paying them, they have decent local jobs, and they are bribing people). They are living the high life.
- New FSB boss comes in reads reports and recommends that Ukraine needs to be liberated. Not realizing the actual reports were being falsified just enough to keep the money flowing and the stations open.
- Putin moves in to save the day and push the aggressive western influence out of Ukraine and bring their riches back under his control.
But Russia today is not much different then Soviet Union times. They do not have the skills to mass produce military equipment, which Russia needs to become the super power they once were. They relied on all the former states to manufacture it all with final assembly being done under direct Russian supervision or on their land.
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I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that the politicians might be aware, but their populations don't care.
And there's the rub...
quadrapiper
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Don't know what's rattling around in the UK, Australia, or NZ, but there doesn't seem to have been a loud, concerted THE RUSSIANS ARE AT IT AGAIN drumbeat coming out of Washington or Ottawa, from any point on the political spectrum.
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Follow the money. The Russians and Chinese spend a Metric Ass ton of money to ensure that people play ostrich.
- Politicians and Staffers as well as Media.
Some unknowingly duped, others willing participating for money.
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Look, a Carl Gustav! 
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Rachel Reeves is the British Chancellor of the Exchequer (Finance Minister) - Member of the Labour Party
Currently Britain is going through a significant financial crisis similar to the one that brought down Liz Truss. The difference is that the Bank of England is propping up Starmer-Reeves after tearing down Truss-Kwarteng.
So what does Reeves do? Heads for Beijing.
What does Rachel Reeves's visit to China mean for the UK?
The Chancellor Rachel Reeves faced criticism for her visit to China as gilt yields surged.
moneyweek.com
Rachel Reeves says better ties with China will boost UK growth as she arrives in Beijing
UK chancellor becomes first holder of her office to make an official visit to China in a decade
www.theguardian.com
And what is Starmer doing?
Making Diego Garcia less secure.
He tried to slip the deal through under Biden but, as is his wont, screwed the pooch and now Trump gets a say.
Labour deal to hand over Chagos Islands thrown into doubt as Starmer gives Trump time to 'consider' agreement
Labour’s deal to cede sovereignty of the Chagos Islands has been thrown into doubt after Sir Keir Starmer admitted an agreement would not be reached before Donald Trump enters the White House.
www.lbc.co.uk
Diego Garcia is on the Chagos Islands which are owned by Britain but which Starmer is currently trying to sell to Mauritius, a Chinese client, with the expectation that the US will retain landing rights on Diego.
There isn't much in the way of land in the Indian Ocean between Africa and Australia.
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PS Rachel Reeves was endorsed by Mark Carney and Keith Starmer is advised by Mark Carney
Ex-Bank of England chief Mark Carney endorses Labour’s Rachel Reeves
Carney praises Reeves as ‘a serious economist’ as opposition party vies for power.
www.politico.eu
Labour adviser Mark Carney ‘lobbied Reeves for heat pump subsidies’
HomeServe founder says ex-Bank of England boss ‘is working on our behalf in Government’
www.telegraph.co.uk
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Mark Carney - Outsider? Only in the sense that the Caesars were outsiders.
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Look, a Carl Gustav!
Section/Squad of 14?
Colin Parkinson
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Carl Gustav, when you really need to get your point across.....Look, a Carl Gustav!
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Don’t sit on it…
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Trump latest news: President tells Putin ‘stop this ridiculous war’ or face consequences
Donald Trump has ordered Vladimir Putin to stop his “ridiculous war” with Ukraine or face fresh tariffs and sanctions from the US.
www.telegraph.co.uk
but i thought he could end the war in 24 hours, he repeatedly made that claim.
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I thought he was Putin's pal. His enemies repeatedly made that claim.
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He doesn’t want to embarrass his friend Vlad.
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