"The stuff the army issues is useless" and "no non-issue kit over seas!"

[Mike Baker]

Damn it I-6, I hate it when you do that! Now my colleagues think, with me drooling, that I'm looking at porn!

Porn is not this cool!

I6, you are my God!

 

[KevinB]

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[medaid]

Gun porn = the best shiznit!

 

[Kilroy]

Your wish....

I love that knife? What is it called, and where might I get one just like it??

 

[NL_engineer]

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I never thought I'd see that used, after you convinced Morterman rockpanter (I can't recall his name at the time  :) the tac Vest sucks

 

[1feral1]

I will try to be careful here.

1) The Cpl in question is not reg. Army, and did not send much time outside the wire. I’ve heard stories.

2) The K-becers were discouraged from wearing their store bought kit.

3) I saw my kid’s mom on the TV news last week waving at P.E.T.

Maybe I’ve said too much? Remove if this is the case.

Stories? Right, RUMOURS you mean.

What does not being regular army have to do with it? I am sure plenty of regulars don't get out much either.

Res and reg have been killed and wounded in this ongoing war. Yes, and ALL bleed red.

I don't think your post is appropiate.

 

[Big Red]

The average soldier has no need for two secondary weapons, but I'm sure it was just a miscommunication and he meant spare pistol magazines.

There are reasons to carry two handguns in some scenarios but they have nothing to do with conventional operations.

 

[RHFC_piper]

The average soldier has no need for two secondary weapons.

IMHO, I don't personally believe the average soldier requires 1 secondary weapon, really...  Not a pistol anyway.  (M203's and shot guns for breachers are a give in, of course.)

But that's just me...

There are reasons to carry two handguns in some scenarios but they have nothing to do with conventional operations.

Yes... the section pistoleer... who would carry 2 BHPs and would have to fire whilst jumping from cover to cover...  ;D

 

[Greymatters]

Yes... the section pistoleer... who would carry 2 BHPs and would have to fire whilst jumping from cover to cover...  ;D 

Ha, that one made me laugh, I had a vision of Mel Gibson from Lethal Weapon when I read that one...

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

"don't personally believe the average soldier requires 1 secondary"

I can think of a bunch of reasons why the average troop should have a pistol (esp. over those that don't leave the wire).

 

[RHFC_piper]

"don't personally believe the average soldier requires 1 secondary"

I can think of a bunch of reasons why the average troop should have a pistol (esp. over those that don't leave the wire).

Like I said... just my opinion from my experiences...  Didn't see the need for the average dismounted infantry rifleman... who would already be carrying either (or a combination of) an M203, shotty, M72, C9 extra G bombs, etc, etc... 

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

Fair enough.

 

[Dog Walker]

Stories? Right, RUMOURS you mean.

No.

My son just came back from Kandahar last week. For a time this Cpl and my son were in the same platoon. He was not serving as a front line infantryman. There is more to this story then the kit. There are other reasons why he talked to the media. This type of thing was SOP for this guy.

 

[1feral1]

So what if was not serving as a 'front line' 031. There is more to a sucessful deployment than being Infantry. Yes I am a former 031 myself, so I can say that.

Whatever he did there I am sure he had a purpose, like clerks cooks etc.

I am not sticking up for him, as I beleive what he did was and is wrong WRT the media. he may indeed have a hidden agenda.

I just did not apprecaite your reference about militia vs regular force, and about rumours as that is what they are, you've heard somthing 3rd party.


Cheers,

Wes

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The rumours, innuendo and conjecture can stop right here. Finito. Let's not derail this thread. It's more than about one guy and his interview.

Milnet.ca Staff

 

[Kiwi99]

The way I see it, the media loves military bashing on a daily basis, mostly.  And the Afgfhan issue is always a headline grabber.  And numpty goes and gives them more fuel to throw on the fire.  Well done, Francis!!! (sigh)

 

[armyvern]

CF members can talk to the media, provided that they do not speak outside of their lanes.

1) TacVest? He's got the check in that box.
2) Side arm requiring another mag? Well, he's been into a war zone and carried a sidearm --- check in the box.
3) Not enough mag pouchs - require more & more mags? See number 1 & 2.
4) The TV was designed for peacekeeping? Well, the TV WAS designed well before 9/11 wasn't it? Perhaps he's got that check too.

So, we have an individual Army soldier discussing his individually issued Army kit and shortfalls he believes that he experienced with it in a war zone. Inside his lanes to speak to ... or not?

There's a ton of folks right here on this very site who've posted the exact same comments regarding the exact same shortfalls with the exact same kit. The media can read those posts too -- and use them, they have before.

As long as you are speaking to your personal experience within your lanes ...

 

[Teeps74]

Though I can not fully support going to the press with such a story, I can certainly partially support.  Tac Vest... Meh, it looks good, and I am afraid that is the best I can do for positive commentary on the subject. Others have said here, and I echo, a modular design would be much better. What I carry as a 031 WO is far different from my C6 gunner, or my C9 gunners, or M203 grenadiers, not to mention engineers, and the list goes on and on... Being able to carry the different loads that are required of the different positions in the dismounted PL would be a huge asset.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

I think this mentioned somewhere else but I think its important enough to mention again.  Why is it that a couple of people unhappy with the medical side can report to the media without a lynch mob telling them to shut up while this guy who as A Vern has pointed out talked about something in his area of knowledge?  When the Generals keeping saying they don't want to hear about the TV anymore then maybe it is time to air out the laundry in the public.

 

[Osotogari]

I agree with Lone Wolf Quagmire, there has been enough of info from lessons learned to ignore the issues with the tac vest and other items of kit for there to be no further excuses.  Too bad that intelling the emperor he has no clothes, you usually loose your head.

I cornered a luminary in our brigade about this issue and was told to fill out a UCR.  I guess I can kiss DP3B goodbye for a couple years but I'm tired of having to deal with blatant stupidity and inflexiblity.