• Thanks for stopping by. Logging in to a registered account will remove all generic ads. Please reach out with any questions or concerns.

The Canadian Airborne Regiment, 1968-1995 (merged)

Does the Government of Canada owe an Apology to the Airborne Regiment ?

  • Yes

    Votes: 96 58.9%
  • No

    Votes: 67 41.1%

  • Total voters
    163
Chretien Say he is sorry........ Oh that is rich.  But as much as I don't like the man, I don't put the blame on him to a great extent.  He had a terrible sound bite when a reporter asked him about the possibility of the Airborne being disbanded and he replied along the lines of "I don't have a problem with Dat"  Collenete though made me sick of the word "systemic". 
With out being a expert on the whole subject of who really does what.  I think that between the two of them they asked for the best political solution and the PMO's advice along with that of NDHQ's had the more influential mouths going.  "Oh disband them, it will look like your decisive and get rid of a unit we haven't felt comfortable with for a while now."

My opinion anyhow as I have always seen Chretien as a fence sitter who was good at sticking wet finger in the air and seeing what way the winds were blowing. 
 
A toast to liberation tonight: 23.16hrs, June 5th

At 00:16 Double British Summer Time ( 23:16 BST ) on 6th June 1944, D Company 2nd Bn Ox and Bucks landed by glider at Benouville ( now Pegasus ) Bridge.

The battle for the liberation of Europe had begun, led by the AIRBORNE.

Tally Ho!
 
daftandbarmy said:
...Ox and Bucks landed by glider at Benouville ( now Pegasus ) Bridge..
Given the glider linkage, clearly the government should either disband...or apologize to.....the Air Cadets





....and then we can shut this thread down  ;)
 
daftandbarmy said:
The battle for the liberation of Europe had begun, led by the AIRBORNE.

I wonder what the Soviets were thinking of that as they tied down 80% of the Wehrmacht....
 
Infanteer said:
I wonder what the Soviets were thinking of that as they tied down 80% of the Wehrmacht....

Or, the Carlton and York Regiment and the West Nova Scotia Regiment:
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/land-terre/news-nouvelles/postcards-cartespostales/story-reportage-eng.asp?id=3510

And the Canadians already fighting in the air over France and Germany.
 
Infanteer said:
I wonder what the Soviets were thinking of that as they tied down 80% of the Wehrmacht....
Amen
While the operations in Italy, Normany, the North Atlantic and over the Ruhr were by no means insignificant, the operations by the Soviet Army that summer of 1944 were monumental.  Operation BAGRATION resulted in the destruction of Army Group Centre.  In just a few weeks of battle
Almost 300,000 Germans were killed or captured and a gaping hole had been torn in the German front, leaving the road to Berlin open.

As far as my research on the battle has shown, there were no major airborne operations involved in BAGRATION.


All this to say: I'm not sure if an apology is warranted

 
A good read on myths of the Eastern Front by the master himself, Glantz:

http://www.strom.clemson.edu/publications/sg-war41-45.pdf
 
A bit OT here.

The Soviets really had been the leaders in Airborne battle techniques, with Marshal M.N. Tukhachevski being an early proponent as far back as the mid 1920's. Given the technology of the day, much of what airborne proponents wanted was impossible or impractical (armoured support for airborne troops took the form of putting biplane wings on light tanks and towing them behind aircraft, for example), but some advances like automatic grenade launchers and recoiless rifles and cannon were developed, and the VDV rapidly expanded to the point:

To give some idea of the scale of the VDV, on maneuvers in 1934 900 men were dropped simultaneously by parachute. At the famous Kiev manoeuvres in 1935 no less than 1188 airborne troops were dropped at once, followed by a normal landing of 1765 men with light tanks, armoured cars and artillery. In Belorussia in 1936 there was an air drop of 1800 troops and a landing of 5700 men with heavy weapons. In the Moscow military district in the same year the whole of the 84th rifle division was transferred from one place to another by air. Large-scale and well armed airborne attacks were always accompanied by the dropping in neighbouring districts of commando units which operated both in the interests of the security of the major force and in the interests of Razvedupr. (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/army-vdv.htm)

Sadly, the great purges prior to the war eliminated most of the proponents of airborne forces, but the idea remained and the USSR did, in fact, use their airborne forces in at least two operations:

Only a few small airborne drops were carried out in the first desperate days of Operation Barbarossa, in the vicinity of Kiev, Odessa, and the Kerch peninsula.[4] The two significant airborne operations of the war were the Vyazma operation of February–March 1942, involving 4th Airborne Corps, and the Dnepr/Kiev operation of September 1943, involving a temporary corps formation consisting of 1st, 3rd, and 5th Airborne Brigades.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Airborne_Troops#Interwar_and_World_War_II)

Despite the vast size of the VDV in the post war world (6 Guard divisions) and the plethora of specialized equipment that the VDV had which has no real counterpart in any other army (BMD IFVs, self propelled guns and even light tanks capable of being parachuted into battle) even the Soviets never really utilized the capabilities of the VDV in the manner that Tukhachevski  envisioned, going to airmobile assault regiments carried by helicopter instead.

So the vast investment of time and resources that the former USSR could lavish on entire airborne divisions (including apparently enough lift capacity to actually lift an entire division at once, as demonstrated in EX DNIEPER 67 [see the movie "I Server the Soviet Union"]) never really paid off in any practical military sense. Proponents of bringing back the CAR might consider that when formulating their arguments.
 
Thucydides said:
So the vast investment of time and resources that the former USSR could lavish on entire airborne divisions (including apparently enough lift capacity to actually lift an entire division at once, as demonstrated in EX DNIEPER 67 [see the movie "I Server the Soviet Union"]) never really paid off in any practical military sense. Proponents of bringing back the CAR might consider that when formulating their arguments.

I spend a lot of money every year to insure my house against fire, yet it has never burned... I intend to continue to prevent fires, but will still pay the insurance.

Helicopters have limited range, and considering the size of Canada, I think an Airborne Battle Group is not a ridiculous idea. Did you know that an Airborne operation was considered to insert Para Coy last year in Haiti, as the PaP airport was overloaded ?

Resurrect the CAR ? Maybe not... Resurrect the capability ? I think it should be considered. CSOR does not fill the gap of insertion of a large number of troops with supporting arms.
 
YES..  I wore the SSF Flash... Having said that
I was Armd 8-Ch when they relocated CAR to
Petawawa.  When they Formed the SSF (Pet)
I was so proud to wear the SSF Flash for only
two reason's...
1.  8-ch(P.L.) was one of the Regiment's that formed
the 1st Special Service Force: AKA our world renowned
"Devil's Brigade"
2. I was so proud to be a part of our (SSF)  History
associated with our  predecessor
The Devil's Brigade.
When those Regiment's reform they reform a brother
hood that can never be disbanded irregardless of
Politic's,,,Media,,,What-so-ever. Screw them.
This Brotherhood still stand's...
OSON
Scoty B


Special Service Force
From www.canadiansoldiers.com
The Special Service Force (SSF) was created on 1 Apr 1977
after the disbandment of 2 Combat Group. The SSF was a
brigade-sized organization based at CFB Petawawa,
made up of:

The Canadian Airborne Regiment
1st Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment
8th Canadian Hussars (P.L.)xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
2nd Regiment Royal Canadian Horse Artillery

The brigade was a light, air-transportable force with an
airborne capability that could be inserted quickly into
any national or international theatre of operations. The
role of the Special Service Force (SSF) had not changed
significantly by 1943, when, according to DND, its role
was "to provide general purpose, combat-ready land
forces in accordance with assigned tasks."

Uniform Insignia
The brigade's insignia featured a winged dagger, similar
to that worn by the British Special Air Service.

This Brigade was reformed in 1977 after the original
......First Special force of the 2nd World War known as......
                         
                    "The Devils Brigade".


Other unit's who proudly served

1st Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment
2 Field Ambulance
Royal Canadian Dragoons
2 Military Police Platoon
2 Combat Engineer Regiment
2nd Royal Canadian Horse Artillery
2 Service Battalion
2 Intelligence Platoon
427 Tactical Helicopter Squadron
22nd Air Defence Regiment
SSF HQ & Signals Squadron
 
While I agree in principle that an airborne battle group may have utility in our geographic situation both to transport significant quantities of troops internally and project force externally, the cost/benefit ratio seems to be pretty lopsided on the "cost" end, and given our limited resource base we would have to consider very carefully what would have to be given up to achieve that capability.

I also note that even in our own history, the CAR was very rarely deployed, even though the ability to insert troops quickly into theaters of operation *might* have been advantageous at the time. (This argument is somewhat moot, since the government of the day decides). If occasions like Haiti arise more often in the future, I would hope that consideration is given to an airborne battle group as a means of dealing with the problem, but once again the cost/benefit ratio would be the key consideration.
 
wildman0101 said:
1.  8-ch(P.L.) was one of the Regiment's that formed the 1st Special Service Force: AKA our world renowned "Devil's Brigade"
Do you have a source for this.......statement?
 
Jouryman
From www.canadiansoldiers.com
Properly designated as the 1st Special Service Force, the Devil's Brigade was a joint World War II American-Canadian commando unit trained at Fort Harrison near Helena, Montana in the United States. Many modern American and Canadian Special Forces units trace their heritage to this unit.
[edit]
General information
The volunteers for the 1600 man force consisted primarily of enlisted men recruited by advertising at Army posts, stating that preference was to be given to men previously employed as lumberjacks, forest rangers, hunters, game wardens, and the like. The 1st Special Service Force was officially activated on July 20, 1942 under the command of Lt. Colonel Robert T. Frederick. Force members received rigorous and intensive training in stealth tactics, hand-to-hand combat, the use of explosives for demolition, amphibious warfare, rock climbing and mountain fighting, and as ski troops. Their formation patch was a red arrowhead with the words CANADA and USA. They even had a specially designed fighting knife made for them called the V-42.

[edit]
History
The 1st Special Service Force was activated on July 9, 1942 as a joint Candian-U.S. force of three small regiments and a service battalion. Following its initial training period in Montana, the 1st SSF relocated to Camp Bradford, Vermont, on April 15, 1943, and to Fort Ethan Allen, Vermont, on May 23, 1943. On July 4, 1943, it arrived at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation, and on July 10 sailed for the Aleutian Islands. On August 15, 1943, 1st SSF was part of the invasion force of the island of Kiska, but after the island was found evacuated, it re-embarked and returned to Fort Ethan Allen, arriving September 9.

A scheduled operation code named "Project Plough," a mission to parachute into German-held Norway to knock out strategic targets such as hydroelectric power plants, had to be abandoned but in October of 1943 the commander of the U.S. Fifth Army, Lt. Gen. Mark W. Clark, brought the 1st Special Service Force to Italy where its members demonstrated the value of their unique skills and training. The 1st SSF arrived at Naples on November 19, 1943 and immediately went into the line with the U.S. 36th Infantry Division.

At Monte la Defensa, located in the ancient town of Rocca d'Evandro (about 10 miles south of Cassino), between December 3 and December 6, 1943, they immediately earned a reputation for being able to take impenetrable objectives when no one else could. Here, in the dead of winter, the Special Force wiped out a strategic enemy defensive position sitting high atop a mountain surrounded by steep cliffs. Previously, American and British forces had suffered many casualties in futile attempts to take the important target. This incident was the basis for the 1968 motion picture titled "The Devil's Brigade."

The 1st SSF immediately continued its attack, assaulting Monte la Remetanea from December 6 to December 9. It captured Monte Sammucro on December 25, and assaulted Monte Vischiataro on January 8, 1944. During the mountain campaign the 1st SSF suffered 77% casualties.

During Operation Shingle at Anzio, Italy, 1944, the Special Force were brought ashore on February 1st, after the decimation of the U.S. Rangers at Caserta, to hold and raid from the right-hand flank of the beachhead marked by the Mussolini Canal/Pontine Marshes, which they did quite effectively.

It was at Anzio that the Germans dubbed the 1st Special Service Force as the "Devil's Brigade." The diary of a dead German soldier contained a passage that said, "The black devils (Die schwarzen Teufel) are all around us every time we come into the line." The soldier was referring to them as "black" because the brigade's members smeared their faces with black boot polish for their covert operations in the dark of the night. During Anzio, the 1st SSF fought for 99 days without relief. It was also at Anzio that the 1st SSF used their trademark stickers; during night patrols soldiers would carry stickers depicting the unit patch and a slogan, written in German: "Das Dicke Ende kommt noch," said to translate to "The Worst is yet to Come", placing these stickers on German corpses and fortifications. Canadian and American members of the Special Force who lost their lives are buried near the beach in the Commonwealth Anzio War Cemetery and the American Cemetery in Nettuno, just east of Anzio.

When the 5th Army breakout offensive began on May 25, 1944, the 1st SSF was sent against Monte Arrestino, and attacked Rocca Massima on May 27. The 1st SSF was given the assignment of capturing seven bridges in the city to prevent their demolition by the withdrawing Wehrmacht. During the night of June 4th, members of the 1st SSF entered Rome. After they secured the bridges, they quickly moved north in pursuit of the retreating Germans.

On August 14, 1944, the 1st SSF landed at Îles d'Hyères during Operation Dragoon, the invasion of southern France. On August 22, it was attached to the 1st Airborne Task Force, a provisional Seventh Army airborne division, and later made part of the Task Force. On September 7, it moved with the 1st Airborne Task Force to defensive positions on the Franco-Italian border. During the war the 1800-man unit accounted for some 12,000 German casualties, captured some 7,000 prisoners, and sustained an attrition rate of over 600%.

The 1st SSF, a unique military unit that never failed to achieve its objective, was disbanded December 5th, 1944. The Canadians would return to other Canadian units (most of them became replacements for the 1st Canadian Parachute Battalion), some American members were sent to the Airborne Divisions as replacements, and others formed the 474th Infantry Regiment, which served with the Third Army and performed occupation duty in Norway. However, in 1952, Col. Aaron Bank created another elite unit using the training, the strategies, and the lessons learned from the Devil's Brigade's missions. This force evolved into specialized forces such as the Green Berets, Delta Force, and the Navy SEALs. In Canada, today's elite and highly secretive JTF2 military unit is also modeled on the Devil's Brigade. As in World War II, Canadian JTF2 members and American Delta Force members were united once again into a special assignment force for the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan.

In September of 1999, the main highway between the city of Lethbridge, Alberta Canada and Helena, Montana in the United States was renamed the "First Special Service Force Memorial Highway". This highway was chosen because it was the route taken in 1942 by the Canadian volunteers to join their American counterparts for training at Fort Harrison.

A large number of the Devil's Brigade members were honored for their acts of valor, including Tommy Prince, Canada's most decorated aboriginal soldier of WW II.
Combat service
[edit]
Aleutians Campaign, 1943
Kiska & Little Kiska - August 15-August 19, 1943
Segula Island - August 17, 1943
[edit]
Italian (Naples-Foggia, Anzio, Rome-Arno) Campaigns 1943-1944
Monte la Defensa, Rocca d'Evandro - December 3-December 6, 1943
Monte la Remetanea, Rocca d'Evandro - December 6-December 9, 1943
Monte Sammucro, S.Pietro-S.Vittore - December 25 (Christmas Day), 1943
Radicosa, S.Vittore - January 4, 1944
Monte Majo - January 6, 1944
Monte Vischiataro - January 8, 1944
Anzio - February 2-May 10, 1944
Monte Arrestino - May 25, 1944
Rocca Massima - May 27, 1944
Colle Ferro - June 2, 1944
Rome - June 4, 1944
[edit]
Southern France, (Alpes-Maritimes) Campaign, 1944
Iles d'Hyères - August 14-August 17, 1944
Grasse - August 27, 1944
Villeneuve-Loubet - August 30, 1944
Vence - September 1, 1944
Drap - September 3, 1944
L'Escarène - September 5, 1944
La Turbie - September 6, 1944
Menton - September 7, 1944
Rhineland Campaign, 1944
Franco-Italian border - September 7 - November 30, 1944
The Devil's Brigade (1968) - starring William Holden, Cliff Robertson, Vince Edwards
Daring to Die: The Story of the Black Devils
Joseph Springer, The Black Devil Brigade: The True Story of the First Special Service Force, (Pacifica Military History, 2001).
Robert Todd Ross, The Supercommandos First Special Service Force, 1942-1942, An Illustrated History (Atglen, PA Schiffer Publishing Ltd.
Robert H. Adleman, and Colonel George Walton, The Devil's Brigade (Philadelphia., PA: Chilton Books, 1966).
Robert D., Burhans, The First Special Service Force: A Canadian/American Wartime Alliance

As far as the Armoured Element's are concerned your on your own mate.
It's a given. Historically documented.. Have fun. Cheer's
Scoty B
 
www.canadiansoldiers.com
Journeyman
The above is for you:
Re: SSF Petawawa
Scoty B
 
Thucydides said:
So the vast investment of time and resources that the former USSR could lavish on entire airborne divisions (including apparently enough lift capacity to actually lift an entire division at once, as demonstrated in EX DNIEPER 67 [see the movie "I Server the Soviet Union"]) never really paid off in any practical military sense. Proponents of bringing back the CAR might consider that when formulating their arguments.

Here's some of the main Airborne operations that have been conducted since the mid-70s; I excluded most of the smal-scale SOF insertions:

Date: 19 May 1978; 1540 hours ZULU time
Unit: French 1st, 2nd, 3rd and Headquarters companies of the 2nd REP Foreign Legion Paratroopers
Operation: Leopard
Troopers: 405 paras
Country: Zaire, Africa
Drop zone: North Kolwezi grassy flying strip, Drop Zone "A" Aircraft: 1 x C-160 Transaal, 4 x C-130E Hercules
Equipment/supplies air-delivered: Ammunition, food, water, medical supplies (door bundles)
Type Air delivery: Daylight, mass tactical airdrop

Date: 20 May 1978; 0600 hours ZULU time
Unit: 4th company, recon section of French 2nd REP Foreign Legion Paratroopers
Operation: Leopard
Troopers: 200 paras
Country: Zaire, Africa
Drop zone: Grassy area east of Kolwezi town, Drop Zone "B", recon section on Drop Zone "A"
Aircraft: 1 x C-160 Transaal, 4 x C-130E Hercules
Equipment/supplies air-delivered: Ammunition, food, water, medical supplies (door bundles)
Type Air delivery: Daylight, mass tactical airdrop

Date: 25 October 1983
Unit: 75th Ranger Regiment 1st, 2nd BN & Two 82nd Airborne Division Paratroopers: Sgt. Spain and SPC Richardson, 618th Engineer Co., 307th Engineer Btn., USAF Combat Controllers (CCT), Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC), 12 troopers (Set up radios to guide aircraft) Operation: Urgent Fury
Troopers: 500
Country: Grenada
Drop/Assault zone: Point Salines airfield
Aircraft: MC-130 Combat Talons, C-130 Hercules
Type Air delivery: Day Mass low-level tactical personnel static-line jump

Date: 20 December 1989
Unit: (0124) Rangers; (0145) 82nd Airborne Division, 1st Brigade Task Force: 1/504th PIR, 1/505th PIR; 2nd Bn., 504th PIR; 4th Bn., 325th Abn. Inf. Reg., Co. C; A Co., 3/505 PIR; 3rd Bn., 73rd Abn. Armor Reg.; 82nd Abn. MP Co., 3 platoons (0411). All joined to form: Task Force Pacific.
Operation: Just Cause
Troopers: 2,176
Country: Panama
Drop/Assault zone: Torrijos-Tocumen Airport
Aircraft: MC-130E Combat Talons, C-130H Hercules turbofan, C-141B Starlifter turbojet, C-5B Galaxy turbofan aircraft
Equipment/supplies air-delivered: 12 x M551 Sheridan light tanks, Ranger M151 Gun jeeps, 78 x HMMWVs, 4 x M102 105mm towed howitzers, ammo, food (MREs), water (CDS)
Type Air delivery: Night Mass low-level tactical personnel static-line jump, platform Heavy drop LVAD, CDS LVAD

Date: 20 December 1989
UNIT: (0100) Rangers, 75th Inf. Reg., Task Force Red, 1,300 troops; 82nd Abn. Div. Ready Brigade (DRB), 2,700 troops.
Operation: Just Cause
Troopers: 4,000
Country: Panama
Drop zone/Assault zone: Rio Hato east to Fort Cimarron
Aircraft: MC-130E Combat Talons, C-130E Hercules turboprop, C-141B Starlifter turbojet, C-5B Galaxy turbofan aircraft
Equipment/supplies air-delivered: Ranger M151 Gun jeeps, HMMWVs, Ammo, Food (MREs), water (CDS)
Type Air delivery: Night Mass low-level tactical personnel static-line jump, platform Heavy drop LVAD, CDS LVAD

Date: 19 October 2001
Unit: SFOD-Delta, 75th Ranger Regiment
Operation: "Rhino" as leading element of Enduring Freedom
Troopers: 200
Country: Southern Afghanistan
Dropzone: Khandahar
Aircraft: 4 x MC-130E Combat Talon Is
Equipment supplies: M3 84mm Carl Gustav recoilless rifles, M4 5.56mm carbines, some with M203 40mm grenade launchers, M249 Light 5.56mm and M240B Medium Machine Guns 7.62mm, all with night vision devices
Type Air delivery: night, combat mass-tactical Airborne Assault with static-line parachutes

Date: June 9, 1997
Unit: French Airborne and Foreign Legion Paratroopers
Operation: ?
Troopers: 1,200
Country: Republic of Congo, Africa
Drop zone: Brazzaville Airport Aircraft: C-160 Transaals, C-130 Hercules
Equipment/supplies air-delivered: Ammunition, Food (MREs), water, medical supplies (door bundles)
Type Air delivery: Daylight, mass tactical, static-line jump, LVAD, STOL airland AMX-10RC light wheeled armored vehicles

Date: April 18, 2000
Unit: Russian Paratroopers
Operation: ?
Troopers: 3,000
Country: Chechnya
Drop zones: South of Chechnyas Shatoi province
Aircraft: IL-76 Candid

Date: February, 2003 (no exact date nailed down)
Unit: "B" Company, 3/504 Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Troopers: 70
Dropzone: Remote section of Western Afghanistan
Aircraft: A single C-130H Hercules
Equipment Supplies: Standard Issue (No specialty items were mentioned) M16A2's, M203 Mounted Grenade Launchers, M249 LMG "SAWs", NVGs for all the men
Type of Delivery: Combat Mass-Tac, T-10D Static Lines, Dusk (not night, you can clearly see in the photo)

Date: 27 March 2003
Unit: 173rd Airborne Brigade
Operation: Iraqi Freedom
Troopers: 1,100 Jumpers. 9 Paras from the 250th Forward Surgical Team (FST),

Date: March 27, 2003
Unit: "A" Company, 3rd Battalion, 75th Rangers, Combat Engineers
Operation: ?
Troopers: 306
Country: Western Iraq
Drop zone: H-1 airfield
Aircraft: 3 x USAF C-17s
Type Air delivery: Night personnel, static-line jump

Date: Before April 1, 2003
Unit: USAF 820th Security Forces Group
Operation: Iraqi Freedom
Troopers: ?
Country: Iraq
Drop zones: Tallil Air Base, objective "Rams"
Aircraft: HC-130 Hercules
Equipment/supplies air-delivered: ?
Type Air delivery: Daylight Static-line parachute mass tactical jump

Date: Late 2003
Unit: Indonesian Paratroopers
Operation: ?
Troopers: 600
Country: Aceh
Drop zones: ?
Aircraft: C-130 Hercules

Date:August 11, 2008
Unit: 4th VDV Russian Paratroopers
Operation: ?
Troopers: 1,000
Country: Break-away Abkhazia Republic of Georgia
Drop/Landing zones: South Abkhazia
Aircraft: IL-76 Candid jet transports
Equipment/supplies air-delivered: 150 x BMD-type light tracked armored fighting vehicles, ammunition, food, water, medical supplies
Type Air delivery: Round parachute airdrop followed by STOL airland

Note that these include a few fairly recent, rather large VDV operations. There is still a place for Airborne units, what was lacking in Canada is the political will to use them. Like home insurance, who can safely say we wil never need them; Airborne and Amphibious Forces, like SOF, cannot be created after an emergency occurs, and there is a difference between 3 Para Coys and an Airborne BG.

But that's just my opinion; I don't make make the decisions, and I don't see the large, strategic picture...
 
wildman0101 said:
Do you have a source for this.......statement?
As far as the Armoured Element's are concerned your on your own mate.
It's a given. Historically documented.. Have fun. Cheer's
Scoty B
So basically, those two rambling cut & paste jobs confirm that 8CH were NEVER part of the First Special Service Force.
 
Journeyman said:
As far as the Armoured Element's are concerned your on your own mate.
It's a given. Historically documented.. Have fun. Cheer's
Scoty B
So basically, those two rambling cut & paste jobs confirm that 8CH were NEVER part of the First Special Service Force.

My take also.........first time I have ever heard of it....
 
Jungle said:
Helicopters have limited range, and considering the size of Canada, I think an Airborne Battle Group is not a ridiculous idea.
Alternately, this may be a sign that Canadian geography warrants stronger consideration of V-22 type airframes.

Jungle said:
Did you know that an Airborne operation was considered to insert Para Coy last year in Haiti, as the PaP airport was overloaded?
In the case of ideas, as opposed to Oscars and Grammys, it is not an honour just to be considered.  It is not uncommon for bad ideas to make it all the way into war gamming before being recognized as what they are.  Where strategic lines of communication cannot accommodate the insertion and sustainment of a humanitarian assistance force, I would question the wisdom of parachuting in a team with limited specialist support and no major equipment so that they too might become part of the mouths-to-feed problem.

 
Back
Top