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Redeye said:
Yeah, I know the difference.  I used the word deliberately.  The Niger yellowcake memo which was a key part of the casus belli was a lie.  The whole f**king thing was built on lies & hubris.

I remember watching Colin Powell's presentation to the UN and thought the WMD evidence offered was weak. More indications that such programs might exist not that they actually did exist. Like a picture of a vehicle that could possibly be used in some form of WMD production/use/training but nothing indicating it was used in such a role.

So why was the evidence considered an indication that Iraq still had a WMD program? Mainly because Saddam fooled inspectors before  and it was looked at as evidence he was fooling them again. Combined with Saddam's confrontational tactics with inspectors and the international community a lot thought he did have WMD. He may have thought that absent actual evidence of WMD programs an invasion wouldn't take place. He was wrong.

Article in Slate going over the Yellowcake memo and coming to the opposite conclusion as yours: Case Closed: The truth about the Iraqi-Niger "yellowcake" nexus.
 
cupper said:
In actual fact, the numbers you quote have not included the special appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan. The Bush Administration were constantly being criticized by the CBO, and most financial analysts and economists for using accounting gimmicks to lower the deficit numbers. The reasoning was always made that since it wasn't part of the government budget that is should not be included as part of the overall annual deficit calculation. HOWEVER, the special appropriations were counted against the actual debt.

The numbers for 2003 to 2009 cover the Bush years, and interestingly the huge jump in 2009 shows the effect of the TARP program. But none of those numbers account for the special appropriations.

The numbers I quoted are year-end actual deficits.  No spending is "not included".  Do you understand what that means?
 
cupper said:
When I said benefit payments can still be sustained, it basically means that they can still be paid from the incoming payments, albeit as time goes on the level of benefits paid out will need to be adjusted downwards to ensure all persons drawing on the system receive payouts. 

My question was mainly to see whether you understood that since FICA receipts ("payments") no longer cover expenditures and the "trust fund" assets are essentially a ledger entry, it is now necessary to use other revenues (ie. borrow from elsewhere) to provide the cash demanded by the agency (either as interest, and/or principal amounts of redeemed certificates).  Not only does the government have to borrow to cover whatever was paid for by the FICA surplus in past years, it must now borrow to cover the FICA deficit.
 
The word "Apocalypse" is based on the ancient Greek word ἀποκάλυψις "to reveal". As government spending has outrun revenues by a factor of four to three, an apocalypse is taking place in government finances and programs:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/usps-proposes-cutting-120000-jobs-pulling-out-of-health-care-plan/2011/08/11/gIQAZxIM9I_print.html

Postal Service proposes cutting 120,000 jobs, pulling out of health-care plan
By Joe Davidson, Published: August 11

SEATTLE — The financially strapped U.S. Postal Service is proposing to cut its workforce by 20 percent and to withdraw from the federal health and retirement plans because it believes it could provide benefits at a lower cost.

The layoffs would be achieved in part by breaking labor agreements, a proposal that drew swift fire from postal unions. The plan would require congressional approval but, if successful, could be precedent-setting, with possible ripple effects throughout government. It would also deliver a major blow to the nation’s labor movement.

In a notice informing employees of its proposals — with the headline “Financial crisis calls for significant actions” — the Postal Service said, “We will be insolvent next month due to significant declines in mail volume and retiree health benefit pre-funding costs imposed by Congress.”

During the past four years, the service lost $20 billion, including $8.5 billion in fiscal 2010. Over that period, mail volume dropped by 20 percent.

The USPS plan is described in two draft documents obtained by The Washington Post. A “Workforce Optimization” paper acknowledges its “extraordinary request” to break its labor contracts.

“However, exceptional circumstances require exceptional remedies,” the document says.

“The Postal Service is facing dire economic challenges that threaten its very existence. . . . If the Postal Service was a private sector business, it would have filed for bankruptcy and utilized the reorganization process to restructure its labor agreements to reflect the new financial reality,” the document continues.

In a white paper on health and retirement benefits, the USPS said it was imperative to rein in health benefit and pension costs, which are a third of its labor expenses.

For health insurance plans, the paper said, the Postal Service wanted to withdraw its 480,000 pensioners and 600,000 active employees from the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program “and place them in a new, Postal Service administered” program.

Almost identical language is used for the Civil Service Retirement System and the Federal Employees Retirement System.

The USPS said the programs do not meet “the private sector comparability standard,” a statement that could be translated as meaning that government plans are too generous and too costly.

“FEHB may exceed what the private sector does in certain areas,” said Anthony J. Vegliante, USPS chief human resources officer and executive vice president. “It may not meet what the private sector does in other areas. So cost may be above the private sector, while value may be below the private sector.”

Bills that would rein in employee benefits or have workers pay more for the benefits have been introduced in Congress and met with vigorous opposition from federal employee organizations. Intentionally or not, the Postal Service’s proposal provides support for such legislative initiatives.

The proposals are the USPS’s latest money-saving effort in a series of moves, some as recent as a few weeks ago and others stretching over a decade.

The Postal Service has reduced its workforce by 212,000 positions in the past 10 years and recently announced it is considering the closing of 3,700 post offices. It also has asked Congress to allow it to deliver mail five days a week instead of six and to change a requirement that it pre-fund retiree health benefits.

The USPS said it needs to reduce its workforce by 120,000 career positions by 2015, from a total of about 563,400, on top of the 100,000 it expects by attrition. Some of the 120,000 could come through buyouts and other programs, but a significant number would probably result from layoffs if Congress allows the agency to circumvent union contracts.

“Unfortunately, the collective bargaining agreements between the Postal Service and our unionized employees contain layoff restrictions that make it impossible to reduce the size of our workforce by the amount required by 2015,” according to the optimization document. “Therefore, a legislative change is needed to eliminate the layoff protections in our collective bargaining agreements.”

The layoff protection, however, does not apply to employees with fewer than six years of service, which presumably would include thousands of workers.

Postal union leaders quickly and sharply rejected the plans.

“The APWU will vehemently oppose any attempt to destroy the collective bargaining rights of postal employees or tamper with our recently negotiated contract — whether by postal management or members of Congress,” American Postal Workers Union President Cliff Guffey said.

“Our advisers are not encouraging us at all to even consider it,” said National Rural Letter Carriers’ Association President Don Cantriel.

“We are absolutely opposed” to the layoff proposal, he said. “We are opposed to pulling out of the Federal Employees Health Benefits plan.”

National Association of Letter Carriers President Fredric V. Rolando said: “The issues of lay-off protection and health benefits are specifically covered by our contract. . . . The Congress of the United States does not engage in contract negotiations with unions, and we do not believe they are about to do so.”

How Congress will respond to the proposals, however, remains to be seen. Many Republicans, including those who have sponsored legislation that labor considers anti-union, may support the plan. Some Democrats, for which organized labor is an ally, could back union opposition. But the Postal Service’s critical financial situation could make some Democrats have second thoughts.

Two members of Congress who have introduced separate postal reform bills were noncommittal on the USPS plan.

A spokeswoman for Sen. Thomas R. Carper (D-Del.) said, “He is particularly interested in learning whether these proposals would be fair to employees and effective in reducing the Postal Service’s costs.”

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said: “These new ideas from the Postal Service are worth exploring. Options for reform and cost savings that will protect taxpayers from paying for a bailout, now or in the future, need to be on the table.”

and a closing thought on how austerity programs and tax cuts play out in the real world courtesy of "Day by Day"

 
Thucydides said:
The word "Apocalypse" is based on the ancient Greek word ἀποκάλυψις "to reveal". As government spending has outrun revenues by a factor of four to three, an apocalypse is taking place in government finances and programs:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/usps-proposes-cutting-120000-jobs-pulling-out-of-health-care-plan/2011/08/11/gIQAZxIM9I_print.html

and a closing thought on how austerity programs and tax cuts play out in the real world courtesy of "Day by Day"

The only problem with this, it omits a few key details, specifically:

1) By act of Congress, USPS is required to prepay pension contributions annually to the pension fund. 2011 contributions were pegged at $5.4 Billion.

2) A 2010 Inspector General's report showed that USPS has over paid into the fund by more than $75 Billion.

3) USPS has requested that they be allowed to pass on payments to the fund for the next several years until the accumulated debt has been reduced /eliminated. The Union has agreed to fore go those payments. Congress has so far denied this request.

4) USPS has requested that the $75 Billion over payment be returned, again with the Union's blessing. Again, Congress has denied this request.

5) Both USPS and The Unions have asked that the pension funding be changed to a Pay-as-You-Go funding scheme. (not necessarily a smart move on either part, depending on your view of the concept).

This is another thing one must take with a grain of salt and consider the sources. The Republicans have a stated agenda to eliminate the USPS and privatize it's services.
 
Since the source is the USPS itself, I wonder how much sodium is needed to digest the article.

The problem is very simple; they are spending far more than they make. This is unsustainable, so they need to spend less until their spending matches their income at a minimum. If their spending falls below their income, then they are in a profit situation.

Saying they should simply raise their rates to increase revenue is as ill founded as the constant calls to increase taxes; people have options and not using the USPS for mail service is one. Regardless of how much stamps and services cost the consumer to buy, revenue will decrease as consumers switch to Gmail or private couriers.

California, New York and other "Blue" states with big tax burdens are discovering people and capital are mobile (Canadians are too, why do you think there has been such a shift in capital and population to Western Canada?), and of course large enough corporate entities are abandoning the United States entirely. (Canada has a low enough corporate tax rate that we could become the destination of choice for these expats). Just like States which introduce "millionaire taxes" discover the millionaires have dissapeared next tax season.

Expect more of this as budgets become more strained and the Progressive model of big government and bureaucratic power collapses.
 
Thucydides said:
The problem is very simple; they are spending far more than they make. This is unsustainable, so they need to spend less until their spending matches their income at a minimum. If their spending falls below their income, then they are in a profit situation.

You missed the point I was making. I agree that they are spending more than they are making. But part of that is due to a congressionally mandated requirement to pre pay contributions to the pension plans, rather than pay in as the employees contribute. As a result, they are saddled with annual payments that cannot be adjusted as the workforce varies from period to period. And because of this they overpaid into the system by $70 billion. And when proposals to correct both the excess payments and repair the financial stability of the USPS as a whole, Congress in it's infinite wisdom decided that doing the right thing was not the right thing to do.

>POINT OF CLARIFICATION: The Congressional mandate requires USPS to pay 75 years worth of contributions over a 10 year period from 2006 to 2016 which averages to $5.5 billion per year

And again, beware of politicians with agendas, and the power to achieve them.

I for one feel that the USPS's time is short regardless of what measures are taken to keep it solvent. Like the book store and the movie theater, the changing world of electronic communications is going to make the postal service obsolete. And is it really necessary that we have delivery on Saturdays? Canada makes due with weekday only delivery.
 
cupper said:
You missed the point I was making. I agree that they are spending more than they are making. But part of that is due to a congressionally mandated requirement to pre pay contributions to the pension plans, rather than pay in as the employees contribute. As a result, they are saddled with annual payments that cannot be adjusted as the workforce varies from period to period. And because of this they overpaid into the system by $70 billion. And when proposals to correct both the excess payments and repair the financial stability of the USPS as a whole, Congress in it's infinite wisdom decided that doing the right thing was not the right thing to do.

>POINT OF CLARIFICATION: The Congressional mandate requires USPS to pay 75 years worth of contributions over a 10 year period from 2006 to 2016 which averages to $5.5 billion per year

Short answer is "So what?". We all have mandated expenses such as mortgage and taxes, and discretionary expenses. The combined total is our budget, and if the expenditure's exceed the income, then you are up S**t creek regardless of where these expenses come from. The bank or utility compay isn't going to be very sympathetic when you cannot pay your bills...The same economic principles apply to corporatins and governments, in all places and in all times.

Unless or until there is a "friction free" economic sysem or the Local Knowledge problem is overcome (both which would involve changing the structure of the Universe, probably another great Stimulus project  ;)), there is just no getting around this issue.
 
Thucydides said:
Short answer is "So what?". We all have mandated expenses such as mortgage and taxes, and discretionary expenses. The combined total is our budget, and if the expenditure's exceed the income, then you are up S**t creek regardless of where these expenses come from. The bank or utility compay isn't going to be very sympathetic when you cannot pay your bills...The same economic principles apply to corporatins and governments, in all places and in all times.

Unless or until there is a "friction free" economic sysem or the Local Knowledge problem is overcome (both which would involve changing the structure of the Universe, probably another great Stimulus project  ;)), there is just no getting around this issue.


Fair enough, but one problem facing USPS is that they have overpaid and in business when that happens one stops paying until the overpayment is used up - USPS, and, through it, the American taxpayer, is being screwed (again, still, as usual) by the US Congress.
 
Again, it comes down to inaction by Congress to do the right thing. There is currently a bill to correct the issue of the overpayment and to eliminate Saturday delivery, but due to the current political climate of "our way or no way" the bill is stalled. Much the same way that  the FAA funding debacle occurred.

Pundits are looking at this more as an attempt by the USPS to unclog the system, by claiming they need to lay off 120,000 workers, which no one wants to take responsibility for.

And as for the "So what?". Seriously, the regulations were flawed from the beginning, in that USPS was required to cover future expenditures 65 years in advance. From a "time value of money" sense this may make sense, but when the expenditures are based on factors that will vary from year to year, and may not be predictable, it makes no sense to plan that far out, and tie up revenues that long.

It would be like your bank coming to you and saying that we need you to pay for your credit card purchases over your life span in the next 10 years. And since you're good at managing your expenses, you end up overpaying the projected outlay by way more than you need. But it's left you strapped to pay your mortgage. And the bank won't let you pay the mortgage on your credit card. So now you need to sell the car, kick the wife and kids out the door to earn their keep, get rid of the pets, and take in new boarders just to make ends meet.

Oh, and sneak MRE's home to feed everyone. Yummmy
 
Thucydides said:
Second question: If Keyensian spending is so effective, why is big spending California facing net emmigration of people and jobs, while low spending, low tax Texas is gaining people and creating jobs?

You might find these two articles informative.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/rick-perrys-budget-sleight-of-hand/2011/08/15/gIQAuiGCHJ_blog.html?hpid=z2

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/breaking-down-rick-perrys-texas-miracle/2011/08/15/gIQAzRHFHJ_blog.html
 
The TEA Party movement is reaching for new goals:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/freedomworks-to-hold-first-tea-party-debt-commission-field-hearing-in-salt-lake-city-2011-08-30

FreedomWorks to Hold First Tea Party Debt Commission Field Hearing in Salt Lake City

Aug 30, 2011 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- FreedomWorks:

WHAT: FreedomWorks will host the first field hearing for the newly-formed Tea Party Debt Commission in Salt Lake City. Local activists are expected to attend, and encouraged to bring their own proposals for specific cuts to the federal budget. FreedomWorks will also present the initial findings of its online poll ( www.TeaPartyDebtCommission.com ) that allowed voters to prioritize spending cuts over the last month.

The committee consists of twelve members, paralleling the structure of the super committee created by Congress as part of the debt ceiling compromise. Committee members are volunteer Tea Party activists from a variety of states across the country, including CO, CT, IN, NH, NV, NY, OH, PA, UT, and VA.

WHEN: Thursday, September 1, 2011, from 7-9pm MDT.

       
                Agenda:
                7:00        Call to order & Welcome (David Kirkham)
                            Pledge of Allegiance
                            Opening Statement (Matt Kibbe, FreedomWorks)
                7:15        Introductions and Opening Statements
                7:30        Presentation on America's Fiscal Crisis
                            Dean F. Clancy, FreedomWorks
                            1) Scope & Nature of the Crisis
                            2) Possible Ways to Address the Crisis
                            3) Early Results of TPDC Crowd-Sourcing Efforts (Adam Brandon,
                            FreedomWorks)
                8:00        Commissioner Discussion
                8:30        Q&A and specific budget-cutting suggestions from the audience
                9:00        Adjourn
       

WHERE: Noah's meeting and conference center, 322 West 11000 South, South Jordan, UT, 84095.

WHY: FreedomWorks launched the Tea Party Debt Commission to give the American people a platform to propose specific cuts to the federal budget. The goal of the effort is to develop a budget that cuts at least $9 trillion in spending, reduces federal spending to 18 percent of GDP, reduces national debt to under 66 percent of GDP, and balances the budget within 10 years without tax hikes.

The Tea Party Debt Commission began its grassroots outreach with an online poll allowing voters to prioritize spending cuts. Each vote cuts a program, and projects the one-year and 10-year savings that cut would generate.

FreedomWorks plans to continue holding field hearings in key cities across the country. The next hearings are scheduled for September 23 in Orlando, FL, and Thursday, September 29 in Philadelphia, PA.

FreedomWorks recruits, educates, trains and mobilizes volunteer activists to fight for less government, lower taxes, and more freedom. Founded in 1984, FreedomWorks is headquartered in Washington, DC, and has over 1.4 million grassroots volunteers nationwide.

SOURCE: FreedomWorks
       
        FreedomWorks
        Russ Walker, 503-709-8864
        RWalker@FreedomWorks.org
       
Copyright Business Wire 2011
 
A rather hilarious story; if the postal union can do this, why can't they actually, you know, deliver ordinary people's mail?

http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/30/going-postal-mail-worker-unions-overload-tea-party-group-with-more-than-100-pounds-of-mail/#ixzz1ZU95IrYt

Going postal: Mail worker unions overload tea party group with more than 100 pounds of mail

In what appears to be an attempt to overwhelm their critics, postal union members have sent more than 100 pounds of mail to a tea party group advocating for United States Postal Service reform.

Donna Wiesner Keene of TheTeaParty.net told The Daily Caller the group receives its mail weekly, and that the onslaught so far has spanned two weeks. The first week, she said the union workers sent approximately 700 letters and delivered them in a box weighing 57 pounds.

Then, this week, Keene said the workers doubled down on their efforts, bringing the total weight of the mail her group received to over 110 pounds.

“I find the idea of the unions attacking a tea party group for simply supporting a bill that would make our whole country more efficient and that would lower the cost of the taxpayers’ yearly contributions to an inefficient agency, is just outrageous,” Keene said in a phone interview. “These union people need to be doing their jobs in the most efficient manner, and the Post Office needs to be losing people by attrition but doing a really good job of delivering our mail.”

So, if they have time to write letters attacking a tea party group for supporting legislation, then they probably have time to have six-day delivery of the mail,” Keene added.

The bill the unions are adamantly opposing is USPS reform legislation proposed by House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa and GOP Rep. Dennis Ross. In a Daily Caller op-ed, Ross said the bill, HR 2309 or the Postal Reform Act of 2011, “would allow the Postal Service to restructure itself and reduce costs by removing unfunded mandates and costly regulations.”

“The cost-cutting structural reforms in the bill would save a bare minimum of $10.7 billion per year,” Ross wrote. “Under our legislation, if the Postal Service cannot meet its obligations to the U.S. taxpayer, the agency would be placed under a temporary receivership-like authority to overhaul its finances.”


The USPS has come under fire as of late for being unprofitable, partly caused by its loss of business to e-commerce and technology-driven communication. The USPS has also faced a barrage of criticism for serious systemic inefficiencies.

Ross estimates the USPS will lose $10 billion in 2011 alone and deems legislative reform necessary in order to save workers’ pensions and keep the postal system operational without a taxpayer bailout.

When TheDC tried calling the American Postal Workers Union, a subsidiary of the AFL-CIO, nobody answered the phone and there was no voicemail to leave a message.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/30/going-postal-mail-worker-unions-overload-tea-party-group-with-more-than-100-pounds-of-mail/#ixzz1ZU8JPkIT
 
You did know that the US Postal Service is one of the main employers of Veterans in the USA right?  With pensions being so terrible now screwing over vets yet again leaves a bad taste in my mouth.


"To receive preference, a veteran must have been discharged or released from active duty in the Armed Forces under honorable conditions (i.e., with an honorable or general discharge). As defined in 5 U.S.C. 2101(2), "Armed Forces" means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps and Coast Guard. The veteran must also be eligible under one of the preference categories below (also shown on the Standard Form (SF) 50, Notification of Personnel Action).

Military retirees at the rank of major, lieutenant commander, or higher are not eligible for preference in appointment unless they are disabled veterans. (This does not apply to Reservists who will not begin drawing military retired pay until age 60.)

For non-disabled users, active duty for training by National Guard or Reserve soldiers does not qualify as "active duty" for preference.

For disabled veterans, active duty includes training service in the Reserves or National Guard, per the Merit Systems Protection Board decision in Hesse v. Department of the Army, 104 M.S.P.R.647(2007).

For purposes of this chapter and 5 U.S.C. 2108, "war" means only those armed conflicts declared by Congress as war and includes World War II, which covers the period from December 7, 1941, to April 28, 1952.

When applying for Federal jobs, eligible veterans should claim preference on their application or resume. Applicants claiming 10-point preference must complete Standard Form (SF) 15, Application for 10-Point Veteran Preference, and submit the requested documentation.

The following preference categories and points are based on 5 U.S.C. 2108 and 3309 as modified by a length of service requirement in 38 U.S.C. 5303A(d). (The letters following each category, e.g., "TP," are a shorthand reference used by OPM in competitive examinations.)
5-Point Preference (TP)

Five points are added to the passing examination score or rating of a veteran who served:

    During a war; or
    During the period April 28, 1952 through July 1, 1955; or
    For more than 180 consecutive days, other than for training, any part of which occurred after January 31, 1955, and before October 15, 1976; or
    During the Gulf War from August 2, 1990, through January 2, 1992; or
    For more than 180 consecutive days, other than for training, any part of which occurred during the period beginning September 11, 2001, and ending on the date prescribed by Presidential proclamation or by law as the last day of Operation Iraqi Freedom; or
    In a campaign or expedition for which a campaign medal has been authorized. Any Armed Forces Expeditionary medal or campaign badge, including El Salvador, Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Southwest Asia, Somalia, and Haiti,  qualifies for preference.

A campaign medal holder or Gulf War veteran who originally enlisted after September 7, 1980, (or began active duty on or after October 14, 1982, and has not previously completed 24 months of continuous active duty) must have served continuously for 24 months or the full period called or ordered to active duty. The 24-month service requirement does not apply to 10-point preference eligibles separated for disability incurred or aggravated in the line of duty, or to veterans separated for hardship or other reasons under 10 U.S.C. 1171 or 1173.
 
At issue here isn't who the USPS employs, but rather what the unionized employees are doing and why. Setting up strawmen isn't the same as arguing a position.

In any event, I would be far more supportive towards people who are doing their jobs rather than pulling childish pranks like sending hundeds of pounds of mail to disrupt political activity and speech. They can do their own political activities and speech on their own time and with their own money, thank you.

 
Been reading Umberto Eco's Eternal Fascism. Interesting. I found a synopsis on the internetz.

In a 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism",[21] the Italian writer and academic Umberto Eco attempts to list general properties of fascist ideology. He claims that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism.

The features of fascism he lists are as follows:

"The Cult of Tradition", combining cultural syncretism with a rejection of modernism (often disguised as a rejection of capitalism).

"The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.

"Disagreement Is Treason" - fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action.

"Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.

"Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.

"Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often involves an appeal to xenophobia or the identification of an internal security threat. He cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.

"Pacifism Is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" - there must always be an enemy to fight.

"Contempt for the Weak" - although a fascist society is elitist, everybody in the society is educated to become a hero.

"Selective Populism" - the People have a common will, which is not delegated but interpreted by a leader. This may involve doubt being cast upon a democratic institution, because "it no longer represents the Voice of the People".

"Newspeak" - fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.
 
It is enough for any one of those to be present for almost any sort of ideology to coagulate around it; each of several "-isms" has many of the characteristics on that list.  It is not necessary to situate the estimate on "fascism"; those are all merely devices for mustering political support that any faction might use.
 
I would be cautious about painting the "Tea Party" as anything, including organized. It's been several months since I was last in the USA for a protracted period but my impression then was, and remains, that it's rather like the old joke about three economists equalling four opinions. There are some Tea Party folks who want e.g. strict adherence to the Constitution, others who are fiscal fundamentalists, not a single penny for anything, including the Pentagon, without a  :2c: offset and there are others in the Sarah Palin camp, whatever that implies.

I'm guessing that the Tea Party people surprised themselves last November and that those who self-identify as Tea Party have organized themselves around a simple, single policy: no new spending and no new taxes.
 
Thucydides said:
They can do their own political activities and speech on their own time and with their own money, thank you.

Point of fact, they are using their own money to pay for the stamp to put on the letter.

Secondly, The Tea Party spokesperson needs to go back and fact check herself. No Taxpayer funding goes to the USPS.

Thirdly, it was because of a royal Congressional F-up that the USPS is in the position it is. The Congressionally mandated prepay of medical benefits for USPS employees was originally supposed to be spread over 40 years when they were preparing the bill in 2005. But when the CBO could not by law do a scoring of the actual effects of the legislation past 10 years, some congressional brainwave came up with a simple fix, we'll do it over 10 years. Like getting approval for a 30 year mortgage, then the bank comes back and says you have to pay it off in 10 years (No surprise that we had a financial system meltdown when guys like this are running the show)

Fourthly, the USPS has overpaid into the federal employees fund by an amount which is they were allowed to take back, would cover the remainder of the prepay mandate, and save 5.5 billion a year in outlays.
 
cupper said:
Point of fact, they are using their own money to pay for the stamp to put on the letter.

Secondly, The Tea Party spokesperson needs to go back and fact check herself. No Taxpayer funding goes to the USPS.

Thirdly, it was because of a royal Congressional F-up that the USPS is in the position it is. The Congressionally mandated prepay of medical benefits for USPS employees was originally supposed to be spread over 40 years when they were preparing the bill in 2005. But when the CBO could not by law do a scoring of the actual effects of the legislation past 10 years, some congressional brainwave came up with a simple fix, we'll do it over 10 years. Like getting approval for a 30 year mortgage, then the bank comes back and says you have to pay it off in 10 years (No surprise that we had a financial system meltdown when guys like this are running the show)

Fourthly, the USPS has overpaid into the federal employees fund by an amount which is they were allowed to take back, would cover the remainder of the prepay mandate, and save 5.5 billion a year in outlays.

Semantics. USPS has a monopoly and is exempt from paying Federal taxes. It's inefficiency and poor service is a direct tax or increased cost compared to what a more efficient and competent system would provide. It's not because the workers are lazy or incompetent. It is that an inefficient and poorly run service provides lots of jobs while improvements or service cut backs means fewer jobs.

Fundamentally for everybody to improve what they have in quantity and/or quality overall production has to become more efficient and competent. Raises on base wages over inflation are not sustainable across large swaths of workers unless production gains match. Everybody wants the raises but the corresponding changes that would make them sustainable like 1/2 the workforce being let go due to a more efficient production method are fought tooth and nail.
 
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