ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]

[bms]

If you are selected in February, you'd probably hear about it in March. I mean, the 12th... I'm assuming there is quite a bit of paperwork to be completed and also dealing with all the local CFRCs and etc. Plus they probably wouldn't be in any serious urgent hurry to make sure everyone selected knew about it.

If I get that call, it would probably be the happiest day in my life so far. Not that wierd happy where you dance around and all that crap. Maybe satisfied would be a better word  :. I mean, it means that you nearly have the next stage of your life set up for you. It's big.

P.S.: TD, I've had everything else done for quite a while. If something made me ineligible, they wouldn't send me another booklet to fill out. They'd of told me "Sorry, you're not eligible". And I think you're right; my medical came back clear and the whole snail mail thing takes a little while, so I was merit listed and they sent me the back check forms.

 

[derael]

I must have filled all this stuff out previous. I've never received anything in the mail and I've already been merit listed...

Odd.

 

[bms]

It's titled "DND Personal Data Verification Consent". It includes "5 Year Employment Verification", "Educational Verification", "Employment and Personal References"(5 references), and "Personal Data Verification".

Everyone else may have already filled it out. I was curious if anyone else got it by mail.

 

[PuffinFresh]

I have nothing in the mail so far...

 

[tumbling_dice]

bms,

I hope you didn't misunderstand me, I didn't mean the the paperwork meant you were ineligible, I'm certain it didn't mean that. I just wanted to make sure you didn't think it meant you were accepted.

Here's to hoping to see you at the College in mid-August.

Again, best of luck to everyone.

 

[bms]

What? I knew I wasn't accepted yet. Not even sure if I will be selected. I just said if I fill out this form, I make it to the selection boatd  ;D.

 

[Marshall]

So far BMS is the only one?.. I will have to check my mail before work just to make sure.


Maybe they think you are a terrorist or something 
or I may just live further away from wherever the mail came.

 

[tumbling_dice]

It is all together possible that you have already done the Back Check forms (as I did when I first applied). If not, I'm sure you'll get it eventually. I don't think its crucial right now do the fact that while you are at RMC, they are not going to release any national secrets to you.  Also, it may depend on what trade you are applying for and the security clearance attached (although if I remember correctly Marshall, you also need Top Secret clearance as you are becoming a MARS Officer.)

 

[bms]

I called the CFRC just now. I have to have the form faxed in by February 5th or I won't get my name down for ROTP. I was partially correct. Phone 5 people, and I make it to the selection board  ;D.

 

[Elvis_forever]

Hang in there, selection baord sits February 12.

The helpful staff at the London CFRC say that the selection board will sit on Feb 5th, and that the candidates selected will be contacted by the middle of February.

 

[starseed]

I did international schooling while at civi-U and it was well worth my time. 

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I suspect the same is true for people studying conflict, history, languages, and development engineering

First of all, please pardon me for necroing this thread

Can anyone definitively answer whether it is possible to do international exchanges while at RMC or while on ROTP with a Civilian university? I have a mind to take a term or two abroad, specifically to learn Arabic. I haven't yet found any school in Canada that offers Arabic language courses - though McGill has an Arabic studies course, I think this is more culture oriented. And, frankly, the best way to learn a language is to live it. I figure that with the global political climate being what it is right now, fluency in Arabic just might be an asset for someone with ambitions toward military intelligence.

I suppose the obvious follow up question to that would be "Is spending a year in a country where Arabic is spoken going to scare the crap out of DND when they go to do my security clearances?"

 

[Marshall]

I called the CFRC just now. I have to have the form faxed in by February 5th or I won't get my name down for ROTP. I was partially correct. Phone 5 people, and I make it to the selection board  ;D.

It must have been something to do with your file, what I am not sure. I am sure they would have put more haste into sending them if they are due the 5th. Since it seems no one else who are ROTP applicants on here have received it. Or they just will not respond.  ;D Ah well I've done what I can.

 

[George Wallace]

I really don't think that RMC, or anyone on ROTP, has much of an opportunity to do international exchanges.  People doing higher education levels or specialist crses are more apt to get those.  As for becoming a linguist and thinking it is a good way to get into Military Intelligence; there are translators for that.  They are usually found in the Signals Trade.

 

[starseed]

I really don't think that RMC, or anyone on ROTP, has much of an opportunity to do international exchanges.   People doing higher education levels or specialist crses are more apt to get those.   As for becoming a linguist and thinking it is a good way to get into Military Intelligence; there are translators for that.  They are usually found in the Signals Trade.

Fair enough. It is just one path I am looking at as, well it might be presumptuous to say I have a facility for languages, I've certainly always had an easy time with them and very much enjoyed learning them. If you're going to educate yourself, it might as well be in a subject that interests you. I have a hard time seeing speaking a 4th language (I speak some german as well) being a bad thing if I were headed for Intelligence.

I spent a little time reading biographies of the current ship Commanders and XOs, they seem to be a fairly mixed lot in terms of education - the most common probably being BA in MASS, though not a majority by any stretch. I suppose one might expect this in the military, though I wonder whether this is because they are more desirable or more available. Military history and strategy are also interests of mine, but I worry that studying it for 4 years might ruin that and/or turn me into a one-track mind. I was thinking perhaps a Classical studies degree (turns out UBC does offer Arabic courses, hooray) which although clearly not a traditional path to military advancement, offers a great deal in terms of critical thinking, history and languages - a pretty well rounded education. It's certainly more applicable to civilian life, should I turn out not to want to serve for 20 or 30 years (or should the military decide it doesn't want me serving).

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated

 

[breezie]

Being at RMC myself, I would be guessing that any exchanges to other military schools overseas might be difficult for civi U students. The reason being, here at RMC we are living a military lifestyle everyday, so its easier for us to go from one military setting to another. For civi U students, who are civi during the school year, and only do the military side during the summer, it might be difficult to balance all the demands of school with everything you need to do to succeed in the military aspects. I could be totally wrong about this, but I've done civilian university before, and there's so much that you learn here, just by being in this environment, and it becomes second nature to you. I wish you all the best though, if you want something bad enough, there's usually a way to figure it out.

 

[chris_log]

The answer is no.

ROTP students are not eligible for overseas exchanges/study terms. Some RMC types get the opportunity to go to Sandhurst competitions etc, but that's about it as far as 'exchanges' go. There have been exceptions but they are extremely rare.

 

[breezie]

That's not entirely true though. One of my flight leaders spent a term last year at USAFA, two guys just came back from spending last term at West Point, and two are just about to head to France to attend L'Ecole de l'aire for a term. Going to RMC does have some unique opportunities, that's for sure.

 

[MedCorps]

Again I echo that, people's comments are not entirely true.

I did a full year (3 semesters) exchange in the USA with another University while on ROTP at Civi U doing my undergrad. 

Just needed to justify the rational and have the Branch I was going to sponsor the costs.  This was in the mid to late 1990's but I know it has happened at least once more in the last 2 years. 

Cheers,

MC

 

[starseed]

Again I echo that, people's comments are not entirely true.

I did a full year (3 semesters) exchange in the USA with another University while on ROTP at Civi U doing my undergrad. 

Just needed to justify the rational and have the Branch I was going to sponsor the costs.  This was in the mid to late 1990's but I know it has happened at least once more in the last 2 years. 

Cheers,

MC

Well I am glad to know it is possible. Mind if I PM you a few questions about ROTP at a Civilian uni?

 

[chris_log]

Again I echo that, people's comments are not entirely true.

I did a full year (3 semesters) exchange in the USA with another University while on ROTP at Civi U doing my undergrad. 

Just needed to justify the rational and have the Branch I was going to sponsor the costs.  This was in the mid to late 1990's but I know it has happened at least once more in the last 2 years. 

Cheers,

MC

Like I said, it happens. But it's rare. It's one of those things I wouldn't count on. The big thing is funding, someone has to be willing to foot the bill for it. You're a Med O I assume...was it something specific that you couldn't do at your school?

That's not entirely true though. One of my flight leaders spent a term last year at USAFA, two guys just came back from spending last term at West Point, and two are just about to head to France to attend L'Ecole de l'aire for a term. Going to RMC does have some unique opportunities, that's for sure.

I believe that's because it's treated like an exchange (same idea as us sending a pilot down to a US unit for a period of time, etc etc). It's harder for the civvie-u types because getting sent to another school overseas for a term isn't the same as a Mil Col to a Mil Col exchange.

You have to prove that it's applicable to your education and a good deal for the CF.