Replacing the Subs

[Halifax Tar]

I say also order 4 batch four frigates and retire four of our worst and name them for cities in South Korea

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daegu-class_frigate.

I like this!

 

[stoker dave]

To restart the nuclear reactor research and design industry in Canada would be difficult and very, very expensive.

And possibly futile. Recall that about 20 years ago AECL was given a half-billion dollars to develop a medical isotope production reactor. They never got it licensed and the project died. A half-billion dollars wasted and nothing to show for it.

As others have said, there will not be a nuclear powered vessel in Canada's navy for the foreseeable future.

 

[lenaitch]

It's a good question. But is it insurmountable?

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It was mostly a funny. Binary 'on-off' are easier to solve with colours. Best not to have digital displays with actual words run through Google Translate.

 

[Kirkhill]

It was mostly a funny. Binary 'on-off' are easier to solve with colours. Best not to have digital displays with actual words run through Google Translate.

Sorry. I take things too seriously.

 

[Nvlgzr]

And possibly futile. Recall that about 20 years ago AECL was given a half-billion dollars to develop a medical isotope production reactor. They never got it licensed and the project died. A half-billion dollars wasted and nothing to show for it.

As others have said, there will not be a nuclear powered vessel in Canada's navy for the foreseeable future.

Nothing to show except egg on the face of Canada. Maple 1 & Maple 2. What a shame , those medical isotopes are badly needed. I understood that one of the CANDU’s had some modifications to produce some required isotopes but I think much of the slack was picked by foreign corporations.

 

[Genetk44]

S-80A has had a long and painful gestation . Electric Boat was called in to solve the overweight problem which has pushed back deliveries. The AIP is still in development and won’t be fielded until the 3rd or 4th hull. Best to call it a work in progress .

Indeed. But the overweight problem has been solved from what I have read and the AIP should be ready and proven by the time our hull would be ready to accept it. The thing about the S80 that I have read is it has the size for longer endurance missions than the German boats….and many of its systems have more redundancy than the German boats….all which seem to me to fit better for our needs.

 

[Rainbow1910]

Indeed. But the overweight problem has been solved from what I have read and the AIP should be ready and proven by the time our hull would be ready to accept it. The thing about the S80 that I have read is it has the size for longer endurance missions than the German boats….and many of its systems have more redundancy than the German boats….all which seem to me to fit better for our needs.

Navantia are fairly well known for doing some truly horrible work on various vessels for foreign clients and domestic ones, I can see why Canada isn’t chomping at the bit to partner with them for their seemingly lacklustre design.

 

[Kirkhill]

yes i think this is interesting solution. Not sure how it fits into the NSS though. Help Davie and Heddle ?

Needs must? Britain had its own ship-building plan but that wasn't sufficient to meet the demand.

The "four-stacker" destroyers were a batch of 50 World War I-era destroyers that the United States transferred to the British Royal Navy in 1940 as part of the Lend-Lease Act. The destroyers were used in the Battle of the Atlantic.

In exchange, the US was granted land in various British possessions for the establishment of naval or air bases with rent-free 99-year leases, on:

• Newfoundland
• Eastern side of the Bahamas
• Southern coast of Jamaica
• Western coast of Saint Lucia
• West coast of Trinidad (Gulf of Paria)
• Antigua
• British Guiana (now Guyana) within fifty miles of Georgetown

 

[Halifax Tar]

Needs must? Britain had its own ship-building plan but that wasn't sufficient to meet the demand.

People often forget the USA didn't just give shit away for free before and during WW2.

 

[Kirkhill]

A lot of gold was transferred, along with deeds and promissory notes.

Guarding the Gold - Canada's History

On the eve of the Second World War, England worried for its wealth. War was costly. But the gold to pay the price of victory lay vulnerable in London. The solution – ship England's treasure overseas, to Canada. And so began Operation Fish.

www.canadashistory.ca

Heinlein, as always, was right TANSTAAFL.

 

[suffolkowner]

Apparently Trudeau just said that we are going ahead with the 12 subs

 

[OldSolduer]

People often forget the USA didn't just give shit away for free before and during WW2.

Lend Lease enters the chat….

 

[Czech_pivo]

Apparently Trudeau just said that we are going ahead with the 12 subs

Source?

 

[suffolkowner]

Source?

looking but twitter from London

 

[Czech_pivo]

Hypothetically speaking, which would be preferable; 15 CSC’s and 12 Subs or 16 Subs and 12 CSC’s?
Assuming that the Kingston replacements are 12 ‘Corvettes’ somewhere between 1,600-3,200 tonnes and have a 57 or 76 bow gun and some mix of ASW and Air/Surface capabilities.

 

[YZT580]

Hypothetically speaking, which would be preferable; 15 CSC’s and 12 Subs or 16 Subs and 12 CSC’s?
Assuming that the Kingston replacements are 12 ‘Corvettes’ somewhere between 1,600-3,200 tonnes and have a 57 or 76 bow gun and some mix of ASW and Air/Surface capabilities.

15 csc,s AND 16 subs and 12 Corvettes somewhere betwen 1,600-3,200 tonnes and have a 57 or 76 bow gun and some mix of ASW and Air/Surface capabilities. It is not a friendly world out there

 

[Czech_pivo]

15 csc,s AND 16 subs and 12 Corvettes somewhere betwen 1,600-3,200 tonnes and have a 57 or 76 bow gun and some mix of ASW and Air/Surface capabilities. It is not a friendly world out there

It certainly doesn’t look like it anymore.

 

[OldSolduer]

It certainly doesn’t look like it anymore.

It has never been really friendly at any time in history.
We only have peace so we can repopulate, rearm and pick a fight somewhere

 

[Good2Golf]

What makes you think the Aussies would be stupid enough to take that deal?

Well they did go all in to buy 3 used VA-class SSNs, so we know their used gear play-ahs!

But we don't enrich uranium. Which is needed for a light water reactor such as a nuke boat uses. Enriching uranium in enough quantities for a nuke boat would be a violation of Nuclear Non-proliferation treaties of which Canada is (possibly was) a strong enforcer, as such uranium is also weaponizable.

Treaties and historical agreements are so yesterday.

I believe that all of the design and engineering staff for such a project have long retired; as the song goes…dust in the wind. AECL has been wound down. Old technology from a bygone era. Like the CF105. To restart the nuclear reactor research and design industry in Canada would be difficult and very, very expensive.

AECL hasn’t closed, and are in fact working with the Ontario government and Ontario Power Generation and CANDU Canada for consideration of building an additional 4x1000MW reactor NGS beside Darlington, in Wesleyville, near the site of the old Wesleyville NG power plant.

 

[Maxman1]

Hypothetically speaking, which would be preferable; 15 CSC’s and 12 Subs or 16 Subs and 12 CSC’s?
Assuming that the Kingston replacements are 12 ‘Corvettes’ somewhere between 1,600-3,200 tonnes and have a 57 or 76 bow gun and some mix of ASW and Air/Surface capabilities.

15 csc,s AND 16 subs and 12 Corvettes somewhere betwen 1,600-3,200 tonnes and have a 57 or 76 bow gun and some mix of ASW and Air/Surface capabilities. It is not a friendly world out there

Finland has a corvette design that might fit the bill. It's even ice strengthened to roughly Polar Class 7.

Pohjanmaa-class corvette - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org