Replacing the Subs

[MilEME09]

If we take the subs on sole source, and are looking for a speedy delivery, does that suggest we take them "as is" complete with the Korean weapons suite?

I'd say it's an opportunity for new industrial offsets by having them open a factory here to build them, which would also benefit korea if war ever kicks off with China or north Korea. We could buy Korean and market our selves to be their back up arms builder

 

[deepblue202]

I'd say it's an opportunity for new industrial offsets by having them open a factory here to build them, which would also benefit korea if war ever kicks off with China or north Korea. We could buy Korean and market our selves to be their back up arms builder

I say also order 4 batch four frigates and retire four of our worst and name them for cities in South Korea

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daegu-class_frigate.

 

[Czech_pivo]

What makes you think the Aussies would be stupid enough to take that deal?

Maybe put of self pity for the Aussie F18’s they charge us for.

 

[suffolkowner]

I say also order 4 batch four frigates and retire four of our worst and name them for cities in South Korea

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daegu-class_frigate.

yes i think this is interesting solution. Not sure how it fits into the NSS though. Help Davie and Heddle ?

 

[deepblue202]

yes i think this is interesting solution. Not sure how it fits into the NSS though. Help Davie and Heddle ?

Get Heddle to build six or eight of these : Stan Patrol 6211 | Damen

 

[Underway]

I'd say it's an opportunity for new industrial offsets by having them open a factory here to build them, which would also benefit korea if war ever kicks off with China or north Korea. We could buy Korean and market our selves to be their back up arms builder

This is my exact plan for CV90's.... you reading my posts? :Lol

 

[MilEME09]

This is my exact plan for CV90's.... you reading my posts? :Lol

Great minds think alike

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I stand by my original post: The Spearfish and Tiger Shark ARE superior to the US' Mk48 ... and only the Americans are too bigoted to see it.

SK would likley help us setup a plant to make our own torpedo's and missiles for the subs. They might view as a wise investment to have a supply source safe from NK/Chinese intervention and make their subs even more attractive to foreign buyers.

I would not be surprised if the Aussie/UK/US sub deal collapses and they start shopping for subs from Korea as well. Which would make the Pacific a very KS-III centric pond.

 

[Rainbow1910]

SK would likley help us setup a plant to make our own torpedo's and missiles for the subs. They might view as a wise investment to have a supply source safe from NK/Chinese intervention and make their subs even more attractive to foreign buyers.

I would not be surprised if the Aussie/UK/US sub deal collapses and they start shopping for subs from Korea as well. Which would make the Pacific a very KS-III centric pond.

If Canada had the option to license produce various Korean weapons systems domestically and potentially even work with the Koreans on future projects/developments, it largely solves the logistical issues I might have previously had with using non-NATO standard/US standard equipment. With recent treatment of the US to Canada and to our allies, going off on our own with the Koreans in a larger partnership might not be the worst idea if it can be fair and mutually beneficial.

 

[Genetk44]

We are never getting nuclear powered subs. The Americans will never let it happen. The last thing they want is our navy swanning around under the ice or the NW passage.

• In 1958, the US signed an agreement with the UK that gave it the right to block the sale of nuclear reactors to third parties, including Canada.
• In 1959, the US signed an agreement with Canada that gave it the right to block the purchase of nuclear reactors from third parties, including the UK or France.

 

[Nvlgzr]

We are never getting nuclear powered subs. The Americans will never let it happen. The last thing they want is our navy swanning around under the ice or the NW passage.

• In 1958, the US signed an agreement with the UK that gave it the right to block the sale of nuclear reactors to third parties, including Canada.
• In 1959, the US signed an agreement with Canada that gave it the right to block the purchase of nuclear reactors from third parties, including the UK or France.

With Trump in the White House; why would ever honour such an agreement. We are fully capable of building reactors in Canada under license. Can

 

[GR66]

We are never getting nuclear powered subs. The Americans will never let it happen. The last thing they want is our navy swanning around under the ice or the NW passage.

• In 1958, the US signed an agreement with the UK that gave it the right to block the sale of nuclear reactors to third parties, including Canada.
• In 1959, the US signed an agreement with Canada that gave it the right to block the purchase of nuclear reactors from third parties, including the UK or France.

KS-III's with Canadian Slowpoke reactors?

That would make a Canada/SK collaboration a much more even deal. They build the subs and we provide the reactors to charge the batteries...a win-win for both countries and no US involvement.

 

[Underway]

With Trump in the White House; why would ever honour such an agreement. We are fully capable of building reactors in Canada under license. Can

But we don't enrich uranium. Which is needed for a light water reactor such as a nuke boat uses. Enriching uranium in enough quantities for a nuke boat would be a violation of Nuclear Non-proliferation treaties of which Canada is strong enforcer, as such uranium is also weaponizable.

We would have to buy our enriched uranium from the US, UK, France, or a few other places. Righ now we buy our enriched uranium from the US.

 

[Rainbow1910]

KS-III's with Canadian Slowpoke reactors?

That would make a Canada/SK collaboration a much more even deal. They build the subs and we provide the reactors to charge the batteries...a win-win for both countries and no US involvement.

Putting a small reactor on a conventionally powered submarine is the worst of both worlds, you get all of the issues of having a reactor onboard without the true boons provided by a full SSN powerplant. This has been explored by Canada before, but it was never a good idea.

 

[OldSolduer]

We are never getting nuclear powered subs. The Americans and Canadian "peace" activists will never let it happen.

We explored this in the late 80s. Nuclear power is a non starter.

 

[Nvlgzr]

Putting a small reactor on a conventionally powered submarine is the worst of both worlds, you get all of the issues of having a reactor onboard without the true boons provided by a full SSN powerplant. This has been explored by Canada before, but it was never a good idea.

I believe that all of the design and engineering staff for such a project have long retired; as the song goes…dust in the wind. AECL has been wound down. Old technology from a bygone era. Like the CF105. To restart the nuclear reactor research and design industry in Canada would be difficult and very, very expensive.
My thought, if we were to go for nuclear boats (ya I know extremely unlikely) it would be Suffren since SSN AUKUS is decades away and USN doesn’t want Canada to have nukes. We would build the K15 reactors here under licence to get around US restrictions. Send the reactors back to France for installation and fueling. Refueling would also take place in France.
Meanwhile let’s get back to reality; KSS-iii or 212CD?

 

[deepblue202]

I believe that all of the design and engineering staff for such a project have long retired; as the song goes…dust in the wind. AECL has been wound down. Old technology from a bygone era. Like the CF105. To restart the nuclear reactor research and design industry in Canada would be difficult and very, very expensive.
My thought, if we were to go for nuclear boats (ya I know extremely unlikely) it would be Suffren since SSN AUKUS is decades away and USN doesn’t want Canada to have nukes. We would build the K15 reactors here under licence to get around US restrictions. Send the reactors back to France for installation and fueling. Refueling would also take place in France.
Meanwhile let’s get back to reality; KSS-iii or 212CD?

well from the previous page we will find out sometime next week I hope it is the KSS-III.

 

[Genetk44]

What about the Spanish S80

 

[Nvlgzr]

What about the Spanish S80

S-80A has had a long and painful gestation . Electric Boat was called in to solve the overweight problem which has pushed back deliveries. The AIP is still in development and won’t be fielded until the 3rd or 4th hull. Best to call it a work in progress .

 

[suffolkowner]

S-80A has had a long and painful gestation . Electric Boat was called in to solve the overweight problem which has pushed back deliveries. The AIP is still in development and won’t be fielded until the 3rd or 4th hull. Best to call it a work in progress .

or the opposite although the AIP point is valid. Remember Frances Suffren sat in dock for years as they tried to figure out how to fit the reactor in

KSS3 has to be the front runner in production and available, advanced and mature