Navy whites
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I want to tuck in my shirt!!
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You don't need them in boats (submarines) , on boats (small vessals which are hoisted aboard ships) or in ships (the major war vessals which we operate). 
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RangerRay said:
A couple of the reasons I've heard are to hide minor stains (a bit of oil that would make a plain shirt n/s just blends into the new ones) and to make wrinkles less conspicuous.
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Apparently, to the great shock of many, Navy will soon be switching over to CADPAT for all shore duty personnel who have no requirement to go on ships on a regular basis. I think this is a wonderful idea... we can all look like the Army brethren who we so love, and our Air Force brethren whom we absolutely adore!
But seriously, wearing CADPAT around the office is just much more simpler then NCDs IMHO. Akin to the Garrison dress... too much pressing and shining for no apparent reason... NCDs are out dated, and should be worn only on ships anyway. Those who perform duties primarily on land i.e. NavRes personnel, unless directly engaged in operations of RHIBS or other crafts, should be in CADPAT.
Just my 0.02 rupees.
But seriously, wearing CADPAT around the office is just much more simpler then NCDs IMHO. Akin to the Garrison dress... too much pressing and shining for no apparent reason... NCDs are out dated, and should be worn only on ships anyway. Those who perform duties primarily on land i.e. NavRes personnel, unless directly engaged in operations of RHIBS or other crafts, should be in CADPAT.
Just my 0.02 rupees.
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*MedGrinch* said:
I never heard anything in Halifax about switching to CADPAT for shore personnel. I think its a bad idea because we need to keep our element identity ashore, a naval name tag and black t shirt doesn't fit the bill in my opinion.
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*MedGrinch* said:
I'll call BS on that rumour. Shore duty pers at Fleet School wear N3 if they are in the office, NCD's if they are in the shop, boat-shed or on the boats and CADPAT if they are at Heals Range (small arms) or Bentinck Island (demolitions). If you are posted ashore you get enough clothing points that you should never ever have a worn-out uniform.
I was in the BOR in Naden yesterday and to my horror all the naval staff was wearing NCD'S. They are in the office for cryn out loud, they should be in N3's. If they are complaining that their purple breathern are in AF and Army CADPAT well that is where the leadership in the BOR is failing.
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FSTO said:
Whatever happened to uniformity? When I first joined it was as simple as....if one of you is wearing a raincoat then you all wear a raincoat. If one is wearing DEU then you all wear DEU. where did we ever get this notion that some can wear combats but others wear a different dress? If the CSOR (BOR for you Army types) is indeed a Unit then they should all be in the same order of dress.
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FSTO said:
yea yea i was forced to wear N3' s on my fives and destroyed multiple shirts due to the fact of pencil lead and other stuff that the shirt came into contact with. on the LAST day of acedemics the div cheif asked WTF is with you all wearing that . well thats the end that now MSE Trades wont be wearing it due to the basic fact of the training we do will constantly ruin them and we did not get the extra points we should of gotten if they expect us to wear it. as to why the staff is in NCD's is a quality of life issue, theres far less maint on a set of NCD's vs salt and peppers. cadpat is working dress and so is the ncd's .
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*MedGrinch* said:
The recruiting world had that policy for a little while (Navy pers in the green jammies), but I'm pretty sure it was short-lived ... maybe that's what you're thinking of (I'm in favour of separate identities FWIW).
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My experience with naval dress at shore billets was NCD for junior rates, N3 for senior rates and officers. A similar approach was used for the army and air members as well. I'm a purple trade though, so my perspective could be slightly skewed.
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I think that issuing all NAVRES pers CADPAT for wear at the NRD could bring back an old problem, and lead to a waste of money. Before NAVRES pers were issued our own set of NCDs, we used to have to get temporary issue every time we went to sea, and then return them when we were done. Inevitably this meant destroying the shirts because it was next to impossible to remove the name tapes without ripping the shirts. It seems to me that the coastal NRDs, at least, are having more opportunity to contribute personnel to harbour ops and exs at short notice, and so you'd want at least the bosuns and MARS types to be issued NCDs as well. Which just leads to issuing more kit to people (CADPAT and NCDs), which seems a bit of a waste to me. I don't see any reason that you can't wear NCDs to the range for a simple famil shoot - this isn't JTF2 stuff.
My own opinion is that NCDs should be worn on ship and for trg. Not as dress of the day at an NRD. But that's just my 2 cents.
My own opinion is that NCDs should be worn on ship and for trg. Not as dress of the day at an NRD. But that's just my 2 cents.
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The problem is that people are lazy today. They don't want to iron, shine, tie a tie or clean their uniforms often so therefore we will likely eventually be forced into something like you should be wearing in a duck blind in October...c'est la vie.
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RangerRay said:
....or soldiers. When working at a Headquarters pushing paper....you should be in DEU and keeping your uniform to a high standard as you work and mingle with the public.
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I'll agree...laziness is a big part of it. I can see how it would be frustrating that, in an office situation, as naval personnel, you are required to have your combats ironed...crease in the sleeves, creases in the pants and parade boots spit shined, while army or airforce people doing the same job only have to pull their clothes off the hangar and have the combat boots blackened.
So for navy pers., wearing combats is exactly the same as wearing Salt and peppers everyday.
I've only been in the navy almost 2 years now, but in my experiece, all the OS and LS that I know and have associated with in the school system, absoultely hates the navy NCD uniform, for various reasons.
I personally find that unless you have a brand new set of NCD's, and are really good about your dress and deportment, most people tend to look sloppy in them. The shirts are always coming untucked, when the sleeves are rolled for summer dress, it's usually crappy lookiing, etc. etc. Thats just my experience.
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So for navy pers., wearing combats is exactly the same as wearing Salt and peppers everyday.
I've only been in the navy almost 2 years now, but in my experiece, all the OS and LS that I know and have associated with in the school system, absoultely hates the navy NCD uniform, for various reasons.
I personally find that unless you have a brand new set of NCD's, and are really good about your dress and deportment, most people tend to look sloppy in them. The shirts are always coming untucked, when the sleeves are rolled for summer dress, it's usually crappy lookiing, etc. etc. Thats just my experience.
Cheers
COD
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