Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Quirky]

Are we short labour or are people just not willing to do shit jobs for 16 dollars an hour ? Look back to last summers air travel crisis when airlines claimed they couldn’t hire enough luggage handlers. They were offering 16 dollars an hour; what a shock no one wanted to do it.

Those vaccine mandates had nothing to do with it right? They laid off those people and they decided not to come back. Those sectors who mandated vaccines and now can’t find employees get what they deserve.

 

[markppcli]

Those vaccine mandates had nothing to do with it right? They laid off those people and they decided not to come back. Those sectors who mandated vaccines and now can’t find employees get what they deserve.

Well the overwhelming majority of Canadians got vaccinated. People will work for fair wages; the vaccine argument is pretty baseless frankly.

 

[lenaitch]

For locations like Borden, Gagetown, etc. a good, subsidized public transit system and expanded on base housing would be a lot cheaper than relocating the bases. Places like Cold Lake that aren't close to at least a medium-sized centre are a more difficult issue.

I know for Borden there has been talk of (re)starting a transit route to Barrie. I thought it was already done but I don't see it on their schedule. If Base housing is geared to local rents, Barrie is about $1500/mth and I doubt Angus is much different . I'm not sure housing availability is a big issue in the area. At least you'd have a better chance of living in a place that wasn't built in 1950.

 

[childs56]

Are we short labour or are people just not willing to do shit jobs for 16 dollars an hour ? Look back to last summers air travel crisis when airlines claimed they couldn’t hire enough luggage handlers. They were offering 16 dollars an hour; what a shock no one wanted to do it.

The government was paying their bills up until the end of November under a extended EI plan after they ended the Covid pay. Many of those people will be back in the work force in the new year.

 

[kev994]

The government was paying their bills up until the end of November under an extended EI plan after they ended the Covid pay. Many of those people will be back in the work force in the new year.

The decline in workforce participation since 2019 is entirely people over 60. And it’s only going to get worse.

'It is your new normal': Canada's aging workforce root of national labour shortage

 

[childs56]

The decline in workforce participation since 2019 is entirely people over 60.

'It is your new normal': Canada's aging workforce root of national labour shortage

Yes and no. Many working age people who were collecting covid benefits were transitioned over to extended EI benefits. as stated above this ran out the end of Nov 2022. Those people will be looking for work and or other sources of money in the new year.

We do have lots of over 60 crowd coming to retirement , many companies are starting to offer extended work force programs for those who are ready to or about to retire.

But stats Can shows interesting unemployment rates for under 50 crowd.

Labour force characteristics by age group, monthly, seasonally adjusted

Number of persons in the labour force (employment and unemployment), unemployment rate, participation rate and employment rate by age group and sex. Data are presented for 12 months earlier, previous month and current month, as well as year-over-year and month-to-month level change and...

www150.statcan.gc.ca

 

[Quirky]

The decline in workforce participation since 2019 is entirely people over 60. And it’s only going to get worse.

'It is your new normal': Canada's aging workforce root of national labour shortage

Which will only makes things worse for the CAF as we aren’t seen as a preferable employer. Great for those who are retreating into retirement (like me) or just releasing. Jobs everywhere!

 

[kev994]

Which will only makes things worse for the CAF as we aren’t seen as a preferable employer. Great for those who are retreating into retirement (like me) or just releasing. Jobs everywhere!

Yeah, I think some people are hoping that a recession will save us again but this one will be different in that there will be plenty of jobs available.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Which will only makes things worse for the CAF as we aren’t seen as a preferable employer. Great for those who are retreating into retirement (like me) or just releasing. Jobs everywhere!

I got a job immediately after releasing from the CAF that paid very well. I got my first promotion 7 months in to my new career. The opportunities are there for the taking if you want them.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I got a job immediately after releasing from the CAF that paid very well. I got my first promotion 7 months in to my new career. The opportunities are there for the taking if you want them.

But you really miss paying mess bills to a place you never attend, right?

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

But you really miss paying mess bills to a place you never attend, right?

Now I get paid to go to functions

It used to be the other way around

 

[Kirkhill]

I got a job immediately after releasing from the CAF that paid very well. I got my first promotion 7 months in to my new career. The opportunities are there for the taking if you want them.

A recently deceased brother-in-law of mine had just started collecting his 40 year pension from CN and was double dipping as a consultant. He joined at 17 (his future father-in-law got him the job so that he could support his pregnant 16 year old daughter - they died married). His career included postings to such major metropolitan centres as Smithers, Terrace, Unity and Martensville - as I remember. He and his wife raised two good kids who had families of their own. His wife worked bars, Co-Ops and stores.

The thing that kept them going was a word you don't here much of these days:

Ambition.

You go to a job interview and you get asked "where do you see yourself in 5 years?" You don't get asked "what is your ambition?" There is a difference there. One is limited. The other is unlimited.

I think part of the problem we have with the labour force generally is that AMBITION has been beaten out of the kids -

Go to school, do well, go to college - pay your way with jobs at McDonalds, Marble Slab and Starbucks at 15 bucks an hour
Graduate - find you are still working at Starbucks while waiting for your next part time gig
Go back to school to get trades certification - discover you are still getting part time gigs
Can't qualify for a mortgage.
Can't buy a house.
Difficult to see a future that would justify tying another person to you in marriage.
Children are expensive and a drag on the environment.
You're destroying the environment.
You're the wrong type of person.

Hard to get motivated to achieve your ambition when that is the background noise. And isn't ambition related to progress? Isn't progress bad due to it being unsustainable?

And then along comes the Covid shutdowns to put the last nails in everyone's ambitions and aspirations. People learned to accept that they could live within their means - rather than struggling to improve their situation and achieve their ambitions.

Boomers retired early. Youngsters just sucked back. They stopped aspiring to a corner office.

View Canada's Labour Force Participation Rate from Jan 1976 to Nov 2022 in the chart:​

 

[daftandbarmy]

I think part of the problem we have with the labour force generally is that AMBITION has been beaten out of the kids -

Boomers retired early. Youngsters just sucked back. They stopped aspiring to a corner office.

Largely rubbish, of course, and a good example of a prevailing Boomer view of 'kids these days'.

Lots of youngsters are entering the labour market in the usual ways, and everyone leaving college is getting snapped up pretty quickly to help fill the 'Boomer Gaps'.

Canadian youth unemployment reported at about 10% in 2022, which is pretty good compared with the rest of the world:

Youth Unemployment Rate - Countries - List

This page displays a table with actual values, consensus figures, forecasts, statistics and historical data charts for - Youth Unemployment Rate. This page provides values for Youth Unemployment Rate reported in several countries. The table has current values for Youth Unemployment Rate...

tradingeconomics.com

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Canadians, young people included, want to work. What they don't want is to be exploited. That's what's been so apparent with the recent generations. They saw Mom and Dad laid off in 2008, losing the family home to foreclosure, and having to fight to get their pension contributions back.

Coming in on the ground floor and working your way up is extremely rare in most companies in the 21st century, and now the CAF is the outlier in the way we recruit, employ, compensate, promote, and retain workers. Not many folks are coming through the door straight out of High-school anymore; I would reckon a fair few have job, life, and education experience to be much more than Pte Bloggins, Floor Sweeper extraordinaire.

My fellow parents with teens are noticing this more and more. My daughter applied for a part time job, worked one week then quit. Why? Not for lack of work ethic, or ambition, but because the juice wasn't worth the squeeze; she was expected to work outside her availability and with no overtime. Her manager wasn't willing to play ball, so now they're looking to fill another position with someone that "doesn't want to work nowadays."

We are facing a generation that has had the wealth of human knowledge at their fingertips. How many potential recruits have been scared off due to what they have seen and read on Reddit, Facebook, or..hell...even this site?

People want to work. People don't want to get screwed over. The sooner we realize and accept that, the better.

 

[mariomike]

You go to a job interview and you get asked "where do you see yourself in 5 years?"

"Firing you."

 

[Kirkhill]

For the record -

I am not blaming youngsters for a "lack of ambition". I am stating that the circumstances in which they find themselves are less than conducive to ambition. And that is not their fault.

Encouraging youngsters, creating an optimistic future, giving them hope, should be the basis of any functional society.

 

[MilEME09]

For the record -

I am not blaming youngsters for a "lack of ambition". I am stating that the circumstances in which they find themselves are less than conducive to ambition. And that is not their fault.

Encouraging youngsters, creating an optimistic future, giving them hope, should be the basis of any functional society.

What's hope?

 

[Kirkhill]

What's hope?

The other Course of Action.

 

[mariomike]

A recently deceased brother-in-law of mine had just started collecting his 40 year pension from CN and was double dipping as a consultant.

My father was a VIA Rail Locomotive Engineer.

Base pay: $66.77 per hour.

QUALIFICATIONS & COMPETENCIES:
*** Qualified Locomotive Engineer
*** Very good spoken and written communication skills in English
*** Canadian Rail Operating Rules (CROR) qualified
*** Operating experience will be evaluated and considered throughout the selection process
*** No criminal record
*** Ability to meet the physical requirements of the position
*** Good technical and mechanical aptitudes
*** Track experience on the subdivisions for the position is a definite asset
*** Safety orientation, rigor and attention to detail
*** Decision making and problem solving abilities
*** Ability to work under pressure
*** Accountability
*** Customer Focus
*** Flexibility, adaptability and a positive attitude toward change
*** Teamwork and cooperation

 

[Dana381]

I currently don't have any employees but when I did ambition was something I didn't want in a candidate. I look for someone who is smart but not ambitious.

Ambition causes people to move on and training costs too much. And higher pay won't keep them.

I have also heard the same from other small business owners.

Side note, I was once asked where I see myself in 5 years. The interviewer was confounded why I was applying for a job beneath my training (there was not much available). At the end of the interview i asked where she saw the company in 5 years. She didn't have an answer. I said "you want to grow the business and expand, you will then have a position I trained for" I think she was upset because I didn't get the job.