Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Until the not-so-recent past, we were the "Canadian Forces"...

And anyone with a schmick of soldiering ability thought that was lame too

 

[Kirkhill]

Until the not-so-recent past, we were the "Canadian Forces"...

The Canadian Forces​

Constitution​

Marginal note:Canadian Forces

14 The Canadian Forces are the armed forces of Her Majesty raised by Canada and consist of one Service called the Canadian Armed Forces.

National Defence Act

Federal laws of Canada

laws.justice.gc.ca

 

[Eye In The Sky]

This paragraph never made sense to me…



“The Canadian Forces shall consist of the Canadian Armed Forces”.

 

[Kirkhill]

This paragraph never made sense to me…

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“The Canadian Forces shall consist of the Canadian Armed Forces”.

Words mean exactly what politicians and lawyers want them to mean.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

This paragraph never made sense to me…

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“The Canadian Forces shall consist of the Canadian Armed Forces”.

 

[OldSolduer]

At this rate the RCAF will be flying kites, The RCN will be sailing row boats and the Army will have cork pop guns. Kick the effing can down the road seems to be the way here.

 

[dimsum]

RCAF will be flying kites

The CA will argue that since they're attached to the ground, they should take control of said kites.

Paper airplanes, however...

 

[FSTO]

At this rate the RCAF will be flying kites, The RCN will be sailing pulling row boats and the Army will have cork pop guns. Kick the effing can down the road seems to be the way here.

Fixed it for you.

Yer welcome!

 

[Furniture]

Fixed it for you.

Yer welcome!

I love that this post unironically showcases one of DND/CAF's major issues.

We spend so much time "picking fly droppings out of pepper", that we never get around to accomplishing anything.

"I'd love to buy you new subs, but you said "sail on" not "sail in" in the RFP, so we'll have to start again from scratch."

 

[Halifax Tar]

I love that this post unironically showcases one of DND/CAF's major issues.

We spend so much time "picking fly droppings out of pepper", that we never get around to accomplishing anything.

"I'd love to buy you new subs, but you said "sail on" not "sail in" in the RFP, so we'll have to start again from scratch."

We miss the forest for the trees every day.

Staff jobs are most enlightening.

 

[FSTO]

I love that this post unironically showcases one of DND/CAF's major issues.

We spend so much time "picking fly droppings out of pepper", that we never get around to accomplishing anything.

"I'd love to buy you new subs, but you said "sail on" not "sail in" in the RFP, so we'll have to start again from scratch."

So I’m the bad guy??

 

[dapaterson]

Bold of you to assume that I'd assume your gender.

 

[Furniture]

So I’m the bad guy??

No, but it was a perfect example of what I see at least on a weekly basis at NDHQ.

 

[FJAG]

This paragraph never made sense to me…

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“The Canadian Forces shall consist of the Canadian Armed Forces”.

It makes sense when you compare it to the prior National Defence Act such as the 1950 version which at s 15 provided that the Canadian Forces consisted of three services "namely the Royal Canadian Navy, the Canadian Army and the Royal Canadian Air Force"

http://www.lareau-legal.ca/NDA1950.pdf

When everything was unified and integrated in the sixties, they had to roll the three services into one and give it a neutral name. That's the best they could do.

 

[CBH99]

At this rate the RCAF will be flying kites, The RCN will be sailing row boats and the Army will have cork pop guns. Kick the effing can down the road seems to be the way here.

You remember when they put arrows down on the floors of stores like Shoppers, so people would feel safe during the pandemic if they were walking down the aisle the right way?

Take this mindset, and apply it to DND/CAF projects that get kicked down the road & we still want to seem like we are doing something

 

[Kirkhill]

A sense of how Germany is managing its NATO shortfall - Perhaps Trudeau can be enticed to follow suit?

Germany looks to close 'peacetime' capability gaps, targets €15B procurement budget by 2024 - Breaking Defense

"What this tells us is that those projects once in the annual defense budget were not properly funded before transferring to the special arms fund," said Christian Molling, research director at the German Council on Foreign Relations.

breakingdefense.com

Germany’s decision to approve a €100 billion special arms fund a matter of days after Russia invaded Ukraine represented a historic shift in the country’s national security ambitions. The move was designed to bring Germany closer to meeting the 2% NATO GDP spending target,

The “16th report on selected procurements” document, published on Dec. 6, acknowledged that the draft 2023 defense budget will be set at €50.1 billion, €300 million less than the official 2022 total. However, Berlin optimistically forecasts that procurement spending will dramatically increase to reach a target of €15 billion by 2024, jumping from €9.9 billion set to be spent on equipment in 2022.

“Effectively the regular defense budget is decreasing but the government always makes the argument that the flow of money from the special arms fund into procurements will end this trend,”

Besides personnel changes, a total of 19 procurements are assessed by the BMVg, ranging from fighter jet and helicopter projects to frigates, corvettes, infantry fighting vehicles and multinational efforts like the Franco-German-Spanish Future Combat Air System and Eurodrone MALE RPAS programs.

The report also reveals that ten acquisitions have been moved from the national defense budget to the special arms fund: the Puma IFV, F126 Frigate, K130 Corvette, submarine 212 common design, CH-47F heavy lift helicopter, C-130J airlifter, Naval Strike Missile (NSM) Block 1A, Eurodrone MALE RPAS, Pegasus SIGINT and P-8A Poseidon.

“What this tells us is that those projects once in the annual defense budget were not properly funded before transferring to the special arms fund,” said Molling. “If you look back into the decisions taken by the previous government on procurement, there were a significant number of examples where budgeting did not cover 100% of costs but nonetheless, the decision to procure equipment [was] taken.”

Effectively the Germans have created an extraordinary, war-time, capital fund outside of the regular budget programme. A very large Operations Budget from General Revenues?

 

[FormerHorseGuard]

They will spend the increase in a 2 or 3 fold on operational and planning

Part 1 will be a bilingual study on how much they should invest in the CAF to be released after the next election
Part 2 will be another study on how much the previous Government spent on the CAF
Part 3 will be the final study on what the new Government will do to spend more money on the CAF

Add up the costs of these 3 studies and that will be equal to the cost of the Increase to the CAF Budget before HST.

They will study it till it is time to retire the equipment they just purchased and figure out a way to upgrade, but cut the actual number of whatever fleet in half, because the CAF has operated for X number of years on half because half the equipment was worn out or broken down. The Upgrade will be new paint and rubber tires for APC fleet, and new plastic covers and cases for the C7 family.
Nothing will change. Just keep delaying the rebuild or the building of equipment till it is out of date and we have to start over.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

You remember when they put arrows down on the floors of stores like Shoppers, so people would feel safe during the pandemic if they were walking down the aisle the right way?

Take this mindset, and apply it to DND/CAF projects that get kicked down the road & we still want to seem like we are doing something

I remember getting back from Sea (being unaware of the new restrictions) and seeing people blow gaskets at the grocery store because someone walked down an aisle "the wrong way".

I also remember we then put arrows in my Ship so the civilian workers coming onboard "felt safe" (forgot to let them know it's a pressurized environment ).

I have thought since then that we are royally ####ed and the good times are definitely over. My thoughts haven't changed since.

People are pretty stupid

 

[Quirky]

The worst thing to come from the pandemic is the idiotic “stay safe” nonsense. The arrows were annoying but it’s not like they were enforced by grocery workers.

 

[Prairie canuck]

The worst thing to come from the pandemic is the idiotic “stay safe” nonsense. The arrows were annoying but it’s not like they were enforced by grocery workers.

How exactly was "stay safe" nonsense and idiotic?