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But don't let the absence of facts stop a good e-lynching by the barrack-room lawyers. op:Electric Ian said:There's a lot more to this story than you're aware of.
But don't let the absence of facts stop a good e-lynching by the barrack-room lawyers. op:Electric Ian said:There's a lot more to this story than you're aware of.
The Roto that did the work up training in Ft Bliss Texas in 2008, when they got there respite after training.......if even half the stories I was told were true, how THAT didn't make the news.....(heck even the CDS commented on it when we were in Irwin for Roto 9 workup, saying they learned from '08, and hoped to hell we didn't break Las Vegas).garb811 said:Yeah, because its not like there were ever any problem with folks when we were doing the 72 hr R&R leave centers in the Balkans, in Guam after APOLLO 0 and currently in Cyprus. Heck, they were so well behaved they didn't even put any MP on staff there...oh, wait a minute...
George Wallace said:I disagree. Making his way back to his shore based home unit would show that he did not intend to desert, and was using a reasonable means to return to his unit.
Desertion would be more in line with: if (s)he decided to disappear and intend not to return to CAF service at all.
medicineman said:Kind of like the dude who's room I packed up as a private - there were his ID cards and ID discs on his desk with a big "Frig The Army" letter explaining his not being at work anymore...
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MARS said:An that's a fair statement - being human and making mistakes and getting a grip. Unfortunately, the way the senior leadership might choose to 'get a grip' might be to do away wih booze on ships. Will it stop these kind of incidents? No. But at least the ship won't be contributing to it. A LOT of sailors fail to realize that there is a building movement underway to do away wih booze. Because it is a relatively easy way to mitigate some of this stuff. EVERYTIME something like this happens, the argument gains more ligitimacy. There is simply very, very little tolerance among the Canadian public for this kind of stuff from CAF members.
Pusser said:The biggest problem here would be a spineless leadership that would actually make it sound that our sailors were somehow being abnormal. Getting drunk at a hot tourist spot in Florida! Heck, no one ever does that so there is obviously something wrong in the Royal Canadian Navy that its sailors might indulge a bit!
Removing booze from ships would be the worst thing they could do. You don't have to look too far to see the problems the USN has in its "dry" ships (booze and drugs smuggled on board and far worse problems with debauchery ashore when they get alongside than we've ever had to deal with). We studied this years ago and I remember talking to the crusty old chiefs who were quick to point out that we had more trouble with booze in the Navy BEFORE we had bars on board for the sailors (NB: prior to stopping the tot, only the Wardroom had a bar - everyone else got their daily tot). There was widespread hoarding of tots and smuggling of booze on board. When you try to ban something, you drive it underground and that only makes the problem worse (look at Prohibition for another bad American example). Keeping bars on board the ships enables us to control it, which is good, because we'll never be able to stop it.
MARS said:Quote from: Pusser on Today at 18:00:35
The biggest problem here would be a spineless leadership that would actually make it sound that our sailors were somehow being abnormal. Getting drunk at a hot tourist spot in Florida! Heck, no one ever does that so there is obviously something wrong in the Royal Canadian Navy that its sailors might indulge a bit!
Removing booze from ships would be the worst thing they could do. You don't have to look too far to see the problems the USN has in its "dry" ships (booze and drugs smuggled on board and far worse problems with debauchery ashore when they get alongside than we've ever had to deal with). We studied this years ago and I remember talking to the crusty old chiefs who were quick to point out that we had more trouble with booze in the Navy BEFORE we had bars on board for the sailors (NB: prior to stopping the tot, only the Wardroom had a bar - everyone else got their daily tot). There was widespread hoarding of tots and smuggling of booze on board. When you try to ban something, you drive it underground and that only makes the problem worse (look at Prohibition for another bad American example). Keeping bars on board the ships enables us to control it, which is good, because we'll never be able to stop it.
I agree with everything you have said.
:rofl:Chief Stoker said:Perhaps what we need when a ship arrives in port, the ship's organizes other activities such as tours of local attractions and stuff like that.
Chief Stoker said:Perhaps what we need when a ship arrives in port, the ship's organizes other activities such as tours of local attractions and stuff like that.
Occam said:They've done that for years. First organized tour I ever had in a foreign port was in 1986 - of the Tuborg Brewery in Copenhagen. ;D