Hamas invaded Israel 2023

[GR66]

There may have been hatred of Jews before in the middle east but it wasn’t as it is now. Clearly they were tolerated before Israel’s existence. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been a diaspora to move to Israel.

Are you serious???

From Wikipedia...but there are so many references to historical antisemitism that you could spend a lifetime reading about it

The first clear examples of anti-Jewish sentiment can be traced to the 3rd century BCE to Alexandria,

Statements exhibiting prejudice against Jews and their religion can be found in the works of many pagan Greek and Roman writers.

There are examples of Hellenistic rulers desecrating the Temple and banning Jewish religious practices, such as circumcision, Shabbat observance, the study of Jewish religious books, etc. Examples may also be found in anti-Jewish riots in Alexandria in the 3rd century BCE.

James Carroll asserted: "Jews accounted for 10% of the total population of the Roman Empire. By that ratio, if other factors such as pogroms and conversions had not intervened, there would be 200 million Jews in the world today, instead of something like 13 million."

In the late 6th century CE, the newly Catholicised Visigothic kingdom in Hispania issued a series of anti-Jewish edicts which forbade Jews from marrying Christians, practicing circumcision, and observing Jewish holy days. Continuing throughout the 7th century, both Visigothic kings and the Church were active in creating social aggression and towards Jews with "civic and ecclesiastic punishments",ranging between forced conversion, slavery, exile and death.

From the 9th century, the medieval Islamic world classified Jews and Christians as dhimmis and allowed Jews to practice their religion more freely than they could do in medieval Christian Europe. Under Islamic rule, there was a Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain that lasted until at least the 11th century. It ended when several Muslim pogroms against Jews took place on the Iberian Peninsula, including those that occurred in Córdoba in 1011 and in Granada in 1066. Several decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were also enacted in Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Yemen from the 11th century. In addition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in some parts of Yemen, Morocco and Baghdad several times between the 12th and 18th centuries.

The Almohads, who had taken control of the Almoravids' Maghribi and Andalusian territories by 1147, were far more fundamentalist in outlook compared to their predecessors, and they treated the dhimmis harshly. Faced with the choice of either death or conversion, many Jews and Christians emigrated.

In medieval Europe, Jews were persecuted with blood libels, expulsions, forced conversions and massacres. These persecutions were often justified on religious grounds and reached a first peak during the Crusades. In 1096, hundreds or thousands of Jews were killed during the First Crusade..

In 1147, there were several massacres of Jews during the Second Crusade. The Shepherds' Crusades of 1251 and 1320 both involved attacks, as did the Rintfleisch massacres in 1298. Expulsions followed, such as the 1290 banishment of Jews from England, the expulsion of 100,000 Jews from France in 1394, and the 1421 expulsion of thousands of Jews from Austria. Many of the expelled Jews fled to Poland.

As the Black Death epidemics devastated Europe in the mid-14th century, causing the death of a large part of the population, Jews were used as scapegoats. Rumors spread that they caused the disease by deliberately poisoning wells. Hundreds of Jewish communities were destroyed in numerous persecutions. Although Pope Clement VI tried to protect them by issuing two papal bulls in 1348, the first on 6 July and an additional one several months later, 900 Jews were burned alive in Strasbourg, where the plague had not yet affected the city.

Martin Luther, an ecclesiastical reformer whose teachings inspired the Reformation, wrote antagonistically about Jews in his pamphlet On the Jews and their Lies, written in 1543. He portrays the Jews in extremely harsh terms, excoriates them and provides detailed recommendations for a pogrom against them, calling for their permanent oppression and expulsion. At one point he writes: "...we are at fault in not slaying them...", a passage that, according to historian Paul Johnson, "may be termed the first work of modern antisemitism, and a giant step forward on the road to the Holocaust."

During the mid-to-late 17th century the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth was devastated by several conflicts, in which the Commonwealth lost over a third of its population (over 3 million people), and Jewish losses were counted in the hundreds of thousands. The first of these conflicts was the Khmelnytsky Uprising, when Bohdan Khmelnytsky's supporters massacred tens of thousands of Jews in the eastern and southern areas he controlled (today's Ukraine).

Thousands of Jews were slaughtered by Cossack Haidamaks in the 1768 massacre of Uman in the Kingdom of Poland. In 1772, the empress of Russia Catherine II forced the Jews into the Pale of Settlement – which was located primarily in present-day Poland, Ukraine, and Belarus – and to stay in their shtetls and forbade them from returning to the towns that they occupied before the partition of Poland.

Historian Martin Gilbert writes that it was in the 19th century that the position of Jews worsened in Muslim countries. Benny Morris writes that one symbol of Jewish degradation was the phenomenon of stone-throwing at Jews by Muslim children. Morris quotes a 19th-century traveler: "I have seen a little fellow of six years old, with a troop of fat toddlers of only three and four, teaching [them] to throw stones at a Jew, and one little urchin would, with the greatest coolness, waddle up to the man and literally spit upon his Jewish gaberdine. To all this the Jew is obliged to submit; it would be more than his life was worth to offer to strike a Mahommedan."

In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote about the life of Persian Jews, describing conditions and beliefs that went back to the 16th century: "…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt…."

 

[Eaglelord17]

You miss the point, South Africa still exists, Israeli would not.


Did you miss the actions of the Arabs since 1948?
Do you think Canada should return Quebec to France?


You can be free to believe what you want, the issue occurs when one tries to enforce that view on others, and loses, repeatedly…

And who has continually sabotaged it and refused that solution?


Seriously?

A nation would still exist where Israel is, whether it’s called Israel or not means nothing.

A more apt comparison would be returning land recently stolen from the natives back to them. Which we are legally starting to do thanks to the various treaties we dishonoured. What Israel is doing is colonization, just in the 20th and 21st centuries a hundred years after we learned it is wrong.

Did you miss the actions of the Israelis since 1948? About half the wars in the region over that time they started, they aren’t all defensive actions. Not to mention the illegal settlements and driving of/killing of Palestinians to take their homes and land.

Both sides have continuously sabotaged any attempt at peace over the last 70 years. More recently Israel has supported Hamas over the PLO because the PLO had a chance of forming a legitimate government and would have stopped Israeli expansion. Much easier to justify your actions when the other side is extremists.

Are you serious???

From Wikipedia...but there are so many references to historical antisemitism that you could spend a lifetime reading about it

Historical anti-semitism doesn’t mean genocide. My argument is generally they were tolerated in the arab world before Israel came into existence. Yes there was discrimination (as there was in the western world as well, if anything we treated them worse and thats ignoring the holocaust) but that isn’t straight up killing them.

Generally the way Arabs treated religious minorities was to tax them harder and give incentives to convert. They did discriminate against them but by and large they let them live their lives provided they weren’t trying to convert anyone. It’s only in the modern era that has changed.