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Government Falls! The 2006 election thread

Mo-litia, I really hope that you can make that dance, but there have been other elections that people were dancing about adled Annie's defeat before it happened.  Make sure you get people out to vote to make that dance a real happy one.
 
redleafjumper said:
Mo-litia, I really hope that you can make that dance, but there have other elections that people were dancing about adled Annie's defeat before it happened.  Make sure you get people out to vote to make that dance a real happy one.

Seen, redleaf.

I would be happy if Canada passed an Australian-type law making voting a legal duty, not a right.  I grit my teeth every time I hear someone rail against  politics only to re-cap their 'argument' with "And that's why I don't vote."

Some people's kids these days... ::)
 
"I'm just happy that I live in Anne McLellan's riding; watch for me doing the happy-dance in front of her campaign office when she's fired next week! "

- You just might want to be rolling your self down to Laurie Hawn's campaign office and lending a hand.  They could probably use it.

Tom
 
mo-litia said:
I'm just happy that I live in Anne McLellan's riding; watch for me doing the happy-dance in front of her campaign office when she's fired next week!  :dontpanic:

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Don't be too sure about that...she has a nasty habit of pulling victory from out of her arse...
 
TCBF said:
You just might want to be rolling your self down to Laurie Hawn's campaign office and lending a hand.  They could probably use it.

Tom

Laurie Hawn?!? But I'm voting NDP!  :P

Seriously, though; that sounds like a good idea. I think I just might look into it-all of our Members of Parliment should have served in the CF.  What a good (run on common sense) country this would be... ;D
 
Here is the email I got back from Merv Tweed the Conservative MP of my city:

Mr. Gator,
Thank you for your email regarding the Liberal Party ad that depicts our soldiers in a most negative way.
I have asked the local Liberal Canadidate to apologize but he has refused.
Let us join together with ouor colleagues and send Paul Martin a message on January 23rd.
Sincerely,
Merv Tweed
Conservative Candidate for Brandon-Souris
 
Final Ipsos poll in with the conservatives show a 12 point lead. 8)

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2948
 
True. Election day is the true poll. Monday the voters of Canada will make their will known.
 
The almost last word:

http://www.nationalreview.com/jos/osullivan200601191410.asp

January 19, 2006, 2:10 p.m.
“I’m a Lumberjack and I’m Okay”
The upcoming election in Canada.

Canadian politics is often said to be boring. Maybe this widespread American belief can be set down to the fact that Canada is America's least-threatening neighbor. When Mexico, Nicaragua, El Salvador, and Cuba are your other neighbors, then Canada is bound to seem like the nation-state equivalent of a maiden aunt — prissy and disapproving but no real trouble.

There is something in this, but it is not the whole story. In 1945 Canada was the world's fourth-largest military power. Its soldiers, sailors, and airmen had played a major part on D-Day and in finally defeating Nazi Germany. And its national image was that of a tough, self-reliant, stand-up guy whom you would like on your side in a barroom brawl.

From 1945 to the present, the history and changing national image of Canada were brilliantly summed up in the Monty Python song that begins "I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay" and gradually develops into "I put on women's clothing and hang around in bars." In other words, not necessarily someone you would like on your side in a barroom brawl.

Trudeaupian Candadians
This new Canada was the child of Pierre Trudeau and the Canadian Liberal party. As the sprawling octopus of the government in power for most of the postwar period, they remade Canada in their own image: left-liberal in politics, tightly regulated in economics, welfarist in social policy, officially bilingual and multicultural as regards national identity, allied to the United Nations and the third world in foreign policy, and therefore self-consciously different from (and sometimes even hostile to) the U.S.

In one significant respect, however, the new Trudeaupian Canadians imitated America: They ditched their British-style parliamentary constitution and introduced an American constitution with both a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, broader and more collectivist than America's Bill of Rights, and a U.S.-style Supreme Court to adjudicate and enforce it. By making the courts the all-but-final political authority, the Liberals were hoping to ensure that like-minded judges could continue to impose Trudeaupian liberal policies on Canada even during the brief intervals when they were out of office.

Such an interval may just be about to occur. Canada is holding a federal election next Monday, and most opinion polls show a lead of around 10-12 percent for the opposition Conservative party. In Canada's multiparty system, that might not ensure a majority for the Tories. The opinion scores for the three main national parties — 40 percent for the CPD, 30 percent for the ruling Liberals, and 16 percent for the left-wing National Democratic party — could produce a range of results. But there is a strong prospect of a minority Tory government, and a lesser but real chance of an outright majority one.

"I'm a Scary Conservative with a Hidden Agenda" The Liberals are going into overdrive to prevent this — hurling a series of charges against the rising Tories. Their all-purpose portmanteau slander is that the Tories are a sinister force and are secretly planning a series of radical attacks on Canada's current multicultural-welfare state. My distinguished columnar colleague, Mark Steyn, parodies this critique by offering Canadian visitors to his website t-shirts that read: "I'm a Scary Conservative with a Hidden Agenda." But the Liberals have outdone even Mr. Steyn's satire. Their latest television ad warned that the Tories intended to deploy the Canadian armed forces in urban areas, implying that they would be used not to help in Katrina-style emergencies but to impose martial law. This invited a raucous response from, among others, the Canadian military: "Where would we get the soldiers? Where would we get the guns?" asked one officer, who asked not to be named [by Canada's National Post.] "Haven't these guys been reading their own policies?" The ad was quickly withdrawn amid Liberal embarrassment. A Liberal flunkey remarked that "some idiot" had approved it. The Liberals' embarrassment deepened when it became known that the "idiot" in question was the prime minister, Paul Martin.

The next Liberal tactic was to exploit Canada's rich vein of anti-Americanism. Martin picked up a favorable reference by the Tory leader, Stephen Harper, to American conservatives — and proceeded to embroider it darkly: "That's what Stephen Harper means when he says it's time for a change in Canada. Well, let me tell you something, Mr. Harper. That's not the kind of change that Canadians want. America is our neighbor. It is not our nation." Martin also picked a silly quarrel with the U.S. ambassador in order to be seen “standing up” to the U.S.

No Traction with Harper Horrors
Such posturing has left the voters unimpressed. They know Martin doesn’t really mean it since his and previous Liberal governments have happily cooperated with the U.S. on serious matters such as defense and cross-border trade. They also think it would be a bad thing if Martin did mean it since it might alienate Canada’s largest trading partner — especially since the first faint signs of American irritation at these pinpricks have been lately observed.

As defeat has loomed, Martin’s Liberal party has unleashed a third and more interesting attack — that Harper and the Tories might one day use the “notwithstanding” clause of the Canadian constitution that allows parliament in the last resort to overrule the Supreme Court by exempting a law from its constitutional review. Martin promises to abolish the clause in order to protect such recent judge-made law as same-sex marriage.

The issue is certainly important. Removing the notwithstanding clause would make the Supreme Court the sovereign political authority in Canada, outside the control of the voters. It would then be impossible for an elected government to repeal any Liberal policy of which the courts approved. Democracy would be replaced by judgeocracy.

It is usually hard to get the voters to pay regard to such apparently theoretical risks. On this occasion, however, a report commissioned by Ottawa has just pointed out, with exquisitely bad timing, that the courts might well interpret the Charter rules on marriage so as to legalize polygamy. Without a notwithstanding clause, no Canadian government could prevent such legalization. It is now the Liberals’ turn to look “scary.”

At any rate, whatever the reason, their campaign of scares is visibly failing today. The Liberals, still reeling from a massive financial scandal of influence-buying in Quebec, are simply not a credible source for scares — at least about other people. The voters — who last year were frightened away from voting Tory by a similar last-minute scare campaign — have had twelve months to become accustomed to the possibility of a Tory majority. It looks a good deal less “scary” than legalized polygamy.

Above all, the Tory leader, Stephen Harper, is not a very good candidate for demonization. He is a cerebral politician who has kept cool under the Liberal onslaught. He has fought a controlled campaign on a distinctly moderate conservative manifesto.

Too moderate, some would say, since the Tory manifesto concentrates on cleaning up government after the Liberal scandals, offers only modest tax cuts, is willing to offer the U.S. a “free vote” in parliament on joining a missile defense system (rather than supporting it outright), and proposes raft after raft of government assistance programs rather than a smaller state.

That said, the Tories also propose to rebuild Canada’s shrunken military, to retain the democratic safeguard of the notwithstanding clause, to strengthen border security against terrorists, to advance Canada’s interests by better relations with the U.S. rather than by pointless insults, and in general to revive the more vigorous Canada that existed before Trudeau.

Harper’s moderation is a recognition that the Canadians have become accustomed to the easy chair of subsidies and regulation. He knows that massive change would be rejected. So he is inviting modern Canada to take the first small steps back to economic independence, self-reliance, and national pride — perhaps with more to follow as the patient grows stronger.

But is there still a lumberjack under all that mascara?

— John O'Sullivan is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, editor-at-large of National Review, and a member of Benador Associates through whom he can be contacted.
 
http://www.nationalreview.com/jos/osullivan200601191410.asp

 
Another interesting email: 
Oh Canada!

  From a retired RCMP member, and yes he has been shot at.




  Paul Martin:

  You just don't get it, do you Paul??  Halifax has been deemed the most violent city (per capita) in the country, Toronto is out of control, our youth are dying, our elderly are being killed by our youth, taxi drivers are stabbed to death on Christmas Day and you pass out a bunch of lip service to Canadians and suggest that you will ban handguns.

  It has nothing to do with banning handguns and calling in all the legally registered handguns in the country.  Do you realize how much money it will cost should you reimburse everyone for the handguns?

  Do you realize that we have had to register handguns since 1934?

  Do you realize that means handguns have been registered for 72 years?

  Do you realize that handguns/firearms were not a problem until the Liberals took over running this country?  Why would you suggest that calling in handguns will solve the problem?

  What will solve the problem of violence in this once great country of ours is a Justice system with some backbone.

  What will solve the problem of violence in the once great country is social programs that promote people taking responsibility for their action rather than always finding someone else to blame.

  There is no deterrent for gun smugglers, drug pushers, murderers (adult or youth), rapists, child molesters, so on and so on.  Your intention is to make all law abiding gun owners pay for the actions of "punks", "misguided youth", "young offenders", whatever you wish to call them.

  Don't pass legislation or enact mandatory sentencing that makes them responsible for their actions!

  No, No!!  Instead defer the blame away from the shooter and put the blame on the gun.

  Defer the blame away from the shooter and put it on a society that has failed this "poor child".

  Don't put the blame on the apathy of the communities that these murderers come from but rather blame the authorities who try their best only to be condemned for being overzealous or racist.

  No, No - blame the gun!!!!!

  Now I ask you the following. Would your proposal to ban all handguns be an admission, by yourself and your party, that the three billion dollar Canadian Gun Registry has failed.

  After all you did tell us that the gun registry would make gun owners more responsible and make our streets safer.  Since the gun registry was implemented, violence involving firearms, especially with our youth, has been steadily on the rise.

  What about the violence involving youths and knives?

  What about the violence involving youth who savagely beat a young girl and then drown her in a river in BC?

  What about violence involving our youth who drugged their mother and drown her in the bathtub in Ont.?

  What will you ban to stop this type of crime?

  The youth of this country laugh at our Justice System!

  The youth of this country know that the bleeding heart liberals, wannabe Dr. Spocks, John Howards, Elizabeth Frys, irresponsible/too-busy-with-my-own-life parents will coddle them and deflect the blame to some level of government, the education system, the law enforcement system -anywhere but on the person who committed the crime!!!

  I could go on, but I know you don't care and will sacrifice this country and our youth so that you appear to be politically correct and sensitive.

  To hell with our youth and the Justice System, you keep focused on things like the gun registry, same sex marriage, paying off Quebec to stay part of Canada at the expense of the rest of the Nation.

  Hopefully Canadians will make you pay this time around and take THEIR country back!!

  CC:  This copy was sent so that the other perspective leaders will know how at least one Canadian feels (and I know for certain many others) about where Ottawa's focus should be.  The justice system is in the sewer and needs rescue immediately!!!



  Doug Grist

  Chester, N.S.
 
Yippee!  The margin of victory is not as large as was hoped, but it is still a victory.  I hope the victory dance in front of Anne McLellan's office went well. 



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Cliff said:
Nice to see the conservatives in, even if it's just a minority ;D

Agreed, but stand by for months of pissy pants bill torpedoing by the Lieberals.  WTF is wrong with people?  They should have been seatless. ???  At least Dithers is gone.
 
Oh, trust me, the collective voting brain dump zone that I live in drives me up the wall.  We have TWO bloody NDP seats here (thanks robot auto workers) and once again we are poised to be completely overlooked by the fed for funding and support.  Down in these parts, the fear mongering ooooo-scary Conservative talk gets taken at face value and is very real.  I avoid talking about it, because when you start actually talking to people about the issues, they have no real answers, just "ahhh, I just don't trust those guys".  :brickwall:
Maybe in 2010....
 
I'm just happy that there is now a military-friendly minority government in power. Harper + Hillier = possible good future ahead for the forces  :salute: :warstory: :cdn:

(I voted conservative, but not just because of the military)
 
What judging from the number of posts, that the recent conservative win in going to be a bonanza for the military. Give your 'happy' pills back guys. First election promises are just that promises-no date time frames to completion. Next as to the Conservatives in general anyone out there remember Brian "M" and all the promises and military equipment related fiasco's. Wake up smell the coffee and read " Who Killed the Canadian Military?: What Canada Must Do to Defend Itself in the 21st Century" by J.L. Granatstein. Here's a summary for those of you who cannot afford the 16.00 for the paperback version.

Prime Minister St. Laurent was not responsible for the death of the Canadian military. In fact, his leadership and ability to explain to Canadians the necessity of military participation in Korea and NATO serve as a role model in challenging times. During his tenure, defence spending averaged 6.5% of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP).

Prime Minister John Diefenbaker’s (1957-1963) tenure conjures up security/military issues related to NORAD, nuclear weapons delivery, and the Avro Arrow fighter jet. He was suspicious of the USA, and of President Kennedy in particular. During the Cuban missile crisis, he delayed putting the military on alert, infuriating the Americans in the process. Diefenbaker failed to understand Canada’s national interests; he made the Canadian Forces political and used defence policy to "smack" the US. Diefenbaker killed the military.

Lester Pearson’s only fault was that, as foreign minister to 1957, he did his job too well. His understanding of international affairs and responsible leadership led to the successful interposition of Canadian troops and the defusing of the Suez Crisis in 1956. He won the Nobel Peace Prize, making him the model statesman and envy of politicians. He established the Pearsonian peacekeeping myth that continues, today to hurt the military (peaceful intervention leads to the faulty deduction that there is no need to acquire arms for the military). Succeeding Liberal leaders have tried to emulate Pearson by sending Canadian Forces on a myriad of "peacekeeping" missions. The peacekeeping myth, along with the reluctance to arm Canada’s military, has dealt the military a mortal blow. Mike Pearson killed the military.

Defence Minister Paul Hellyer also ranks as one of the killers of the Canadian military. The idea of unification was not a bad one. The military should work together. However, Hellyer’s tactics were terrible: changing uniform and rank structures was not necessary to effect unification. Hellyer went too far and killed the Canadian military.

Pierre Trudeau viewed soldiers as unintelligent thugs. Likewise, his perception of the major powers was distorted: he saw the USSR and US as moral equivalents. His belief that Canada could find a new way in foreign and defence policy led to European-based Canadian military reductions in NATO. Trudeau killed the Canadian Military.

Brian Mulroney came to power with the promise to restore the Canadian Forces after the Liberal government’s long neglect. Every promise was broken; expectations raised by the 1987 White Paper were dashed. Mulroney killed the Canadian Forces.

Jean Chrétien finished off the Canadian Forces. He did not understand Canada’s national interests nor did his government understand the US response to 9/11. With no coordinated purpose or knowledge of interests, he sent Canadian troops all over the globe during his tenure, weakened the military, and failed to tell the Canadian people that he had depleted their force of last resort. Jean Chrétien killed the military.


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