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Further delays in US F-35 testing schedule

PuckChaser said:
Even if it only saves a handful of pilots/airframes, I think the cost is justified.

Why don't you want our pilots to have every conceivable advantage, Mark? Maybe you can be the guy to go with the Padre to the young pilot's spouse and explain to him/her that we just didn't want to spend the extra $20 million so the plane was harder to detect.
 
...every conceivable advantage...

I do not see that principle being applied to other parts of the CF, esp. the Navy.

Sorry,  I have had enough here with ad hominem responses.  I quit.  Perhaps many here may think that a Good Thing.  There is an insularity in the CF that tends to disparage (often well deservedly) civilian comment  How well deserved in my case people here may judge.  You have lost this one in any event. 

And, I as said recently, we have a son in the combat arms.  So...?  Is his life worth $20 million?  Not in any rational sense, else combat missions (heaven forfend real wars such as Afstan again) would be even more unaffordable than they now seem to be for the Canadian populace.

Ta ta,

Mark
Ottawa

P.S. Just finally to break again the apparent rules, you might note that I continue posting, unpaid, at the Canadian Defence & Foreign Affairs Institute's 3Ds Blog:
http://www.cdfai.org/the3dsblog/
 
You mean we are now going to be free from link hell?

Mark- I'll debate you any day on the facts.  My issue with you was not so much that your opinion differed from mine, it just felt that every post you made was a commerical for your various blog ventures.  It got very tiresome.
 
It's not just Mark that has a problem with this.

There is PLENTY of ink spilled on American forums about how this is out of control.

I suspect that our aversion to collateral damage, amongst others that I am not privy to,  have  kept the CF18's  out of the afgan fight.


I also note that we are one of the few Nato countries that we do not have  dedicated attack helicopters.

I feel that that are other proven, platforms that are better at air-air roles etc, eg eurofighter, now proving itself in Libya

If we want a suppression of air defense bomb truck that we intend to use, fine.

Any other role, better options avail.

In any event it seems the upcoming election, makes this moot.

errr, unless its about regional industrial benefits, or whatever there equivilant is these days ::)

 
PuckChaser said:
Why don't you want our pilots to have every conceivable advantage, Mark? Maybe you can be the guy to go with the Padre to the young pilot's spouse and explain to him/her that we just didn't want to spend the extra $20 million so the plane was harder to detect.
 
Its a shame you don't want to debate, Mark. I really don't want to take any parting shots, but if you don't want to debate your posts then perhaps your blog is the best place for you to broadcast your opinions without having to back them up.
 
Norway to buy four F-35 training jets

April 7, 2011 (by Bjørnar Bolsøy) - The Norwegian government wants to go forward with its plans to aquire an initial batch of four F-35 jets in 2016. Based on new U.S. cost data the overall cost picture has changed little.

The government's proposal, which needs to be approved by Parliament, is in line with the earlier decisions to procure the F-35 for its F-16 replacement. The RNoAF's F-16 fleet has served for three decades and is set for retirement in 2023 at the latest.

- Acquisition of the four planes is an important step to maintain a satisfactory operational combat aircraft capacity in the transition phase between the F-16 and F-35, says Defense Minister Grete Faremo.

The jets will be based in the U.S. and used initially to train instructor pilots and later operational pilots. These are the first of up to 56 planned jets with main deliveries planned in the 2018-2021 timeframe.

The four jets are expected to cost NOK 4.8 billion or USD 744 million with a projected exchange rate of NOK 6.45. This includes NOK 1.2 billion in logistics and operations in the first few years, as well as contingencies of NOK 0.4 billion NOK.

These jets will be delivered early and are thus more expensive than the later main batches.

Overall the acquisition of 56 jets, weapons, logistics and support, training, infrastructure and equipment is estimated at NOK 52 billion or USD 8 billion in 2011-value. This is based on new information from the manufactorer and the U.S. government, and is in line with the projected estimates from 2008.

The cost picture has changed little - an increase of about 2.5 percent or NOK one billion - according to the Defence Department, despite recent delays and restructuring of the F-35 program.

This is due in part to the decision to deferr main deliveries from 2017 to 2018. In addition the 2008 project did take into account possible changes and delays in the F-35 program. The Defence Department states that challenges in the development program were already identified and accounted for in the previous estimates.

Compared to the 2008 estimate of NOK 42 billion the new figures are also ajusted for updated inflation and currency rates, at NOK 5 billion and NOK 4 billion respectively.

Norway's confidence in the F-35 program was emphasized at a recent press briefing in Oslo. As part of his first official European tour as chief of the F-35 program Vice Admiral David Venlet provided the Norwegians with a thorough status of the program.

Deputy Minister of Defence Roger Ingebrigtsen expressed reassurance that, based on Venlet's briefing of the recent replan, the program is on a sound footing and that there are no surprises on cost.

- The new cost figures are within our budget limits, said Ingebrigtsen. - Based on the new information there is nothing that causes myself or the Defence Department to loose any sleep.

Venlet led last year's Technical Baseline Review (TBR) - the most extensive review of the F-35 program to date - assessing the cost, schedule and technical risk of the development program (SDD). Based on the TBR a number of changes were made, such as diverting funds from production and procurement to boost the development and testing of the F-35.

Venlet told F-16.net that the replan is "realistic" and expressed confidence in the new less straneous development and production schedule.

- The new plan gives the program good flexibility to absorb technical issues", Venlet said.

Part of the explation is that the number of test jets have increased substantially to facilitate an increase in planned test flights from 5,800 to 7,700 thorugh 2016. "There are now 18 jets planned for testing instead of 12", Venlet added. Having a 50 percent larger test fleet will add significantly to the test program's leeway and ability to identify and sort out problems.

In all the Norwegian government is a considerable step closer to finalizing the deal to aquire the F-35.

http://www.f-16.net/news_article4325.html

 
link

DATE:25/04/11
SOURCE:Flight International
DoD orders F136 termination
By Stephen Trimble

The US government has terminated a contract that would have completed development of the General Electric/Rolls-Royce F136 alternate engine for the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II.

The order by Ashton Carter, undersecretary of defense for acquisition, technology and logistics, means the Department of Defense can close the F136 production line.

Carter also had the option to dispose of the F136 test engines already delivered, but has instead instructed the GE/Rolls team to preserve and deliver all government property.

The termination follows a "stop work" order issued on 24 March, and comes after President Barack Obama signed an appropriations bill on 15 April that contains no funding for the F136.

The F136 decision is still expected to be revisited next week by the House Armed Services Committee, which is chaired by Rep Buck McKeon, a strong supporter for a competitive engine to challenge the Pratt & Whitney F135 for F-35 orders.

The GE/Rolls team was preparing to propose self-funding a portion of the remaining F136 development costs, with estimates ranging between $1.9 billion and $2.6 billion.

In a 25 April letter to employees, GE chairman Jeff Immelt said the company is "discussing with our supporters in Congress how GE can help fund some of the remaining F136 development costs".

GE also has proposed to sign contracts based on fixed-price rules to cover the remainder of development.

"We believe that common sense will prevail and will preserve the $3 billion already invested in the F136," Immelt says.

The DoD has been trying to eliminate the F136 programme for five years, arguing that any potential cost-savings from competition are out-weighed by the impact of upfront outlays to redundant engine suppliers.

"While we are deeply disappointed by the DoD's 'Notice of Termination,' GE and Rolls-Royce remain committed to the F136 and the significant benefits it brings," the companies said in a joint statement.
 
They are starting to roll off the line.

From today's Ottawa Sun

http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/05/10/production-f35s-start-rolling-off-the-line


OTTAWA - The US Air Force has taken possession of the first production F-35 fighter jet and another eight are ready to be delivered, according to the developer Lockheed Martin.

On Friday, the first of nearly 2,000 fifth-generation stealth fighter jets for the US was flown from Lockheed Martin's facility in Fort Worth, Texas, to Edwards Air Force Base in California.

More at Link

 
“The so-called ‘fifth-generation’ fighters have certainly revolutionized U.S. air power,” Ares’ Bill Sweetman noted, “if not quite in the way anyone had in mind.”

Entire U.S. Stealth Fighter Fleet Grounded
By David Axe  August 9, 2011  |  12:13 pm  |  Categories: Air Force

link here
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/08/entire-u-s-stealth-fighter-fleet-grounded/#more-54119

Those reponsible should receive the Distinguished Viscount Sir Douglas Haig of the Somme, award for Innovation and Strategic Brilliance, with chestnuts.

 
Kalatzi said:
“The so-called ‘fifth-generation’ fighters have certainly revolutionized U.S. air power,” Ares’ Bill Sweetman noted, “if not quite in the way anyone had in mind.”

Entire U.S. Stealth Fighter Fleet Grounded
By David Axe  August 9, 2011  |  12:13 pm  |  Categories: Air Force

link here
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/08/entire-u-s-stealth-fighter-fleet-grounded/#more-54119

Those reponsible should receive the Distinguished Viscount Sir Douglas Haig of the Somme, award for Innovation and Strategic Brilliance, with chestnuts.

Unfair to Haig.....
 
Now that it's officially silly season in Ontario, I thought I'd add to the hilarity with the following ...

Senators Love Their Stealth Jet; Never Mind a New Design Flaw
link here http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/09/senators-love-stealth-jet/

BTW, it's not the hockey team.

"The problem reduces the lifespan of the F-35A and F-35B’s wing from 8,000 hours — roughly 25 years of operations — to just 1,200 hours, or around five years.

“This is not considered a serious issue,” F-35 spokesman Joseph DellaVedova said of the flimsy beam"

Of course not. I feel sooo much more better after reading that.

 
Kalatzi said:
Now that it's officially silly season in Ontario, I thought I'd add to the hilarity with the following ...

Senators Love Their Stealth Jet; Never Mind a New Design Flaw
link here http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/09/senators-love-stealth-jet/

BTW, it's not the hockey team.

"The problem reduces the lifespan of the F-35A and F-35B’s wing from 8,000 hours — roughly 25 years of operations — to just 1,200 hours, or around five years.

“This is not considered a serious issue,” F-35 spokesman Joseph DellaVedova said of the flimsy beam"

Of course not. I feel sooo much more better after reading that.

It is not serious because it doesn't impact the Testing phase.  This is why there is a test phase so issues like this are found out and fixed before mass production gears up. They will fix it not accept it.


Yes, some aircraft will require re-fit work.  Not really a big issue. 
 
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