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I believe that charisma and gravitas are actually opposing concepts suffolkowner.

Charisma is a magical appeal of the individual.  Gravitas is the sense that there is more to the individual than just charisma - that the individual has standing based on capabilities and also is a person of principle. The Charismatic is never bothered with niceties like rationalization.  Their's is a purely emotive attraction.
 
milnews.ca said:
As much as I'm not entirely wild about the Liberals/Trudeau Jr. to get the reins, I'd be surprised if the NDP's lead remains in place as we get closer to election day.  I stand to be corrected, but the NDP's never been Canada's "let's give them a try now that we're sick of the incumbents" party.

Two words - Bob Rae

You need only look at where that took us on a Provincial level to forecast the chaos that would ensue at the national level.
 
suffolkowner said:
Kirkhill, I agree Mulcair and Trudeau do not seem to get along. But how long can the Liberals and NDP continue to lose elections. Eventually you would think someone would smell their way to power much like Harper and McKay especially without the vote subsidy going forward

I think the Blue Liberals will get off the X faster and sit with the CPC (even using a fig leaf like "Government of national unity") since they are far closer philosophically than the LPC and NDP. If anything, the National Socialist BQ was far closer to the Social Democratic NDP than any other party, which I think goes a long way to explaining why the Orange Crush overwhelmed Quebec.

As you note, Tom Mulcair does not have to be the "junior" partner any more and the Young Dauphin's preening sense of self worth would prevent him from being a junior partner anyway. Looking at how the situation "out there" has deteriorated in Ukraine, the EUzone (preparing for a formal or informal Greek default), the Middle East and East Asia, I suspect a lot of people will be looking for a safe harbour rather than strike out in new directions. As Edward tells us, there are always "events" which could conspire to derail any plans, even the CPC's, but on balance I think the most likely "events" will probably go the other way for the electorate.
 
There is an interesting article in the National Post that includes a Forum Research poll that show yet another statistical dead heat, but one that differs from the polls David Akin has posted ...

   
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          ... the Liberals are ahead (32%) of the CPC (31%) and NDP (28%).

The article also says that 57% of Canadians would support a coalition ... I'm guessing that 95% of that 57% are thinking only of a LPC/NDP coalition but I would remind you that two coalitions are theoretically possible:


          ---- NDP ---------- Liberals ---------- Conservatives -----

There would be some members of each party who would balk, even revolt, at any coalition but the Liberals are better able to choose between a NDP/Liberal or Liberal/CPC coalition.

I could, happily, accept a CPC/Liberal coalition that put the Conservatives squarely in charge on fiscal issues and the Liberals in charge of Law and Order and social policy (but not social spending).
 
The "middle class" is the holy grail for the CPC, LPC and NDP: but what is the middle class. The Globe and Mail's Konrad Yakabuski tries to add some light to the heat in this article which is reproduced (with links ~ and the links matter) under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from that newspaper:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/there-is-no-middle-in-the-middle-class-debate/article24827509/
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There is no middle in the middle-class debate

KONRAD YAKABUSKI
The Globe and Mail

Published Monday, Jun. 08, 2015

It’s clear by now that, to the extent parties get to set the ballot question, the fall federal election will be fought over which one of them emerges as the best friend of the middle class.

But just which middle class, exactly? The one, described by pollster Frank Graves, that feels a “simmering sense of betrayal and despair” as a tiny minority of Canadians at the top seem to hog more and more income? Or the one, also borne out in polling, that identifies more with those above than below them on the income ladder and abhors the idea of taxes going up on anyone?

We are entering the “framing” phase of the federal election campaign as the parties trot out their plans to help the middle class. It is a fight largely based on two competing paradigms. As Keith Banting and John Myles explain in a new paper, there are the “inequality Cassandras” who favour more progressive taxes and the “inequality deniers” who prefer tax cuts. There is no middle in this middle-class debate.

The Cassandras emphasize stagnant middle-class incomes, and point out that more and more young Canadians feel they will end up less well off than their parents. The deniers point to data showing our middle class faring better than any other in the developed world, and inequality, though rising in the late 1990s, remaining stable after that, and even declining since the recession.

Absent from this debate is almost any mention of the poor. This is a historical anomaly, since political debates surrounding inequality had until quite recently always turned on the question of how to reduce poverty. It is also ironic since almost all of the increase in inequality that Canada experienced since the late 1990s has resulted from cuts to employment insurance and social assistance.

As Andrew Heisz and Brian Murphy of Statistics Canada note in a new study – which, like that of Mr. Banting and Mr. Myles, is part of a forthcoming volume on inequality from the Institute for Research on Public Policy – income taxes and transfers (such as child benefits, EI, welfare and old age security) decreased inequality by about 28 per cent in 2011. This is down from a one-third decrease in 1994. EI and welfare cuts explain the drop.

“It was during the period of 1994 through 2000, when [pre-tax] inequality remained high but total redistribution through taxes and transfers fell, that after-tax inequality rose,” Mr. Heisz and Mr. Murphy note. “Through the 2000s, at least up to 2008, [pre-tax] income inequality remained flat with only a small uptick in 2009 and 2010 that appears to have been offset completely by increased transfer redistribution.”

Still, no politician proposes restoring EI and provincial welfare programs to their pre-1995 levels of generosity. The recession of the early 1990s exposed the disincentive to work inherent in easy-to-access welfare programs as 14 per cent of Ontarians were living on social assistance in 1994, compared to about 7 per cent in the wake of the most recent recession. EI reforms in the late 1990s, meanwhile, saw more young people in Atlantic Canada and elsewhere switch from alternating between stints of seasonal employment and long months on EI into improving their education.

Mr. Heisz and Mr. Murphy also point out that Canada’s income tax system has become more, not less, progressive since the 1990s. Though tax rates dropped on all levels of income after 1995, “they fell more at the bottom than at the top.” This suggests the income tax system is doing more to reduce inequality now than two decades ago. But the biggest beneficiaries are lower-income Canadians, not middle-class ones.

As for the latter, many among them fear falling backward. The technological change that is threatening middle-class workers in manufacturing and lower-skilled jobs makes them a receptive audience for the inequality Cassandras. Indeed, the share of Canadians who identified as middle-class declined to 47 per cent in 2012 from 68 per cent a decade earlier, according to Mr. Graves’s polling. Liberals and New Democrats, who want higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations, respectively, are on to something.

“Nothing is guaranteed here,” counter Mr. Banting and Mr. Myles. “The emotional appeal of lower taxes and less spending might well trump less viscerally engaging arguments for progressive taxation … The institutionalization of anti-tax doctrine is well advanced in Canada and taps into other currents in public opinion: a general sense of risk aversion and a decline in trust in government that has been ongoing for decades.”

Let the framing begin.


I believe that the "lower taxes and less spending" argument is easier to make to the "middle class" (however it self defines) because we are, constantly, bombarded with stories of government programmes and projects that are over-budget, late and don't work as intended and, while tax cuts are often small, hardly noticeable to many, they are, at least not increases. We know we are spending too much and we suspect that our taxes are too high, because the money is wasted on failed programmes and projects.
 
And, back to polls, where ThreeHundredEight.com has its own numbers:

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Source: http://www.threehundredeight.com/2015/06/may-2015-federal-polling-averages.html?spref=tw

A bare majority in a 338 seat House of Commons is 169. ThreeHundredEight.com says the CPC can (but probably will not) form a majority but the LPC and NDP cannot.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
The "middle class" is the holy grail for the CPC, LPC and NDP: but what is the middle class. The Globe and Mail's Konrad Yakabuski tries to add some light to the heat in this article which is reproduced (with links ~ and the links matter) under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from that newspaper:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/there-is-no-middle-in-the-middle-class-debate/article24827509/

I believe that the "lower taxes and less spending" argument is easier to make to the "middle class" (however it self defines) because we are, constantly, bombarded with stories of government programmes and projects that are over-budget, late and don't work as intended and, while tax cuts are often small, hardly noticeable to many, they are, at least not increases. We know we are spending too much and we suspect that our taxes are too high, because the money is wasted on failed programmes and projects.

By streamlining admin, eliminating "failed" programs (i.e. ones which failed to acheive their goals) and bundling up duplicated programs (lately the emails I get for "Governmentr funding of your start up business now claim that there are over 500 different programs to apply to), I'm sure we can eliminate billions of government spending and not touch a single dollar of "entitlement" program for voters.

The winning formula might be to sell this streamlining and cost cutting as a way to reduce the tax and government fees burden on the average Canadian family of 4 from @ 44% to 35%. Offering the average middle class Canadian household an almost 10% increase in their take home pay? Where else would you be able to get that in any public or private sector job?
 
We spend less on programs than we do on tax expenditures.  How about we re-write the tax code to eliminate the fiscal gerry-mandering.  Cild's Sports Credit?  Really?  Income splitting in a very narrow band?  Really?  All of that is revenue that has been lost to the government.
 
PPCLI Guy said:
We spend less on programs than we do on tax expenditures.  How about we re-write the tax code to eliminate the fiscal gerry-mandering.  Cild's Sports Credit?  Really?  Income splitting in a very narrow band?  Really?  All of that is revenue that has been lost to the government.

To that I would add the GST cut. Economists across the political spectrum warned it would serve no real purpose other than to reduce government revenue. The idea that people in lower income brackets benefit more than the wealthy from a 2% decrease in a sales tax is ridiculous. It's the wealthy who make purchases large enough to see a real benefit. The poor benefit more from government programs than 2 cents per dollar back in their pocket. Then again, this government has never much for data, math or reality.
 
Kilo_302 said:
To that I would add the GST cut. Economists across the political spectrum warned it would serve no real purpose other than to reduce government revenue. The idea that people in lower income brackets benefit more than the wealthy from a 2% decrease in a sales tax is ridiculous. It's the wealthy who make purchases large enough to see a real benefit. The poor benefit more from government programs than 2 cents per dollar back in their pocket. Then again, this government has never much for data, math or reality.

Is there anything in this life that makes you happy?
 
George Wallace said:
Is there anything in this life that makes you happy?

The GST cut made me very unhappy too.  A cheap political decision masquerading as a serious and principled policy option.
 
Kilo_302 said:
To that I would add the GST cut. Economists across the political spectrum warned it would serve no real purpose other than to reduce government revenue. The idea that people in lower income brackets benefit more than the wealthy from a 2% decrease in a sales tax is ridiculous. It's the wealthy who make purchases large enough to see a real benefit. The poor benefit more from government programs than 2 cents per dollar back in their pocket. Then again, this government has never much for data, math or reality.

PPCLI Guy said:
The GST cut made me very unhappy too.  A cheap political decision masquerading as a serious and principled policy option.


I believe that reducing revenue was the "purpose" and the "policy option," how principled it was is a matter of opinion.

Many commentators have said, and I agree, that Prime Minister Harper wants to make Canada into a more conservative (liberal, by my definition) place and one of the ways that I think he is doing that is by making it harder and harder and harder to spend on new programmes. My sense of the prime minister is that he is a fiscal hawk but a political pragmatist: he knows he cannot make deep cuts to social programmes, even if, in his heart and mind, he knows they are necessary, and still get reelected. What he can do is hamstring future governments, of whatever stripe, by making it harder and harder to raise revenue. Is that principled? No ... not unless one is also a committed fiscal hawk. Even some fiscal hawks think it's a but unfair to tie the hands of future governments.
 
PPCLI Guy said:
The GST cut made me very unhappy too.  A cheap political decision masquerading as a serious and principled policy option.

I, personally, am in favour of a Flat Tax. 

Back to the GST.  Cuts to GST affect all.  Just that some spend more than others, and then naturally would benefit more from such a cut really is not an issue; unless you are of the "MAKE THE RICH PAY" ilk.  Higher income earners pay higher taxes as is.  The "MAKE THE RICH PAY" crowd are actually the ones who fail to see that this is not the way to go; the removal of incentives for people to use their initiative to earn more to better their lives.  That crowd would prefer to live on the dole.  Problem is: Who pays the taxes so that they can live on the dole?  Why those who pay the higher taxes of course, even with all their loopholes.  Welfare is killing us.
 
I am against cutting the GST tax (for now) as it is a very efficient tax. Consumption taxes are much more efficient than income taxes. They do not affect consumer behaviour and they are cheap to administer.

There are other taxes that should be reduced first.
 
PPCLI Guy said:
The GST cut made me very unhappy too.  A cheap political decision masquerading as a serious and principled policy option.

Anything that puts more money in my pocket I'm OK with.
 
A much more streamlined tax system is much better, more efficient at getting revenues and cheaper to administer, so I am in favour of that.

I do object to the convention of calling tax cuts "expenditures", it is not the government's money, it belongs to the people who earned it.

If anything, lets make the change from "revenue reduction" to "overspending" and put the onus where it really belongs.
 
It would have been far better in my mind to cut income taxes rather than the GST.  Its done now unless reversed by another government or the difference taken up by the provinces. Governments are going to have to find another source of revenue than income taxes as the number of people making enough to generate a net benefit to the treasury is under downward pressure.

The rich pay taxes to keep the wolves away from the doors in my opinion, they also benefit from the cheap labour supply from poor people. I'm all in favour of trying anything as nothing the government does can affect me, I wonder how many other people are truly willing to deal with the consequences.
 
suffolkowner said:
..... I'm all in favour of trying anything as nothing the government does can affect me, I wonder how many other people are truly willing to deal with the consequences.

Everything the Government does affects me.  We have put ourselves into a position that we need to be taxed.  Can the system we use to tax the population be improved?  Sure it can.  Will everyone be happy?  Never.  Perhaps a start to our tax reform could be with the removal of 'taxes on taxes', such as those seen in gasoline taxes.
 
George Wallace said:
Perhaps a start to our tax reform could be with the removal of 'taxes on taxes', such as those seen in gasoline taxes.

Or taxing a used car that was purchased in Canada and already was taxed on its full value. Pure money grab.
 
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